REALLOCATION Email campaign to add 5 "small" transfers to use year

[Chuck S]

But, why wouldn't the owner that needs a 2 point transfer this year, also need one next year, and the year after that, and the year after that? Rather than having the hassle of finding someone to transfer 1 or 2 points each and every year, it would be far simpler to have someone transfer 25 or 30 points. The person could use all of those transferred points for the current reservation, if they needed only one point, then bank 29 of their own current use year points, then use the banked points for their next year and bank 28, and so on...that way only one transfer would cover their normal travel habits for 30 years with no annual transfer hassle. I still see no advantage to multiple transfers, except for commercial renters.

 

[bookwormde]

Some people do not have the cash flow; some people do not want the risk of extra points that might expire. If you have multiple home resorts and vacations there is little likelihood of finding 1 member to transfer from multiple contracts. Other than the time required due to an antiquated reservation system I have not hear a good argument not to give these inconvenienced members this option. No one is saying to go back to unlimited transfers, just very limited points because this would help to make this change in the beat interest of the majority of owners.

It is easy to make changes if you do not include the potential cost of moderating the impact of the changes in the equation.

DVC could direct sell points as other timeshares do, lots of options just none of them done.

bookwormde

 

[LoveToDisney]

But, why wouldn't the owner that needs a 2 point transfer this year, also need one next year, and the year after that, and the year after that? Rather than having the hassle of finding someone to transfer 1 or 2 points each and every year, it would be far simpler to have someone transfer 25 or 30 points. The person could use all of those transferred points for the current reservation, if they needed only one point, then bank 29 of their own current use year points, then use the banked points for their next year and bank 28, and so on...that way only one transfer would cover their normal travel habits for 30 years with no annual transfer hassle. I still see no advantage to multiple transfers, except for commercial renters.

Wow, I didn't think about your scenario. Sound like a good idea if you are consistent with the points you need and only reserve within 7 months. I like to reserve at 11 months so I need points within each resort sub-contract to do that. I guess the reason I would like at least two additional small transfers available to me instead of just one big one is that I usually get caught short for reserving something at one of the resorts I own. Getting a bunch of points extra for that resort in one year assumes I am consistent with what I want to reserve, so having flexibility to "top off" a reservation only when needed would be nice. I also think we have a hard time getting someone to transfer 25 or 30 points since it is their one and only transfer for the year. I don't completely understand how the commercial renters were profiting from the small transfers and don't want to help them out whatsoever so those of you that know more about that are certainly thinking it through and I thank you.

 

[LoveToDisney]

Some people do not have the cash flow; some people do not want the risk of extra points that might expire. If you have multiple home resorts and vacations there is little likelihood of finding 1 member to transfer from multiple contracts. Other than the time required due to an antiquated reservation system I have not hear a good argument not to give these inconvenienced members this option. No one is saying to go back to unlimited transfers, just very limited points because this would help to make this change in the beat interest of the majority of owners.

It is easy to make changes if you do not include the potential cost of moderating the impact of the changes in the equation.

DVC could direct sell points as other timeshares do, lots of options just none of them done.

bookwormde

Well said!!

 

[Chuck S]

Actually, it applies easily to multiple resorts as well, with a little banking and borrowing.

For instance, someone owns just enough points under the 2009 charts to book their annual vacation at SSR, BCV and VWL.

In 2010 they are a few points short for each resort.

In 2009, they transfer in enough SSR points to cover the next 10 years or so, and begin the multi year banking.

In 2010, they a) use those banked SSR points for their SSR 11 month reservation, and bank additional points for the next year, and so on. b)They transfer in BCV points, make their 2010 reservation at 11 months and begin the annual banking ritual and c) they borrow their own VWL points from 2011 to make that reservation at 11 months. In 2011, they a)continue the booking and bankoing for SSR and BCV. b)transfer in a block of VWL points, make their 11 month reservation, and begin the banking sequence with VWL.

