Reclining my seat in First Class......

[ratmaster]

Totally wrong. This is a threat and a punishment and you do not have "that" right.


OT: (Ph.D. in theology needed) I regret that God did not create each one of us so that the average airline seat could accommodate both him and his laptop but if you were one of the damned (as opposed to one of the elect) you should reserve space for your laptop. (In practically all cases the laptop can fly in the overhead bin with no special action needed at the time of booking. Also, sometimes you can resume using your laptop by reclining yourself.)


Airplane seats curl forward at the top, so if my seat is not reclined then I fall forward into my own lap.

You obviously did not read my post. As I said, I would politely ask you not to do so if it were bothering me. If you felt your "right" to recline your seat trumped the idea of being decent to another human being, all bets are off. And I do have that "right". I am a very thoughtful person to those that deserve my thoughts.

Forget about the laptop. It sometimes hard to read a book or a newspaper. Is that asking too much?

Listen, we're not talking about people who recline the seat a couple of inches so they don't fall forward or so their neck doesn't hurt. And we're not talking about a night flight where people are expecting others to do this to sleep. We're talking about inconsiderate people who try to turn an airline seat into a la-z-boy when it's completely uncalled for.

Please stop trying to justify your selfishness by calling it a "right".

 

[uva185]

Listen, we're not talking about people who recline the seat a couple of inches so they don't fall forward or so their neck doesn't hurt. And we're not talking about a night flight where people are expecting others to do this to sleep. We're talking about inconsiderate people who try to turn an airline seat into a la-z-boy when it's completely uncalled for.

Please stop trying to justify your selfishness by calling it a "right".

I would love to know what coach class you are flying. I've yet to even fly a domestic first class that could be considered la-z-boy-esque.

 

[crashbb]

I would love to know what coach class you are flying. I've yet to even fly a domestic first class that could be considered la-z-boy-esque.

You seem to be under the misguided impression that "DIS-world" flights operate in the same universe that "real-world" flights travel in.

Many of us have learned long ago, that we must travel in a parallel universe to many posters.

 

[ratmaster]

I would love to know what coach class you are flying. I've yet to even fly a domestic first class that could be considered la-z-boy-esque.

That was less about comparing the actual seats to la-z-boys and more about those who think they are sitting in one. In other words, those who feel it's their "right" to fully recline a seat in someone's face, chest or knees. And about those, as previously mentioned, who will continue to push the seat back as far as it will go even though someone's knees are almost poking through the seatback.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I would love to know what coach class you are flying. I've yet to even fly a domestic first class that could be considered la-z-boy-esque.

Ooh! Ooh! I know this one!

Ahem.

Song.

It was a do-it-yourself deal. You plop down in the seat and lean back HARD at the same time. You break the seatback. You therefore create your own version of a la-z-boy recliner, the passenger seated behind you be danged!

Yes, it happened once - not to me, I was perfectly happy with the seat that didn't recline when the Gate Agent was able to give me the whole row due to a leg injury. I heard all about it from the passenger originally seated next to him, who moved into 'my' row for comfort. We both felt badly for the passenger behind the newly-created recliner... not badly enough to offer our third seat, but...

At any rate, the inconsiderate passenger never said a word to a Flight Attendant about the seat damage - not even when exiting the plane! Yes, I do know - I informed them.

 

[uva185]

Listen, we're not talking about people who recline the seat a couple of inches so they don't fall forward or so their neck doesn't hurt. And we're not talking about a night flight where people are expecting others to do this to sleep. We're talking about inconsiderate people who try to turn an airline seat into a la-z-boy when it's completely uncalled for.

That was less about comparing the actual seats to la-z-boys and more about those who think they are sitting in one. In other words, those who feel it's their "right" to fully recline a seat in someone's face, chest or knees. And about those, as previously mentioned, who will continue to push the seat back as far as it will go even though someone's knees are almost poking through the seatback.

