Renting DVC Points Website

[CarolMN]

I had no idea a member could get a sticky on the RT board here. I also don't understand why DVC would allow this business.

The DIS website has many sponsors/advertisers. David's service is just one of the newer ones. Anyone who is interested in advertising here should contact one of the the webmasters.

AFAIK, DVC cannot legally stop members who want to rent their time to others. David's service assists individual members (for a fee) who have points they cannot use and for whatever reason, do not want to deal with renting reservations themselves. Again, as far as I know, there have been no complaints about David's service - and I've looked, LOL.

 

[delmar411]

I rented points from this site last Summer and had a wonderful experience. I have noticed some members frown upon the site for whatever reason, but I think he provides a great service.

We are very interested in DVC, and renting points was (is) the best way to try it out without having to buy in.

I found this site to be a secure and easy way to stay in the DVC accommodations. The user recommendations on the site were encouraging, the easy to use points calculator/calendar was great, the ability to use paypal offered security and every question I had was quickly answered regarding the reservation. I could also look up the reservation online or call for ADRs as I was immediately given the reservation #.

It was great to experience the "perks" of DVC before making the commitment to buy. We had such a fabulous time I have been researching DVC ever since We are now waiting to hear from Disney about a resale AKV contract (fingers crossed!)

I am excited to hopefully have our own points soon. But it's nice to know that if we are in a bind to use them at some point renting them would be an option!

Why didn't you just rent from someone here? For a lot less too. And with the exact same protections.

I think that type of service preys on people who don't realize they have zero protections when renting and that the service itself doesn't own those points and has no say over what happens with them. I'd think the service itself offers less protection than renting from a single person.

I'm not bashing the service or others like it as I know people are happy with it. But I wonder if they'd be as happy knowing they simply overpaid and didn't even know who they were really renting from?

While renting points can be time consuming, I'd rather know who was using my points, in my name and leaving me ultimately responsible for whatever damages they inflicted on the room.

But whatever makes people more comfortable is the direction they are going to go in. And it's not my place to say what's right for someone else, yk?

 

[RobDoc]

Why didn't you just rent from someone here? For a lot less too. And with the exact same protections.

I think that type of service preys on people who don't realize they have zero protections when renting and that the service itself doesn't own those points and has no say over what happens with them. I'd think the service itself offers less protection than renting from a single person.

...?

Actually, the service is able to offer more protection for renters than many who rent. DVCrequest.com accepts VISA and MasterCard in addition to PayPal (so the renter does have some recourse thru their credit card provider) and I believe the service also acts as an escrow agent offering further protection for the renter should any change be made in the reservation. The member renting thru DVCrequest has nothing to gain by cancelling a reservation since they have not received payment until the arrival date for the reservation and the renter would at least receive a full refund if the reservation was indeed cancelled. To my knowledge, that has never happened with reservations made thru DVCrequest.

Certainly renters may save some $$ by renting directly from a member thru the Rent/Trade Board and that is worth some consideration, but few members are able to offer the same level of protection as dvcrequest.com .

There are also members renting on our board who charge even more than dvcrequest.com so not all rentals direct from members will automatically be less costly - in addition to offering fewer safeguards. This is the reason we have suggested that renters get as much information about the process and about those renting as possible before sending any money. They also need to know what the same reservation would cost if made directly thru Disney.

 

[ercrbc]

Why didn't you just rent from someone here? For a lot less too. And with the exact same protections.

I think that type of service preys on people who don't realize they have zero protections when renting and that the service itself doesn't own those points and has no say over what happens with them. I'd think the service itself offers less protection than renting from a single person.

I'm not bashing the service or others like it as I know people are happy with it. But I wonder if they'd be as happy knowing they simply overpaid and didn't even know who they were really renting from?

While renting points can be time consuming, I'd rather know who was using my points, in my name and leaving me ultimately responsible for whatever damages they inflicted on the room.

But whatever makes people more comfortable is the direction they are going to go in. And it's not my place to say what's right for someone else, yk?

-I didn't rent from someone here because I had not become active on these boards at the time I chose to rent. I started my Disney planning on Mousesavers.com and learned there about about renting DVC points. A quick google search led me here and to David's. As I said earlier, there is an excellent points calculator/calendar that pulls up multiple resorts at a time. Also great descriptions of each resort and villa layouts. Very easy to decide what you want and what the price would be. A quick email gave me an immediate availability and quote.

