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Bush, Paulson outline powerful steps targeting troubled mortgage-related assets weighing down the finance industry. Plan could cost hundreds of billions.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/19/news/economy/paulson/index.htm?postversion=2008091911

This is on top of the 800 Billion already loaned to failing companies.

Want a reason the top 1% of our country should pay more in taxes?

They have made millions in the market and the trading of these securities and now we have to pick up the tab instead of them taking their loses.
 
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/19/news/economy/paulson/index.htm?postversion=2008091911

This is on top of the 800 Billion already loaned to failing companies.

Want a reason the top 1% of our country should pay more in taxes?

They have made millions in the market and the trading of these securities and now we have to pick up the tab instead of them taking their loses.

amen! Its disgusting.... the lehman ceo still has his mansion in CT , penthouse in NYC and vacation home on an island. ... drive a company into the ground...and still live the high life... how do these people live with themselves????
 
How does Congress live with itself?

It wasn't that long ago that President Bush moved to ban the controversial seller-funded down payment assistance programs. But now, congressional supporters have moved legislation to keep such assistance alive.

From the press release:

WASHINGTON D.C. - September 16 - A Bill that would save seller-funded downpayment assistance from being eliminated on October 1 passed the House Financial Services Committee today on a voice vote amidst strong bipartisan support. The Bill, The FHA Seller-Financed Downpayment Reform and Risk-Based Pricing Authorization Act of 2008, or H.R. 6694, is expected to move to the floor for a full vote in the coming days.

"We continue to believe that reinstating downpayment assistance (DPA) will ensure that working-class families that have nowhere else to turn for help will still be able to own a home," said Scott Syphax, president and CEO of the Nehemiah Corporation of America, the largest and oldest provider of downpayment assistance. "The strong bipartisan support demonstrated during today's hearing speaks to the growing sentiment that the original Housing Bill was wrong to ban DPA. As H.R. 6694 continues to move through the House and onto the Senate, we urge members of Congress, like so many others, to vote to 'amend - not end' these important programs and correct the mistake made through the initial ban."

The October 1 ban was written into law by President Bush when he signed H.R. 3221 Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 on July 30, 2008. H.R. 6694 was introduced in the House of Representatives by Congressmen Green, Miller and Shays and Congresswoman Waters on July 31, 2008. If enacted into law, it will allow downpayment assistance to continue indefinitely.

The housing stimulus bill (P.L. 110-289) enacted in July bans seller-financed downpayment programs as of October 1, 2008. Under these programs, builders and other house sellers contribute funds to an organization–AmeriDream, Inc. and Nehemiah Corporation of America are among the most prominent–and the organization, in turn, provides those funds to a prospective house buyer to use as the downpayment.

The programs have come under fire from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), the General Accountability Office (GAO) and HUD’s Inspector General's Office as a “circular funding” scheme. In fact, in 2006, the IRS stripped these organizations of their tax-exempt status, ruling that the sellers often merely raise the property's selling price in order to offer the funding, and therefore the program may not result in a net benefit to the buyer.

The Federal Housing Administration (FHA) twice attempted to ban these programs through regulatory action, noting that loans involving so-called “charity” downpayment assistance are three times as likely to go into foreclosure and have skyrocketed from only six percent of the agency’s originations in 2000 to approximately 30 percent as of 2004. As a result, the FHA now expects to lose $4.6 billion in 2008.

This circular funding scheme threatens the financial viability of the FHA and is a contributing factor to the explosion in foreclosures across the country. Nevertheless, a coalition of organizations, led primarily by Nehemiah, is seeking to have the ban overturned. Legislation has been introduced in the House (H.R. 6694) that would require the FHA to once again insure loans that involve seller-financed downpayments. Although the legislation would make some reforms to the program, it still perpetuates the failed policy of zero-down lending that helped create the current foreclosure crisis and it unnecessarily puts the FHA and taxpayer dollars at risk.

Somebody PLEASE stop the madness!!!!
 
How does Congress live with itself?

Somebody PLEASE stop the madness!!!!

Nice try but no one is buying it anymore.

The Great Deregulator cannot escape his past no matter how much like a democrat he sounds.