Right, but in my experience coach seats on domestic planes only recline a few inches anyways. So what are you really complaining about??

Air travel is not going to be comfortable for everyone. Passengers should be able to recline! However they should do so slowly so not to surprise / crush the person behind them.

If you stretch out and put your feet all the way under the seat in front of you it should keep you knees lower position so the angle of the recline would have less of an impact on your knees.

 

[funcinderella]

Right, but in my experience coach seats on domestic planes only recline a few inches anyways. So what are you really complaining about??

Air travel is not going to be comfortable for everyone. Passengers should be able to recline! However they should do so slowly so not to surprise / crush the person behind them.

If you stretch out and put your feet all the way under the seat in front of you it should keep you knees lower position so the angle of the recline would have less of an impact on your knees.

AGreed, I'm 5' 8" (granted, not 6 feet) and can do this.

I used to get annoyed when people reclined their seat, then I realized how much more comfortable it is. So I do usually do it, if the person behind me is not too tall. If they are tall, I don't, but then I am uncomfortable the whole way. I can't see how people think it is comfortabe in any way sitting completely upright. It kills your neck...

 

[snowbunny]

The fact that anyone consider reclining a "right" is beyond me. Nowhere on your ticket agreement does it state that you have that right.

Seriously? If the seat reclines 6 inches, it's my right to use that feature once we pass 10,000 feet whether the ticket says so or not, unless or until the crew says to button up for landing or turbulence.

That being said if someone is squished up behind me I'll try not to, or only a little bit. As to the person who said reclining in coach is like having your own personal LayZboy What airline do you fly?? Because that is going to be my new favorite.

 

[ratmaster]

Seriously? If the seat reclines 6 inches, it's my right to use that feature once we pass 10,000 feet whether the ticket says so or not, unless or until the crew says to button up for landing or turbulence.

That being said if someone is squished up behind me I'll try not to, or only a little bit. As to the person who said reclining in coach is like having your own personal LayZboy What airline do you fly?? Because that is going to be my new favorite.

Either people don't or can't read. Or they just choose to read what they like. I was not comparing an airline seat to a la z boy. What I said is that some people treat them as such by putting them back as far as possible and continuing to push back no matter whose knees, drink, computer, book or whatever they are pushing against. Again, courtesy goes a long way. As far as it being a right, we're talking about people hiding behind the term "right" as an excuse to be inconsiderate. I have lots of rights that I don't exercise out of consideration for other travelers. I have the right bring the worst smelling food on the flight and eat it the entire time. I have the right to talk to my travel companion the entire overnight flight. I have the right to get up out of my window seat every 5 minutes if I choose...especially after eating that smelly food. I have the right to blast the cold air from the vent above no matter how cold my seatmates are. I have the right to leave my reading light on while you are trying to sleep..even when I'm not reading. All of these things I don't do out of consideration to others on the plane. When I recline my seat, I always ask the person behind if they mind. Only a couple of times, the person said that they would rather I didn't so I didn't. I'm glad you claim you're considerate of others. Too many are not. As someone who flies round trip at least every other week, I see it a lot.

 

[seashoreCM]

Either people don't or can't read. Or they just choose to read what they like. I was not comparing an airline seat to a la z boy. What I said is that some people treat them as such by putting them back as far as possible and continuing to push back no matter whose knees, drink, computer, book or whatever they are pushing against. Again, courtesy goes a long way. As far as it being a right, we're talking about people hiding behind the term "right" as an excuse to be inconsiderate. I have lots of rights that I don't exercise out of consideration for other travelers. I have the right bring the worst smelling food on the flight and eat it the entire time. I have the right to talk to my travel companion the entire overnight flight. I have the right to get up out of my window seat every 5 minutes if I choose...especially after eating that smelly food. I have the right to blast the cold air from the vent above no matter how cold my seatmates are. I have the right to leave my reading light on while you are trying to sleep..even when I'm not reading. All of these things I don't do out of consideration to others on the plane. When I recline my seat, I always ask the person behind if they mind. Only a couple of times, the person said that they would rather I didn't so I didn't. I'm glad you claim you're considerate of others. Too many are not. As someone who flies round trip at least every other week, I see it a lot.