I planned a Sept vacation in July. I was able to confirm my reservation online within 24 hrs, using paypal was convenient and safe. Could I have done this cheaper here? Sure, maybe. But at the time I knew nothing about DVC other than when/where I wanted to stay. I chose the AK value 1Br b/c of point value. Rack rate for our room was $400/nt, or $2,000 total for our stay. We paid $1,053 to rent. Still quite a savings and no headache trying to figure out the system in time to secure accommodations.

I knew exactly who the member was that we were renting from, and they knew who we were as well. David answered all of my planning questions (ADRs, meal plans, parking, ect). He had information on DVC as well and offered to refer a guide if we were interested in the tour.

I really don't understand what the big deal is? If you don't want to pay the extra $2-3/pt to rent from him then don't. Find the best deal here. But if getting the reservation quickly and securely is more important, then try DVCrequest.

 

[LIFERBABE]

Was this the same site that was "******starred" out all years on the DIS?

 

[delmar411]

-I didn't rent from someone here because I had not become active on these boards at the time I chose to rent. I started my Disney planning on Mousesavers.com and learned there about about renting DVC points. A quick google search led me here and to David's. As I said earlier, there is an excellent points calculator/calendar that pulls up multiple resorts at a time. Also great descriptions of each resort and villa layouts. Very easy to decide what you want and what the price would be. A quick email gave me an immediate availability and quote.

I planned a Sept vacation in July. I was able to confirm my reservation online within 24 hrs, using paypal was convenient and safe. Could I have done this cheaper here? Sure, maybe. But at the time I knew nothing about DVC other than when/where I wanted to stay. I chose the AK value 1Br b/c of point value. Rack rate for our room was $400/nt, or $2,000 total for our stay. We paid $1,053 to rent. Still quite a savings and no headache trying to figure out the system in time to secure accommodations.

I knew exactly who the member was that we were renting from, and they knew who we were as well. David answered all of my planning questions (ADRs, meal plans, parking, ect). He had information on DVC as well and offered to refer a guide if we were interested in the tour.

I really don't understand what the big deal is? If you don't want to pay the extra $2-3/pt to rent from him then don't. Find the best deal here. But if getting the reservation quickly and securely is more important, then try DVCrequest.

There is no big deal except all of a sudden members are not allowed to post looking for reservations but we have a new sponsor where members can do that. Comes across a little too coincidental for some. It doesn't effect me so I've kept my opinion to myself on this (well except for now I guess! ).

And I own DVC so I don't need to rent points. And I rented from here when I did. I rented distressed points at a bargain of the century price and I'm sure I'll never see another deal like that again so I doubt I'll be renting in the future. (although one can hope! )

I also provided those same 'services' (just basic considerations really) to those who are renting from me. Turn around time was less than 24hrs really. If you'll notice up in the top right hand area of all the DVC boards is the link to the same type of points calculator you found so helpful on that other website. Give it a try, you might find it just as useful.

I'm not trying to 'promote' the DIS rent/trade board anymore than I'm trying to put down this service. My point is simply that what he offers isn't something special IMO and certainly not worth paying a premium for.

And the *you* I was referring to was mostly the universal you. I just used your post as an example.

I have no dog in this fight or horse in this race (however that saying goes) so it's not exactly an 'argument' for me...just my opinion spewing forth.

I'm sure my opinion has ruffled a few feathers but there is only so much of this promoting I can take with my mouth shut. And like my FB status says..."......woke up on the very wrong side of the bed today. I apologize in advance since my filter seems to still be in bed."

So take everything I say with a grain of salt, yk? My opinion is worth what you paid for it.

(geez, apparently I use a lot of idioms when my verbal filter is off! )

 

[JohnnyB2]

As already mentioned previously in this thread, DVCrequest.com is a DIS advertiser, as denoted by the "Approved" logo in the avatar area and the banner ads seen on many of the boards.

I believe the "distressed" information is designed to try to assist DVC members with points that might otherwise soon go to waste, but there are also many other opportunities for members willing/able to make reservations up to 11 months ahead.

If I was to rent my points or were looking to rent I could see where Davids service would help.But with more people able to find and rent points(reservations)at a 11month mark as a DVC owner at their resort can do, will this also affect the certain hard to get reservation /say Christmas/F&W ?