Maybe he should put out an ad extolling his experience with corrupt mortgage lenders.
 

Nice try but no one is buying it anymore.

The Great Deregulator cannot escape his past no matter how much like a democrat he sounds.

Maybe he should put out an ad extolling his experience with corrupt mortgage lenders.

This isn't a partisan issue. And it doesn't have anything to do with who one supports for President. Both sides of Congress are to blame.

A Bill that would save seller-funded downpayment assistance from being eliminated on October 1 passed the House Financial Services Committee today on a voice vote amidst strong bipartisan support.

Do you really want them to continue this crap?

The Federal Housing Administration (FHA) twice attempted to ban these programs through regulatory action, noting that loans involving so-called “charity” downpayment assistance are three times as likely to go into foreclosure and have skyrocketed from only six percent of the agency’s originations in 2000 to approximately 30 percent as of 2004. As a result, the FHA now expects to lose $4.6 billion in 2008.

What part of this information do you not understand? I'll be happy to explain it to you very slowly....

And this is only one example, of many...
 
amen! Its disgusting.... the lehman ceo still has his mansion in CT , penthouse in NYC and vacation home on an island. ... drive a company into the ground...and still live the high life... how do these people live with themselves????

Just disgusting. Tens of millions for these scumbag CEO's, and they get off scot-free so they can work for the Obama campaign!
 
Just disgusting. Tens of millions for these scumbag CEO's, and they get off scot-free so they can work for the Obama campaign!

This is a bi-partisan issue..... but thanks for your obama hate ... that is really going to help our country!!:thumbsup2
 
Want a reason to raise taxes on the top 1% wage earners??

How about a flat tax rate to eliminate the loopholes in the current tax code? And EVERYONE pays taxes on what they make regardless of how much they make!!
 
It's okay, because it's going to protect Wall Street, and really in the overall scheme of things, that's all that's important :rolleyes:

Now my question, since AIG will be 80% owned by taxpayers, they just happen to own a local ski resort (odd I think), anyhow, as a taxpayer, I think I deserve a decent, discounted rate.
 
Just disgusting. Tens of millions for these scumbag CEO's, and they get off scot-free so they can work for the Obama campaign!


Sen. John Edwards?!?! Is that you? :rotfl: I feel the resident righties new appreciation for populism to be quite disarming...

I agree with the majority. The problem is systematic, everyone is to blame, from CEOs to those who went over their heads to finance a home, and stronger regulations need to be put into place to avoid these situations from happening again.

Now on the plus side of the government bailout, hopefully everyone got their brokers on the horn this morning and got in on the action in the financial sector. There are some real long term buying opportunities out there...
 
Nice try but no one is buying it anymore.

The Great Deregulator cannot escape his past no matter how much like a democrat he sounds.

Maybe he should put out an ad extolling his experience with corrupt mortgage lenders.

“If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.”
– John McCain, May 26, 2005

Looks like someone wanted to do something.
 
Sen. John Edwards?!?! Is that you? :rotfl: I feel the resident righties new appreciation for populism to be quite disarming...

I agree with the majority. The problem is systematic, everyone is to blame, from CEOs to those who went over their heads to finance a home, and stronger regulations need to be put into place to avoid these situations from happening again.

The only people who can put stronger regulations into place is Congress. And yet, my post shows that they are not doing that - they are hell bent on continuing the exact same policies that got us into the mess in the first place. This legislation has "strong bi-partisan support". It's freakin' unbelievable!

The underlying problems always get swept under the rug. That's not going to change, no matter who is President, because it's not a partisan problem.
 
The only people who can put stronger regulations into place is Congress. And yet, my post shows that they are not doing that - they are hell bent on continuing the exact same policies that got us into the mess in the first place. This legislation has "strong bi-partisan support". It's freakin' unbelievable!

The underlying problems always get swept under the rug. That's not going to change, no matter who is President, because it's not a partisan problem.

Sure Congress needs to pull it together (and after what happened this week, they'll have to), but what I find most disappointing is that some around here seem more interested in finger pointing and playing political one upsmanship than they do reasonably discussing what could probably be best explained as our country going through the financial equivalent of 9/11.
 
