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[Wishing on a star]

phillybeth,

Of course we all are!!!

That, actually, is part of my point.

 

[phillybeth]

Of course we all are!!!

That, actually, is part of my point.

So why do you have a problem with Catholics believing that we are all sinful and fallible?

Edited to add:

Ok, I think I know what you are trying to get at.
Priests are not god and nobody thinks they are. They are infallible humans like the rest of us. They do not perform the sacraments- god does through them. They do not decide who is worthy of salvation- god does.

 

[Wishing on a star]

That is not what I have a problem with.

 

[phillybeth]

That is not what I have a problem with.

So do you also have problems with ministers or anyone who holds a position of authority in a church?

 

[Wishing on a star]

Wow, we are not even on the same plane here....

Not to mention way off topic...

I am not going to answer.

 

[phillybeth]

Wow, we are not even on the same plane here....

Not to mention way off topic...

I am not going to answer.

Just come right out and SAY it. Why do you have a problem turning to a sinful and fallible person who is in a position of authority in a church? Not all priests are pedophiles you know- not even 1% of them are.

 

[POB14]

Thank you for our KJV fixture for the day.

You're quite welcome, happy to help.

And what was the context that Matthew 7 was written in, do you know? Who it was being said to, said about, and the purpose of it?

Most likely it was aimed at (Syrian) Jews, to show that Jesus was the Messiah. Secondarily to validate the mission to the Gentiles.

 

[RickinNYC]

I totally agree with your concerns and questions!

This is just one of the issues where the Roman Catholic Church is way off base and completely contradictory to the teachings of Christ.

Christ saves...
not Mary
not the 'Church'
not 'works' or sacraments

Wow, as a Catholic, that's pretty darn condescending comment if ever I've seen one.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Another day, another victim.

Exactly.

 

[phillybeth]

Wow, as a Catholic, that's pretty darn condescending comment if ever I've seen one.

I agree Rick.

 

[RickinNYC]

Absolutely right. The term used to describe what the Catholic church holds to about communion actually "becoming" the body and blood of Jesus is called transsubstantiation. While most Christian churches believe communion to be a "symbol" of His body and blood, Catholics believe that it "actually" becomes His body and blood. Not sure where they derive that thinking from, though, so can't speak to that.

And there was no such term as "Catholic" in Jesus' day, so He obviously wouldn't have excluded a non-Catholic from communion.

I would strongly suggest that you do find out where Catholics derive that thinking from before you start speaking about it with disdain. And I also suggest you look up the word "faith" in Webster's. It doesn't only apply to one Christian, but to all.

ETA: Most everyone else on this particular thread is being rather welcoming and open Hokie. Yet you are pushing, pushing, pushing. Why?

 

[manchurianbrownbear]

I’m a Baptist pastor’s kid and I grew up “afraid of” Catholics! I’m still a member of a Baptist church, but throughout my life I’ve been encouraged to find that most of my Catholic friends believe most of the same things that I do.

I believe that some of the most important verses in the Bible are John 14:6 (no one comes to the Father except through Me) and Ephesians 2:8-9 (you’re saved by faith, not works, so no one can boast!). I’m confident that anyone who believes those verses will spend eternity in heaven. I’m not nearly as concerned that people agree with me on other subjects such as communion or baptism.

Discussing our differences can be interesting, and it always challenges me to examine my beliefs, but when discussions degenerate into arguments it’s really sad!

 

[6_Time_Momma]

I honestly tell myself each time one of these threads come up the misinformation that exists about the Catholic Church wouldn't continue to surprise me, but it does.

I continue to be surprised at the misinterpretations/misinformation that seems to abound about the Catholic Church.

 

[swilphil]

Wow, as a Catholic, that's pretty darn condescending comment if ever I've seen one.

I'm not Catholic, but I'd have to agree with you. To say the Catholic church is way off base is, well, way off base.