 

[Scotch]

If I was to rent my points or were looking to rent I could see where Davids service would help.But with more people able to find and rent points(reservations)at a 11month mark as a DVC owner at their resort can do, will this also affect the certain hard to get reservation /say Christmas/F&W ?

It seems likely. Right now renters who wanted to book far away and get prime weeks are no longer allowed to just post "want to rent" requests. BUT, they may essentially do that on this company's rental thread and it is the first post they see on the board. The combination of these two changes means that if I were a casual renter and I don't feel up to chasing down a bunch of owners on other threads with various different date restrictions, points restrictions etc., I probably would post just once on a thread (or PM that "owner") where someone tells me he has virtually unlimited points and pay 2 or 3 cents more per point.

Seriously, since DIS doesn't charge posters a fee for posting on the rent/trade board, it is hard to really complain about this seeming unfair practice. I personally would not mind at all being charged a modest fee to post on the rent/trade board as if it were a classified ad section, provided that it would mean we have a more level playing field and everyone has to do their part to bump up their threads.

 

[disneynutz]

The DIS is a very valuable Disney resource that has helped our family numerous times and I need to say .

The DIS is not free. Pete and company spend a lot of money and time to keep it up and running. As the DIS has grown, so has their expenses, computer hardware and software isn't cheap.

The few ads that they have posted in the past, I am sure didn't cover their costs, that's one of the reasons why our family became a sponsor.

Adding David as a advertiser to the Rent/Trade board makes sense to me. It just adds another option for the DIS family to choose from.

If you appreciate the DIS and the hard work of Pete, the Webmasters, and Mods, show your appreciation by checking out the advertisers and ads here on the DIS.

Bill

 

[Chuck S]

There is no big deal except all of a sudden members are not allowed to post looking for reservations but we have a new sponsor where members can do that. Comes across a little too coincidental for some. It doesn't effect me so I've kept my opinion to myself on this (well except for now I guess! ).

Effective January 12th, 2010, posters are not allowed to post Reservation Wanted threads on the DIS. They may certainly post a reply to a Points for Rent thread with their dates, desired resort and room type. Just as they may reply to the advertisers thread, if they wish.

The rules are the same for everyone.

No one may post an existing Reservation for Rent outside the 30 day window, that has been the case for the last several years.

 

[dj~merlin]

we are new blt owners. this is confusing. is this person a dvc
owner? if not , how is he getting "unlimited points" when disney
limited a person to 4 associates total ?

& if so, does a disney rule/regulations has legal implications, only
to members?

 

[vicki_c]

we are new blt owners. this is confusing. is this person a dvc
owner? if not , how is he getting "unlimited points" when disney
limited a person to 4 associates total ?

& if so, does a disney rule/regulations has legal implications, only
to members?

The 4 associates rules is brand new.

 

[JeffR]

we are new blt owners. this is confusing. is this person a dvc
owner? if not , how is he getting "unlimited points" when disney
limited a person to 4 associates total ?

& if so, does a disney rule/regulations has legal implications, only
to members?

I don't really know whether he's an owner or not, but he's not actually renting the points. He's brokering them.

He requires a minimum of 75 points from a member and pays them $10/pt. He then rents them for $13/pt. It's actually a fair deal from our (the owners) point of view, because we still get what has traditionally been the market rate ($10/pt). He then charges a higher-than-market rate but can do so because many people are willing to pay a slightly higher rate for the (perceived) reduced risk.

And if he's on the ball, which I'm guessing he is, he can probably charge more than $13/pt for certain properties & dates while having to discount that rate for less desireable dates.

Nothing about this is bad for owners. Even those owners who bought only to rent can still get the market rate from this site and with a lot less work. This sounds like a win-win to me because rented points are a great marketing outlet for Disney. The more non-DVC members visist the properties, the better for sales.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...Nothing about this is bad for owners. Even those owners who bought only to rent can still get the market rate from this site and with a lot less work. This sounds like a win-win to me because rented points are a great marketing outlet for Disney. The more non-DVC members visist the properties, the better for sales.

Unless Disney perceives this as commercial renting and includes the owner of the points as well as the broker in the perception.

 

[JeffR]

Unless Disney perceives this as commercial renting and includes the owner of the points as well as the broker in the perception.

I thought about this but am unqualified to make an opinion.

But it might be argued that he's not doing anything different than DISBoards (except maybe making more money). And I'm pretty sure he's out of Ontario, which might provide some small degree of protection.