This isn't a partisan issue. And it doesn't have anything to do with who one supports for President. Both sides of Congress are to blame.

I told you... no one if buying it.

Ok... you want to blame congress also... fine. I'll agree to blame the Republicans as a whole.

Last 10 years

Congress has been republican 8 of the 10 years (80%)
For 2 years its been a tie.
President has been republican 8 of the 10 years (80%)

The Republicans claim over and over again that deregulation helps business.

They are right.

Then the taxpayers have to pick up the bill.

If you are really claiming that down payment assistance is the reason the Government is dumping over 1 Trillion dollars into the markets then you are native.

It doesn’t matter what we say here.

All Obama has to do is show clips of all of McCain’s speeches where he claims not to believe in regulation.
 
Sure Congress needs to pull it together (and after what happened this week, they'll have to), but what I find most disappointing is that some around here seem more interested in finger pointing and playing political one upsmanship than they do reasonably discussing what could probably be best explained as our country going through the financial equivalent of 9/11.

It does help to know the reason for a problem before proposing a solution. And the problem was Congress forcing lending institutions to make riskier and riskier loans to people who would otherwise not qualify to prevent so-called discrimination in lending practices. Now those people who should not have qualified are defaulting on those loans (big shocker), and we, the taxpayers, are on the hook for it.

We can stick with the generic "Congress" if you would prefer, but its rather easy to look at which Senators and Representatives voted this corrupt system into place, and protected the corrupt system against reform attempts. After all, many of the same people are still there offering more solutions that, in all likelihood, will make matters worse!
 
If you are really claiming that down payment assistance is the reason the Government is dumping over 1 Trillion dollars into the markets then you are native.

http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=306370789279709

But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street's most revered institutions.

Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties.

The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership. And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but "predatory."

...

As soon as Clinton crony Franklin Delano Raines took the helm in 1999 at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank, looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud.

...

Obama and Democrats on the Hill think even more regulation and more interference in the market will solve the problem their policies helped cause. For now, unarmed by the historic record, conventional wisdom is buying into their blame-business-first rhetoric and bigger-government solutions.

...

Market failure? Hardly. Once again, this crisis has government's fingerprints all over it.
 
It does help to know the reason for a problem before proposing a solution. And the problem was Congress forcing lending institutions to make riskier and riskier loans to people who would otherwise not qualify to prevent so-called discrimination in lending practices. Now those people who should not have qualified are defaulting on those loans (big shocker), and we, the taxpayers, are on the hook for it.

We can stick with the generic "Congress" if you would prefer, but its rather easy to look at which Senators and Representatives voted this corrupt system into place, and protected the corrupt system against reform attempts. After all, many of the same people are still there offering more solutions that, in all likelihood, will make matters worse!

In find it interesting that out of all the different variables involved in our country's current economic situation, you seem to imply that only one or two actions, based on seller financed home sale regulation, created this entire situation. I mean, that is the crux of what you're saying here, isn't it?
 
Sure Congress needs to pull it together (and after what happened this week, they'll have to), but what I find most disappointing is that some around here seem more interested in finger pointing and playing political one upsmanship than they do reasonably discussing what could probably be best explained as our country going through the financial equivalent of 9/11.

Youir faith is touching, but I have no such expectation that they will pull together, even if and when they have to.

In fact, I think Congress has shown itself to be completely irrelevant, in managing this crisis. If fact, they aren't even attempting to manage it. They are merely bystanders. And the interesting thing is they don't seem to be missed. Do we hear anyone saying "We really need to get Congress involved - they'll know what to do?"
 
In find it interesting that out of all the different variables involved in our country's current economic situation, you seem to imply that only one or two actions, based on seller financed home sale regulation, created this entire situation. I mean, that is the crux of what you're saying here, isn't it?

LOG, it's certainly not the entire problem. There have been a multitude of other programs (all well intentioned) designed by Congress and non-profits for the purpose of increasing home ownership. That goal overrode prudent lending standards.

And yes, there's some outright fraud involved, but it's not of a magnitude that would, by itself, have caused the housing bubble.
 


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