Rci trading power to dvc?

[distripplanner]

Ones anyone know a good estimate if the trading power into dvc? We are just getting started in our first search to exchange Ito dvc but not sure how many weeks I'll need to bank. Any info is greatly appreciated

 

[JimMIA]

The TPU requirements are all over the ballpark depending on the season. The TUG sightings board is probably the best place to get a handle on that. The recent sightings I've seen were 40-42 TPU for one bedroom DVCs in Feb-May 2014.

On the bright side, RCI uses generic TPU for all of the Orlando area, so DVC exchanges tend to be great bargains.

There is also more availability than I would have thought, but you're going to need to do an ongoing search if you're in RCI Weeks. In RCI Points, you will have to search daily because there is no ongoing search capability there.

From what I've seen recently, DVC appears to make bulk deposits at about 5 1/2 - 6 months out. They did a bulk deposit yesterday into early May 2014.

Some of the more experienced RCI folks can give you a much better picture than I.

 

[distripplanner]

The TPU requirements are all over the ballpark depending on the season. The TUG sightings board is probably the best place to get a handle on that. The recent sightings I've seen were 40-42 TPU for one bedroom DVCs in Feb-May 2014. On the bright side, RCI uses generic TPU for all of the Orlando area, so DVC exchanges tend to be great bargains. There is also more availability than I would have thought, but you're going to need to do an ongoing search if you're in RCI Weeks. In RCI Points, you will have to search daily because there is no ongoing search capability there. From what I've seen recently, DVC appears to make bulk deposits at about 5 1/2 - 6 months out. They did a bulk deposit yesterday into early May 2014. Some of the more experienced RCI folks can give you a much better picture than I.

Thank you very much!! Here's hoping it all works out!

 

[Dean]

The TPU requirements are all over the ballpark depending on the season. The TUG sightings board is probably the best place to get a handle on that. The recent sightings I've seen were 40-42 TPU for one bedroom DVCs in Feb-May 2014.

On the bright side, RCI uses generic TPU for all of the Orlando area, so DVC exchanges tend to be great bargains.

There is also more availability than I would have thought, but you're going to need to do an ongoing search if you're in RCI Weeks. In RCI Points, you will have to search daily because there is no ongoing search capability there.

From what I've seen recently, DVC appears to make bulk deposits at about 5 1/2 - 6 months out. They did a bulk deposit yesterday into early May 2014.

Some of the more experienced RCI folks can give you a much better picture than I.

In general, I would agree with Jim though there are nuances and by admission I haven't followed it day by day as I did for the first couple of years. I think RCI has gotten away from generic Orlando pricing a bit though they did start out this way. As a rule you're likely looking at low 30's to low 50's for lower season 1 BR vs higher season 2BR. It will vary a lot by the week involved and may be different for the week you're looking at going forward compared to the last time that specific week/resort came around. They did start out at the same as Orlando but have increased over time compared to other highly rated resorts.

They do tend to bulk spacebank. I think the times to pay most attention to are just after the 11 month window and just after the 7 month window. As Jim said, most are in the 6 months out but this is not consistent, they're always throwing in things here and there that do not fit those times.

So if you're trying to plan to exchange in I'd list as many resorts, units sizes (not studios) and weeks as fits your needs. Getting a 1 BR and having to rent a studio is not the end of the world for many. Be looking at least a yr out. It sounds like you're on the weeks side of RCI and will have to deposit multiple units then combine them. Remember they would then expire 2 yrs from the date you combine them, not 2 yrs from the dates of the units you deposit. You'll lose maybe a year unless you again combine the remainder of the combined deposit (can't do while in an ongoing search I don't believe). Don't forget about the extra $95 fee when you exchange into DVC. I'd want a TPU of at least the low 40's for a 1 BR or high 40's for a 2 BR and for Xmas, NY, and weeks 15 or 16; I'd want at least 60. I sure wouldn't want to miss my exchange based on 1 or 2 points. Once you have that together, put in an ongoing search. If by chance you're on the weeks side it's a little more clear cut but takes more work searching.

 

[JimMIA]

I haven't been following DVC sightings for long, but a couple of things have surprised me.

One is the number of units available. At one shot a couple of months ago, DVC deposited about 80 units just at WDW. As someone pointed out, that is not a huge number compared to the total number of DVC villas, but it was still more than I expected to see. People are exchanging in left and right...much more than I thought. That's good news for DVC owners -- it means DVCers are getting RCI exchanges out via RCI that they like.

I had no trouble getting an exchange in, and it is during the peak December period and via RCI Weeks, which seems to get inventory after Points. And I don't think it was just dumb luck; I got one exchange, released it, and then got the second exchange shortly after. We had some vacation time issues with that second date (as Dean and Brian know), but we worked those out.