 

[Toby'sFriend]

To say the Catholic church is way off base is, well, way off base.

Well, maybe it could be termed in a more accepting way --
but honestly most Protestant denominations exist because many people do in fact disagree with major points of the Catholic doctrine.

Religion is a very difficult issue to discuss without ******* because it is a such personal issue. It is very hard to read "I think your Church does it wrong" and not want to snap back.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Well, maybe it could be termed in a more accepting way --
but honestly most Protestant denominations exist because many people do in fact disagree with major points of the Catholic doctrine.

Religion is a very difficult issue to discuss without ******* because it is a such personal issue. It is very hard to read "I think your Church does it wrong" and not want to snap back.

I don't think to say it's way off base offended me as much as saying it was contradictory to the teachings of Christ.

 

[Toby'sFriend]

But the Reformation occured exactly BECAUSE of issues with the Catholic church that many did feel were contridictory to the message of Christ.

I had to Google them to look them up because it has been many years since my Church history class. But the "Message" of Luther's 95 Theses was:

The 4 Pillars of the Reformation:
Christ Alone!
The Bible Alone!
Faith Alone!
Grace Alone!

and honestly I'm not surprised that somebody of the Catholic faith would find belief in those Pillars offensive. Hundreds of years of fighting and wars over religious differences didn't occur over disagreement on what hymns should be sung on Sunday -- they are major differences concerning interpretations of The Bible.

 

[Puffy2]

Let's face it. This thread was started to pick a fight. I could easily do the same thing with a number of Protestant religions, but tact and Southern manners require that I resist that temptation.

Persoanlly, I think this thread should be locked.

 

[helenabear]

But the Reformation occured exactly BECAUSE of issues with the Catholic church that many did feel were contridictory to the message of Christ.

I had to Google them to look them up because it has been many years since my Church history class. But the "Message" of Luther's 95 Theses was:

The 4 Pillars of the Reformation:
Christ Alone!
The Bible Alone!
Faith Alone!
Grace Alone!

and honestly I'm not surprised that somebody of the Catholic faith would find belief in those Pillars offensive. Hundreds of years of fighting and wars over religious differences didn't occur over disagreement on what hymns should be sung on Sunday -- they are major differences concerning interpretations of The Bible.

Let it go... a lot of the issues that happened were due to some really way off things that were happening in the church at the time.

People didn't like a lot of what was going on... some of the splits were caused by things that do NOT get taught now, and in all honesty shouldn't have been taught/practiced/thought of then!!

And don't forget the ever famous split due to divorce!

With that said... unless you actually KNOW about the Catholic Church, and truly understand what all goes on now and what we believe, I wouldn't start making statements as broad as some that have gone on.

I'm friends with people of many different denominations. Even *gasp* Baptists (yes, that's a joke) and truthfully, after talking, we have found we are much more alike than anyone would want to believe. The interesting thing is, what they thought we believed isn't what we actually do.

And FWIW, I do not find those offensive! I only find it offensive when others say certain things about the Catholic faith that aren't true!

I hope I have the restraint from responding to this thread again.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

But the Reformation occured exactly BECAUSE of issues with the Catholic church that many did feel were contridictory to the message of Christ.

I had to Google them to look them up because it has been many years since my Church history class. But the "Message" of Luther's 95 Theses was:

The 4 Pillars of the Reformation:
Christ Alone!
The Bible Alone!
Faith Alone!
Grace Alone!

and honestly I'm not surprised that somebody of the Catholic faith would find belief in those Pillars offensive. Hundreds of years of fighting and wars over religious differences didn't occur over disagreement on what hymns should be sung on Sunday -- they are major differences concerning interpretations of The Bible.

I don't find those pillars offensive. Heck, the Catholic Church believes in 3 of them.
I never studied Martin Luther to see what exactly his beefs were, but the ones listed either aren't Church teachings or if they are Church teachings, then they're not contradictory to Christ's teachings.