In 2012 and future years, they continue the banking sequence for all 3 resorts.

Under the multi-transfer limited point plan, they would be transferring in points for each of those resort each year until the end of their contracts.

As far as risk of "losing" used points, they have the same risk either way. Reservations could be canceled for any number of reasons (family emergencies, health issues, etc., and the same number of points lost whether they transfer yearly or do a single transfer/continual banking. And doing a single transfer in each of the next 3 years, with the current economy, will likely be cheaper per point in the long run, than taking the risk of finding someone to transfer the exact small amount of points they need annually.

 

[BEASLYBOO]

I agree with increasing the number of member to member transfers, but also limit each member to ONE reservation per year that is for another name other than the person on the contract(renters). They should also shorten the booking window for reservations for renters to one month. This would help members who have extra points they can't use.

Several times a year I may give friends or family members access to my DVC, I reserve in the name of who'll be in the room. It's not a rental, it's a gift but DVC would never know the difference in what I do and a rental. If you restricted it to one rental, they would more than likely lie to get additional renters in. I agree with your point but it would have to be worked out another way.

I'm not pleased that some of my vacation time will cost me more points but in the end I've always had to borrow form the next year and I guess I'll continue to do so and/or buy point transfers if I'm short!

 

[LoveToDisney]

Actually, it applies easily to multiple resorts as well, with a little banking and borrowing.

For instance, someone owns just enough points under the 2009 charts to book their annual vacation at SSR, BCV and VWL.

In 2010 they are a few points short for each resort.

In 2009, they transfer in enough SSR points to cover the next 10 years or so, and begin the multi year banking.

In 2010, they a) use those banked SSR points for their SSR 11 month reservation, and bank additional points for the next year, and so on. b)They transfer in BCV points, make their 2010 reservation at 11 months and begin the annual banking ritual and c) they borrow their own VWL points from 2011 to make that reservation at 11 months. In 2011, they a)continue the booking and bankoing for SSR and BCV. b)transfer in a block of VWL points, make their 11 month reservation, and begin the banking sequence with VWL.

In 2012 and future years, they continue the banking sequence for all 3 resorts.

Under the multi-transfer limited point plan, they would be transferring in points for each of those resort each year until the end of their contracts.

As far as risk of "losing" used points, they have the same risk either way. Reservations could be canceled for any number of reasons (family emergencies, health issues, etc., and the same number of points lost whether they transfer yearly or do a single transfer/continual banking. And doing a single transfer in each of the next 3 years, with the current economy, will likely be cheaper per point in the long run, than taking the risk of finding someone to transfer the exact small amount of points they need annually.

Thanks for the full explanation....something to consider with the new allocation and one transfer limits we now have. Although we all have felt the emotion of this change and wish things had remained the same, it is nice to get some help for options to work around the new point allocation. I think DVC members have a tendency toward long term planning (and many of us "thought" we had a good idea of what we needed for our vacations) and that's why we are feeling the "ouch" in working with the new allocation. I certainly would have added some cushion in points if I had understood things completely. I was under the mis-impression that any changes would affect the cost of days in the week/weekend but the weekly point total had to stay the same. I laughed when the PR statement said "essentially" the same. If only my guide had mentioned the possibility so I could decide whether to add more points. Lesson learned. In time, we will all figure out ways to still have our vacations.

 

[SuzanneSLO]

Just wanted to say that I received a substantial point transfer several years ago even though we really just needed between 10 and 40 extra points per year to give us the options we need for our desired reservations. It worked great and we are enjoying floating on a cushion of current points that never previsouly existed.

Also, even though the transfer was not from our home resort, it only impacted a single reservation. We choose our upcoming May trip as the one where home resort advantage was least likely to matter and booked using the transferred points (got our BW view studio that we wanted as well). It freed up our home resort points, so all future booking can be at the 11 month window. Best of luck -- Suzanne