Also realize that there is a difference between exercising a right just because you say it is your right (or maybe it is for all I know) versus doing what need to do. So you turn off the light when you are done using it. You don't get out of your seat unless you have something to do out there or something to get.

What if you offer to switch seats with the person whom you feel is bothering you?

 

[snowbunny]

What I said is that some people treat them as such by putting them back as far as possible and continuing to push back no matter whose knees, drink, computer, book or whatever they are pushing against. Again, courtesy goes a long way.

Either some people don't or can't read.

What I said was: "That being said if someone is squished up behind me I'll try not to, or only a little bit."

 

[goofy4tink]

Play nicely kids!!!

 

[dudspizza]

Play nicely kids!!!

Sheesh.... I can't believe these people have taken my perfectly good thread and turned it into being mean to each other on the playground......... time outs may be in order!

 

[gritzel4]

I usually don't recline however, on my last flight there was a mother with a lap baby behind me and her husband was across the aisle relaxing while the baby was bouncing on the tray table - making my seat into a playground. I reclined my seat to the fullest and dad had to take the baby from mom because there wasn't enough room for baby to play. The mother thanked me for giving her 2 hours of relaxation

 

[ratmaster]

Either some people don't or can't read.

What I said was: "That being said if someone is squished up behind me I'll try not to, or only a little bit."

No...I read....and I read your post carefully...I acknowledged people that are considerate when reclining their seats. I've continuously pointed out that what I'm talking about are those that have no regard for others. Call it a right. Call it entitlement. Call it whatever you'd like. There's no reason for anyone to act like a selfish animal on an airplane. I've been in the travel industry for 25 years. I fly at least every other week. I see it all them time and it leaves me shaking my head every time.

 

[ExPirateShopGirl]

I've had to start seeing a chiropractor from all the head shaking I've done over the years while in aiports or onboard aircraft. I was hitching a ride on another airline DTW to SAN on an A320 and the gentleman (loosely used term, 30-something gen-Xer with entitlement) in A seat in front of me nearly broke the seatback while trying to get it to recline. Before take off he realized I had the ABC row to myself and asked me to switch seats with him, even though there was no one in the B seat and his brother was in the C seat. I declined. He then demanded to know how much I'd paid for my seat as he and his brother paid $1200 for theirs purchased at the last minute to visit their ill father. Again, I declined to let them know I was flying non-rev. I then mentioned to the 20-something gal in the F seat of my same row that she was welcome to the C seat as D and E were occupied by a retiree and his father. This way we could all spread out.

Once we were airborne the gentlemen in front of me tried to recline and discovered the seat would not. At this point he became angry and again asked me to trade. Right, like I would trade a functioning seat for a non-functioning seat. He rather violently tried to slam the seat back. How obnoxious can a person be?

No...I read....and I read your post carefully...I acknowledged people that are considerate when reclining their seats. I've continuously pointed out that what I'm talking about are those that have no regard for others. Call it a right. Call it entitlement. Call it whatever you'd like. There's no reason for anyone to act like a selfish animal on an airplane. I've been in the travel industry for 25 years. I fly at least every other week. I see it all them time and it leaves me shaking my head every time.

 

[prncess674]

the gentleman (loosely used term, 30-something gen-Xer with entitlement)

Please don't assume that all of gen-X is rude. I could make gross generalizations about crotchety old battle axes from the baby boomer generation, but alas I won't. Realize that Gen-X is the generation that will be funding the medicare that will support the (your) baby boomer generation.

I was flying non-rev.

