Religious Discussion Welcome Thread

[6_Time_Momma]

But, the deeper question, is how can their be unity between Christian's when there are denomonations that have practices and requirements that are contrary to Christ directives???

I know that it may be hard for some Catholics to hear. But, the fact is that many protestants do feel this way about the Catholic Church. Which is, in fact, the whole Catholic/Protestant division.

sigh... Still on different planes here.

But, again, I would have to ask what do Catholics do that is allegedly contrary to Christ's directives? People are seeing things that aren't there.

 

[cardaway]

You have a strange sense of what bashing is, IMO.

Just basing it off the defintions as given in other posts labeling things as bashing, including yours.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Just basing it off the defintions as given in other posts labeling things as bashing, including yours.

By all means share how that fits one of my so called definitions of bashing.

 

[phillybeth]

But, the deeper question, is how can their be unity between Christian's when there are denomonations that have practices and requirements that are contrary to Christ directives???

We feel that way about you.
But please, go into specifics if you like. I'm sure many of us would like the chance to defend our faith.

 

[Wishing on a star]

I would venture to say that from our perspective, many Catholic's are not seeing things that are there.

If I were to start giving specific examples, it would just be a war of rhetoric. And, would benefit nobody. Every example that I would give would either be written-off, countered with justification, or taken as 'Catholic Bashing'. It is a no-win situation on both sides.

To keep this thread on-topic. Bottom line is, the OP was troubled by his experience. Other than rhetoric used as justification, there has been no answer as to why this is the way it is? Only division and exclusion in the name of unity!!!!

What would be the will of Christ?

 

[6_Time_Momma]

I would venture to say that from our perspective, many Catholic's are not seeing things that are there.

If I were to start giving specific examples, it would just be a war of rhetoric. And, would benefit nobody. Every example that I would give would either be written-off, countered with justification, or taken as 'Catholic Bashing'. It is a no-win situation on both sides.

To keep this thread on-topic. Bottom line is, the OP was troubled by his experience. Other than rhetoric used as justification, there has been no answer as to why this is the way it is? Only division and exclusion in the name of unity!!!!

What would be the will of Christ?

Well, I guess that's kind of hard to answer because you say we are doing things against Christ's directives, but can't share what those things are. If you did, and we could correct you, I suspect that would begin to lessen the divide.

 

[phillybeth]

I would venture to say that from our perspective, many Catholic's are not seeing things that are there.

Speaking of rhetoric...

If you don't have anything to add other than vague insults, you might feel more at home in the BAC thread. However, if you would like to learn about Catholism and early Christianity and the roots of your own Christian religion, there are people here willing to discuss it with you.

 

[Wishing on a star]

and we could correct you.....

So, you could 'correct me'...
ROFLBO!!!!!! LOL!!!!!

 

[mickeyfan2]

Wow, as a Catholic, that's pretty darn condescending comment if ever I've seen one.

Rick,
I agree too. I am prowd to be Catholic. It teaches us kindness and compassion for others.

 

[phillybeth]

So, you could 'correct me'...
ROFLBO!!!!!! LOL!!!!!

Correct your erroneous ideas of what Catholics believe, is what Kristy had in mind I am sure.
BTW, you are not demonstrating a very Christ-like attitude.

 

[cardaway]

So, you could 'correct me'...

But it's not bashing. Remember that.

 

[Rella Bella]

And, you don't see a huge irony here in regards to 'unity'? Would Christ practice or condone these policies of division and exclusion? Sorry, but once again, I do not begin to expect a satisfied Catholic to see any of these points. It is like talking to a brick wall. We are on a whole different plane.

Funny... I don't feel like a brick wall.
I don't see it as division and exclusion, just as honoring the fact that we don't 'see' the bread & wine the same way. We do have different world views on this issue, but can't we just agree to disagree. We have so much in common!

But, the deeper question, is how can their be unity between Christian's when there are denomonations that have practices and requirements that are contrary to Christ directives??? I know that it may be hard for some Catholics to hear. But, the fact is that many protestants do feel this way about the Catholic Church. Which is, in fact, the whole Catholic/Protestant division. sigh... Still on different planes here.

As I said before regrettably there is not unity... EVERY denomination, all the Protestant faiths included, have different interrpretations of Christ's directives. It's not peculiar to the Catholic Church. When will we all understand it the same?? Probably not until we stand before Him.
But it's not that we are trying to disconnect... it's that, to each of us, what we believe is SO important. If it wasn't important, it wouldn't matter and we could all agree that it's no big deal... but I don't want to live that way, do you?

What would be the will of Christ?

