Real ID delayed again

[nw6675]

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id

Delayed again to 2025

 

[AgentMama]

Not really surprising given the heavy lift of implementation on a state and federal level.

 

[1420Elexismc]

Good to know-not everyone in our family has one and we are going in May so they won't have to scramble before the trip to upgrade their licenses

 

[EACarlson]

Just stop with the whole thing, if you haven't actually required it in the 10 years since it was passed, just give it up.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I was glad it was extended the first time to 2022 (or was it the second time I've lost count) because it meant I could get it during my renewal instead of having to get it off renewal. My husband got his this year too since his license was also up for renewal. We should be able to renew online now in the future which will be nice.

 

[Beer Me]

Some of my family don’t have one mainly because covid made it difficult to go to the dmv. For example my wife’s license expired she was planning on getting her real id but it was impossible to get an in person appointment.

If those who got a new license during covid and were unable to get real id it will be 5 years before they have to renew. I could see this being put off even longer than 2025.

 

[Her Dotness]

Just stop with the whole thing, if you haven't actually required it in the 10 years since it was passed, just give it up.

Except that some states got on board with offering these only a few years ago.

That would be ours, because we both renewed last year and finally could get Real IDs. They'd not been available more than a year or so at that point.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Some of my family don’t have one mainly because covid made it difficult to go to the dmv. For example my wife’s license expired she was planning on getting her real id but it was impossible to get an in person appointment.

If those who got a new license during covid and were unable to get real id it will be 5 years before they have to renew. I could see this being put off even longer than 2025.

Our state you would just go off-renewal and pay the photo fee then your license would renew per usual. It was never going to be where everyone in the U.S. was going to get theirs during their renewal. Your logic isn't how the deadline works though. It's not related to people's expiration dates on their licenses which vary across all states and all different reasons.

I remember the initial deadline I think it was about half of my state was going to catch it before their license expired. I was not one of those people neither was my husband. My mother-in-law renewed 1 month before REAL IDs were issued in my state but she's been able to get one anytime now (you just pay the photo fee for our state if it's outside of your renewal time period). Also in my state you can renew your license 1 year before the actual expiration date (subject to minor and under 21 exemptions).

So really your only issue is getting that DMV appointment if that's required for 1st time REAL ID holders not your expiration date. The expiration date is completely separate from a Federal mandated date that is randomly picked.

 

[EACarlson]

Some of my family don’t have one mainly because covid made it difficult to go to the dmv. For example my wife’s license expired she was planning on getting her real id but it was impossible to get an in person appointment.

If those who got a new license during covid and were unable to get real id it will be 5 years before they have to renew. I could see this being put off even longer than 2025.

You can still get a RealID compliant document, if you choose not to, then in my mind you are choosing not to fly. If we are going to make rules, enforce them, otherwise making them is pointless.

Except that some states got on board with offering these only a few years ago.

That would be ours, because we both renewed last year and finally could get Real IDs. They'd not been available more than a year or so at that point.

It was available in every state in 2018. If you know you are going to fly, you need to have one of the documents. You already need one in order to access certain government facilities. I know my wife had a RealID compliant document in 2016, I got one in 2017 when I moved to WI.

 

[Beer Me]

Our state you would just go off-renewal and pay the photo fee then your license would renew per usual. It was never going to be where everyone in the U.S. was going to get theirs during their renewal. Your logic isn't how the deadline works though. It's not related to people's expiration dates on their licenses which vary across all states and all different reasons.

I remember the initial deadline I think it was about half of my state was going to catch it before their license expired. I was not one of those people neither was my husband. My mother-in-law renewed 1 month before REAL IDs were issued in my state but she's been able to get one anytime now (you just pay the photo fee for our state if it's outside of your renewal time period). Also in my state you can renew your license 1 year before the actual expiration date (subject to minor and under 21 exemptions).

So really your only issue is getting that DMV appointment if that's required for 1st time REAL ID holders not your expiration date. The expiration date is completely separate from a Federal mandated date that is randomly picked.

All good information.

I’m thinking more in practical terms that many people who would have upgraded to real id through the natural process of renewal missed a cycle during covid.

More people will need to go out of their way to upgrade than if dmvs had been fully operational the past couple of years.

We all have passports so I’m not worried about myself. I just see chaos at airports whenever enforcement starts whether it’s 2025 or later

 

[starry_solo]

I got one when it was time to renew my DL since I had to go renew in person already

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

All good information.

I’m thinking more in practical terms that many people who would have upgraded to real id through the natural process of renewal missed a cycle during covid.

More people will need to go out of their way to upgrade than if dmvs had been fully operational the past couple of years.

The original deadline for flying was October 1, 2020 but extended to October 1, 2021 (end of March 2020), then extended again to May 3, 2023 (in April 2021) and just now extended again to May 7th, 2025 (December 5th 2022).

I could have seen off-renewal issues with the 2020 date and the 2021 date but once it was 2023 that would have gotten a lot more people and def. with 2025. Even with the DMV issues (which should have had the most impact in 2020) I'm not sure how I can see more people at this point who would be off renewal by which another extension beyond 2025 would be called for that reason; majority of the states have been issuing REAL IDs years before the pandemic (mine for more than 5 years as an example).