As a non-rev you are supposed to blend in and not bring attention to the fact that you are flying free. I am sure your airline is so proud of your attitude. You were on a free ticket and wouldn't trade a non-functioning seat with a paid customer.

How obnoxious can a person be?

YOUR entitled (non-rev) attitude is giving us a pretty good idea.

 

[seashoreCM]

Please don't assume that all of gen-X is rude. I could make gross generalizations about crotchety old battle axes from the baby boomer generation.

There are baby boomers who were just as rude when they were that age and passed it along to their offspring.

As a non-rev you are supposed to blend in and not bring attention to the fact that you are flying free. I am sure your airline is so proud of your attitude.

Must be a dilemma, pushing the call button and then deciding to hide your employee status while the on duty crew takes care of the situation versus rising to the occasion and pitching in to help take care of the situation.

 

[prncess674]

There are baby boomers who were just as rude when they were that age and passed it along to their offspring.

Thankfully, I was brought up in a proper southern home with good southern manners. Also working in consulting I have learned to be EXTREMELY respectful of those who ARE PAYING MY BILLS! Never bite the hand that feeds you. I am always amazed at how many airline employees are rude to customers. I will sit at the gate area and am shocked at how many gate agents are down right rude to infrequent travelers. I know that in my service industry that I would have lost my job a long time ago had i treated my clients the same way.

Must be a dilemma, pushing the call button and then deciding to hide your employee status while the on duty crew takes care of the situation versus rising to the occasion and pitching in to help take care of the situation.

I am so glad I don't work for an airline. Airline employees are pretty easy to spot since many of them are still slinging badges around their neck when they board and then how they come up with an extreme self entitled attitude when they are hitching a free ride.

Every job has perks included (so please don't get on the soap box of it is part of my pay.) Your primary responsibilty is to your clients/customers. If a customer has an issue, you need to rise to the occasion, not sit with a smug attitude.

 

[ratmaster]

Thankfully, I was brought up in a proper southern home with good southern manners. Also working in consulting I have learned to be EXTREMELY respectful of those who ARE PAYING MY BILLS! Never bite the hand that feeds you. I am always amazed at how many airline employees are rude to customers. I will sit at the gate area and am shocked at how many gate agents are down right rude to infrequent travelers. I know that in my service industry that I would have lost my job a long time ago had i treated my clients the same way.
I am so glad I don't work for an airline. Airline employees are pretty easy to spot since many of them are still slinging badges around their neck when they board and then how they come up with an extreme self entitled attitude when they are hitching a free ride.

Every job has perks included (so please don't get on the soap box of it is part of my pay.) Your primary responsibilty is to your clients/customers. If a customer has an issue, you need to rise to the occasion, not sit with a smug attitude.

You are kind of contradicting yourself in previous posts. You said that nonrevs are supposed to blend in but then you expected that the seat should be given up to a paying passenger. If the nonrev was supposed to do that in the name of customer relations, they would hardly be blending in. Secondly, they said it was on ANOTHER airline. Obviously not their own. Thirdly, nonrev travel is a perk of the job. Do none of you take advantage of the perks of your job at the expense of others enjoying the same benefit? I assume that Disney CM's get free or discounted tickets to the parks. Should they not use the FP system because they are taking that FP away from a paying guest? Should they not make ADR's in the park because they are taking it away form a paying guest. Should all "nonrev Disney CM's" get rounded up and removed from the park on those rare days that paying guests are turned away? Let's look at this for what it is. We all take advantage of the perks of our job. Be it free airline travel, sports or concert tickets...whatever. We all do it. It does not constitute a bad attitude.

And as far as the Gen-X comment. It would seem that this individual Gen-xer seemed to have a clear sense of entitlement. Obviously to ask another passenger what they paid and to think that they would be entitled to switch seats because he paid more is crazy. He did not know the person was a nonrev and to ask any passenger that obviously reeks of a sense of entitlement. I think the poster was speaking about this individual, not a generation in general. And I am a gen-xer.