 

[dj~merlin]

well if he is not an owner [ i read he is unable to do transfers ],

& buying points to resell in order to make a profit then i don't need
disney to tell me he is a broker. what i am observing,"this" was never
mentioned by the guide who sold us the blt points. now i think
this is a wrongful practice, [ it like the bank commercial on tv,
where the guy offers 2 little girls..."a pony", & one of them is a
real pony...& the other is a toy. the man repsonds to the first
little girl question, " i didn't know you could have a real pony?"
and the man stated , "you didn't ask". then it goes on to
say....even children knows it is wrong to hold back information.

and to me, this isn't right, or the same as the owners selling points
they are not using for a year....rather he is making a "pool" that
can ties up mutiple rooms where there should have been available for
the others "real" owners. and especially the important "times" ,
like christmas ...where he can resell for more $. phooey!

i think i know how that little girl feels.

 

[Grumpygrandpa]

I think that David provides a valuable service. I still don't see how this hurts anyone. I have always been impressed with David's reputation. Though I don't post all that much I have lurked on this board and others for many years and I don't recall ever having heard a negative comment about David's service from either those who rent their points or renters.

I am curious about how the new associate rule has affected David. Maybe David is lurking on this thread and could enlighten us.

 

[vicki_c]

well if he is not an owner [ i read he is unable to do transfers ],

& buying points to resell in order to make a profit then i don't need
disney to tell me he is a broker. what i am observing,"this" was never
mentioned by the guide who sold us the blt points. now i think
this is a wrongful practice, [ it like the bank commercial on tv,
where the guy offers 2 little girls..."a pony", & one of them is a
real pony...& the other is a toy. the man repsonds to the first
little girl question, " i didn't know you could have a real pony?"
and the man stated , "you didn't ask". then it goes on to
say....even children knows it is wrong to hold back information.

and to me, this isn't right, or the same as the owners selling points
they are not using for a year....rather he is making a "pool" that
can ties up mutiple rooms where there should have been available for
the others "real" owners. and especially the important "times" ,
like christmas ...where he can resell for more $. phooey!

i think i know how that little girl feels.

Why would your guide mention it? They don't want people to know about renting points - they want people to buy contracts direct from them. Some owners like it, some owners do not. Until/unless Disney does something to put an end to the practice (which may be the intent of the 4 associates rule), it's going to continue - it's capitalism.

And as to the "real" owners thing -- the "real" owners are using their points, as within their rights. They're just using them to rent and make some money on vs. using them to stay in a room. It doesn't cause there to be any less availability -- there are a certain number of points available, no matter who is using them.

 

[Chuck S]

Why would your guide mention it? They don't want people to know about renting points - they want people to buy contracts direct from them. Some owners like it, some owners do not. Until/unless Disney does something to put an end to the practice (which may be the intent of the 4 associates rule), it's going to continue - it's capitalism.

And as to the "real" owners thing -- the "real" owners are using their points, as within their rights. They're just using them to rent and make some money on vs. using them to stay in a room. It doesn't cause there to be any less availability -- there are a certain number of points available, no matter who is using them.

I agree, a guide is not likely to mention anything about this...and really it isn't their place to do so.

My only concern about the site would be booking speculative reservations for rental at a later time. If the site does indeed only book reservations as they are requested, then I'm pretty neutral on it, as it would function much like our own board.

If the limit on associates is retroactive, then I can see it having an impact. If they grandfathered out existing associates, then it would only prohibit the site from doing business that way with new owners. But there are other alternative, like having the owner book the reservation, and the site acting as an escrow agent.

 

[dj~merlin]

is your point of view is determined by being a renter? {vivki}



while the other point, whether or not guides should tell
potential buyers what they are facing? we went over these
points for over 4 hours. this was repeated over & over. and
our guide made it clear, "we have no worries when making
a booking @ 11 mos..& if ever so...call him & he'll fixed it."
we are still waiting for the fix.


dear chuck. yes, i think your concern is why there were no rooms
available. [ several dvc officals were shocked about this situation
from what they told us ]

we are new @ this. but because we have a current investment,
we are trying to figure out the potential problems & will process
our concerns. [ not here , thru the dvc organization ] . however,
i think the input here is useful. one example, i think there is a
connection how beat up some of the rooms , & renters. most
likely, effecting our dues.