In your state do you make a separate appointment for REAL ID? In mine we just make a DMV appointment.

 

[Beer Me]

We make an appointment for license renewal whether real ID or not. For a non- real ID we can renew online without appointment which I’m sure many take advantage of and contributes to the number of people who have not upgraded. Not to mention the people who go in for renewal and don’t have the additional documents and settle for non-real id.

In my wife’s case she renewed in 2015 and could have upgraded but didn’t for whatever reason. When 2020 came up she would have liked to get one but covid made it difficult if not impossible to get an in person appointment. Anecdotally it just seems like there would be many others like her.

Of course if she really needed it to travel we would take care of it. But (and maybe I’m underestimating the general public) I feel like many people won’t be on top of this even in two more years. Right now it’s about 43% of IDs which isn’t great.

 

[sam_gordon]

All good information.

I’m thinking more in practical terms that many people who would have upgraded to real id through the natural process of renewal missed a cycle during covid.

More people will need to go out of their way to upgrade than if dmvs had been fully operational the past couple of years.

We all have passports so I’m not worried about myself. I just see chaos at airports whenever enforcement starts whether it’s 2025 or later

How big a deal is it to miss the natural cycle though? My new job has me travelling more, so I went and got a Real ID. I was able to walk in to one of the regional centers, had my paperwork, and it cost me $15. The expiration date on the Real ID is the same as my old license (July '24). I agree with @EACarlson, the states have had the tech for years before Covid. Covid has been "over" (yea, I know it's still around, you know what I mean) for months, if not a year. If this is needed for security, then enforce it. If it's not needed, then do away with it.

Let's be honest, probably the majority of people will wait until the month before the deadline before they go apply. It won't matter if that deadline is 2023, 2025, 2030, or 2300. Either bite the bullet and do it, or give it up.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

We make an appointment for license renewal whether real ID or not. For a non- real ID we can renew online without appointment which I’m sure many take advantage of and contributes to the number of people who have not upgraded. Not to mention the people who go in for renewal and don’t have the additional documents and settle for non-real id.

In my wife’s case she renewed in 2015 and could have upgraded but didn’t for whatever reason. When 2020 came up she would have liked to get one but covid made it difficult if not impossible to get an in person appointment. Anecdotally it just seems like there would be many others like her.

Of course if she really needed it to travel we would take care of it. But (and maybe I’m underestimating the general public) I feel like many people won’t be on top of this even in two more years. Right now it’s about 43% of IDs which isn’t great.

Because the largest impact to DMVs was focused on a smaller time period in 2020 (and it sounds like your wife was caught in that) that's not going to translate to as much of an impact of people's normal cycles en masse as time goes on in relation to the deadlines. That's what I'm trying to get across.

People not having the correct documentation that's a whole 'nother issue but doesn't also mean you have to choose to get a non-REAL ID right that very second, some probably do but it's not "that's what you have to do".

The 43% you're mentioning was from April of 2021 when the deadline was extended from October 1, 2021 to May 2023. The most recent press release from DHS from today omitted any figures but I'll assume that in the more than 19 months since that figure was provided it has increased at least somewhat.
https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/news/20...s-extension-real-id-full-enforcement-deadline

People also can choose to use their passports too for flying in lieu of getting a REAL ID (even off renewal) if they have one.

As far as online in my state you can only do that if you can submit vision test results within a year because vision tests will also be done at the DMV. That is the same for normal DL or REAL ID.

I hear what you're saying and am not doubting that for some there's issues but I'm doubtful that more people are out of sync with a 2025 date (or even a 2023 date) because of the timing of everything. If this was April of 2021 with a deadline of October 2021 I would have agreed with you but people have now been given 4 years and a little more than 7 months beyond the original 2020 deadline with most having years before that the chance to get a REAL ID on their renewal date. That's going to catch a lot of people. For the bulk of people if on their renewal date they chose to get a normal ID rather than a REAL ID that was on them and it was also their choice, some people do not want a REAL ID.

 

[nw6675]

Editing post as not to cause confusion, but military IDs accepted as real IDs

 

[bumbershoot]

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id

Delayed again to 2025

Shocking.
Oh wait, no.

If you know you are going to fly, you need to have one of the documents.

And yet you don't. Until May 7 2025. Supposedly.

I look forward to the 20th anniversary of the REAL ID act that year on May 11.

 

[DLgal]

They could start by fixing the scanners at the airports that NEVER work for certain types of Real ID cards...

 

[georgina]

I got one when it was time to renew my DL since I had to go renew in person already

Similar, we moved from PA to VA in 2021 so got real ID driver licenses when we got VA ones. We do both have passports, but I would rather just use DL when flying domestically.

 

[Her Dotness]

It was available in every state in 2018.

You're mistaken. It was not in Missouri as I stated previously.

"The Missouri Department of Revenue began offering REAL ID-compliant driver’s licenses and ID cards on March 25, 2019." Source: https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/real-id-deadline-less-a-year-away-what-missourians-need-to-know/