He's already made that clear, He wants us all to be "one". But how? If Catholics would say "from now on everyone can recieve Eucharist" would the Baptist counter with "okay, in the spirit of compromise we'll start practicing infant baptism"? The issues involved with true agreement are deep and very personal. We can't give up what we believe makes our faith 'our faith'. Maybe we can try to understand the ways we all believe differently and that it's not necessary to 'convince' each other of the 'truth' in order to have peace.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

So, you could 'correct me'...
ROFLBO!!!!!! LOL!!!!!

I don't get it. Correct as in correct your misunderstanding about the Catholic faith. Why is that so funny?

 

[6_Time_Momma]

But it's not bashing. Remember that.

I am so lost. How on earth is correcting wrong ideas about Catholic faith, bashing someone?? Anyone?

 

[Wishing on a star]

Well, I was indeed cracking up here!!!! I am SO glad that I hadn't just taken a big drink!!! But, it is just classic, as well as the height of disrespect, to automatically assume that anyone on this side of the Protestant/Catholic divide is uninformed and needs 'correction'. Too funny!!!!

Instead of furthering this debate, letting my self become offended, and to post countering comments. I just posted my initial gut reaction.

Thanks for the big laugh for the day!!! I needed that!!!

__________________________________________________________

PS: I really have to sign off now. As mentioned, I am not going to give examples and get into a war of rhetoric here. I really do not have the time and energy to get out my Bible, and to sit and type and document and substantiate every word. And, it would indeed be futile. Just continuing argument.

 

[6_Time_Momma]

Well, I was indeed cracking up here!!!! I am SO glad that I hadn't just taken a big drink!!! But, it is just classic, as well as the height of disrespect, to automatically assume that anyone on this side of the Protestant/Catholic divide is uninformed and needs 'correction'. Too funny!!!!

Instead of furthering this debate, letting my self become offended, and to post countering comments. I just posted my initial gut reaction.

Thanks for the big laugh for the day!!! I needed that!!!

__________________________________________________________

PS: I really have to sign off now. As mentioned, I am not going to give examples and get into a war of rhetoric here. I really do not have the time and energy to get out my Bible, and to sit and type and document and substantiate every word. And, it would indeed be futile. Just continuing argument.

Ummm.....okay, I still don't get what you're cracking up about tho. Have a nice day. Incidentally, I never said anyone on the Protestant side of the..debate...was uninformed, so I don't know how you got that. Whatever.

And, if you feel that YOU weren't in any way disrespectful, then I truly am at a loss here.

 

[phillybeth]

Well, I was indeed cracking up here!!!! I am SO glad that I hadn't just taken a big drink!!! But, it is just classic, as well as the height of disrespect, to automatically assume that anyone on this side of the Protestant/Catholic divide is uninformed and needs 'correction'. Too funny!!!!

Instead of furthering this debate, letting my self become offended, and to post countering comments. I just posted my initial gut reaction.

Thanks for the big laugh for the day!!! I needed that!!!

__________________________________________________________

PS: I really have to sign off now. As mentioned, I am not going to give examples and get into a war of rhetoric here. I really do not have the time and energy to get out my Bible, and to sit and type and document and substantiate every word. And, it would indeed be futile. Just continuing argument.

Pot stir much in your day job?

 

[disneymom3]

I would venture to say that from our perspective, many Catholic's are not seeing things that are there.

If I were to start giving specific examples, it would just be a war of rhetoric. And, would benefit nobody. Every example that I would give would either be written-off, countered with justification, or taken as 'Catholic Bashing'. It is a no-win situation on both sides.

To keep this thread on-topic. Bottom line is, the OP was troubled by his experience. Other than rhetoric used as justification, there has been no answer as to why this is the way it is? Only division and exclusion in the name of unity!!!!

What would be the will of Christ?

So people explain why they believe something in one way and you call it justification rhetoric. Way to be open to dialogue. What the heck is your problem? You are acting really angry when it has been explained that the reason is that people who don't BELIEVE in transubstantiation are the ones whe are asked not to take part. Why would it offend you to not be asked to take part in something you don't believe in anyway. Be happy with your faith, that is spectacular, but why condemn others who believe somewhat differently. I just don't get your attitude.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Who have I condemned?

Who have I been disrepectful to?

Because I happen to have a different opinion and viewpoint than some Catholics here, I am an uninformed, condemning, disrespectul, pot-stirrer, who needs flaming and 'correction'.

I have never said any of the above things about Catholics. And, yet. I am regarded as the one who is disrespectful?

Exactly why I refuse to go any further into my views. Which are basicly the same views as many other Protestants and 'recovering Catholics'.

 

[Wishing on a star]

As my final post here...

Christ said to share in communion, sharing bread and wine, in remembrance... to remember the sacrifice that he has paid for us.

My question, which is unanswered, still stands... Just where in the Bible does Christ state his will that there should be an ordained reverend/pastor/minister of a church organization to have the power to actually call for the transformation of the wafers and juice and to administer it to only those who are deemed acceptable?