The other thing that surprised me is that the deposits are across the board...not just OKW and SSR. In fact, in the most recent bulk deposit, there were 12 at VWL, 8 at AKV, 8 at BCV, 5 OKW, 4 SSR, and 3 BLT. (These were all in RCI Points). The same was true for the previous deposit.

If I were doing an ongoing search in RCI Weeks, I would start out by searching only for what I really wanted. I'd modify that later to include less desirable choices if necessary

 

[Dean]

I haven't been following DVC sightings for long, but a couple of things have surprised me.

One is the number of units available. At one shot a couple of months ago, DVC deposited about 80 units just at WDW. As someone pointed out, that is not a huge number compared to the total number of DVC villas, but it was still more than I expected to see. People are exchanging in left and right...much more than I thought. That's good news for DVC owners -- it means DVCers are getting RCI exchanges out via RCI that they like.

I had no trouble getting an exchange in, and it is during the peak December period and via RCI Weeks, which seems to get inventory after Points. And I don't think it was just dumb luck; I got one exchange, released it, and then got the second exchange shortly after. We had some vacation time issues with that second date (as Dean and Brian know), but we worked those out.

The other thing that surprised me is that the deposits are across the board...not just OKW and SSR. In fact, in the most recent bulk deposit, there were 12 at VWL, 8 at AKV, 8 at BCV, 5 OKW, 4 SSR, and 3 BLT. (These were all in RCI Points). The same was true for the previous deposit.

If I were doing an ongoing search in RCI Weeks, I would start out by searching only for what I really wanted. I'd modify that later to include less desirable choices if necessary

The deposits are across the board both dates and resorts but more SSR & OKW and likely more than simply size related. Historically around 3% of members have exchanged out for II or RCI not counting BVTC. We haven't had the detailed data the last few years since their using the RCI points audit and not breaking it down to the DVC level. IMO that's questionable as to the state requirements but it's what we have right now. My guess is it's just over 3%, maybe 3.3 to 3.5% based on trends and the feel I get from discussion boards/email lists. Obviously it's hard to know for sure because of the fact that the most difficult options will likely match ongoing searches and not make it to the website.

As for how to structure a search, I wouldn't list anything one would be unhappy with but unless someone were locked into certain items, I wouldn't eliminate any DVC resorts from an ongoing search. By the time you knew you'd failed, the chances of getting anything would be dramatically less. What I've done at times is run side by side searches, one for higher demand or larger units and one (or more) for a broader list. Since they tend to bank in bulk, you may match both at the same time. You could then cancel for no cost within 24 hours (note this does not apply to DVC members exchanging out). If you match the lower and not the higher, you could reconsider your choices, maybe cancel the current match or cancel the other higher demand request. As an example, I have an ongoing request right now for a 3 BR unit for next year in addition to a matching request for lower demand options. Given my exchange costs would be around $650-700 per unit, if I got a 2 BR and a 3 BR for that price, I'm sure I could find friends/family to share the time with me.

 

[JimMIA]

Obviously it's hard to know for sure because of the fact that the most difficult options will likely match ongoing searches and not make it to the website.

I'm not sure exactly how that works -- not sure anyone does.

But what seems to happen is that inventory pops up in RCI Points and is almost immediately snapped up. What is not taken pops up in RCI Weeks a day or two later. However, shortly after stuff shows in Points, we also see people reporting ongoing search matches in Weeks.

I suspect that the alert, savvy people with Points access are checking several times a day (because they can't do ongoing searches) and are snagging their choices.

At some point after the inventory hits Points (I think the next morning), it is run against Weeks ongoing searches, and we get our matches. Again, that is my suspicion -- I don't know if my theory is correct.

 

[Dean]

I'm not sure exactly how that works -- not sure anyone does.

But what seems to happen is that inventory pops up in RCI Points and is almost immediately snapped up. What is not taken pops up in RCI Weeks a day or two later. However, shortly after stuff shows in Points, we also see people reporting ongoing search matches in Weeks.

I suspect that the alert, savvy people with Points access are checking several times a day (because they can't do ongoing searches) and are snagging their choices.

At some point after the inventory hits Points (I think the next morning), it is run against Weeks ongoing searches, and we get our matches. Again, that is my suspicion -- I don't know if my theory is correct.

I don't think it's quite that clean Jim. Technically anything that a DVC member takes out of the week side should get it's own DVC deposit directly. Anything in the points side should only be available to the weeks side to the extent POINTS owes weeks. While it's a little more transparent now with TPU's, there's still a lot of behind the scenes thats not clear nor will RCI give out the info, for good or bad.