Racist,ignorant, or misunderstood? O'Reilly remarks

[Patch'sD]

Yes, I am part of his audience, and I knew that. I am sure that I am not alone. I also know that Drugs are bad, DWI is bad, Alcholism is bad, Anti Religious beliefs are bad, But I continue to listen to Broadcasts, Watch TV Shows and Read Articles on those subjects also. I think that the message of Not Sterotyping is important and should be conveyed. I don't think that O'Reilly or Anyone else who has a discussion on a topic like that thinks that most of their audence doesn't know that is bad. But If you keep hammering the message home, you may convince the few that do.

As I said from my post #1, O'Reilly was missunderstood, Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[LuvDuke]

Yes, I am part of his audience, and I knew that. I am sure that I am not alone. I also know that Drugs are bad, DWI is bad, Alcholism is bad, Anti Religious beliefs are bad, But I continue to listen to Broadcasts, Watch TV Shows and Read Articles on those subjects also. I think that the message of Not Sterotyping is important and should be conveyed. I don't think that O'Reilly or Anyone else who has a discussion on a topic like that thinks that most of their audence doesn't know that is bad. But If you keep hammering the message home, you may convince the few that do.

As I said from my post #1, O'Reilly was missunderstood, Thanks for agreeing with me.

Since this is a thread with "misunderstood" in it's title, please reference who's agreeing with so there is no misunderstanding. Thanks in advance.

 

[Patch'sD]

"Ah, now we at least have a theory that makes some sense. It's not tha the was taken out of context. It's not that his inflection didn't come through. It's that the words that came out of his mouth were "poor choice" and don't reflect what he meant to say. He said he was surprised, but he wasn't"

In so many words I take it as an agreement. Sorry for the spelling on Misunderstood.

Your welcome

 

[NYBlue1]

My first impression of the incident was that Bill was a racist , after watching, listening reading all the original material and the aftermath interviews and stories I changed my mind.

Bill Is guilty of what alot of americans are guilty of, Ignorance of there fellow americans. Everyday people make judgements and assumptions about people that are not like them. They rely on TV shows, Music, all dffrent media mediums and to people that dont care to leave the box of there everyday life, this is how they see these people.

Honestly it seems to be that this is such an important moment that everyone should learn from it, not to judge people by sterotypes, charactures of the bad behavior of a segment of there prospective groups as a whole.

Its pathertic that a 60 plus year old man is genuinly surprised that sylivias in harlem is not overrun by gangsta rappers but what the event SHOULD do is wake up the country that we are all ,for the most part the same kind of people, all groups have some segments that are "undesirable" (for lack of a better word to use) and all groups have people that are considered main stream good down to earth hard working americans.

That important fact will be overshadowed by the groups looking to smear Bill O or protect him for the sake of there own politics. Thats so sad. IMO

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1666573,00.html

Juan Williams sets the record straight.

CNN, others is the media, and many here should be ashamed.

 

[chobie]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1666573,00.html

Juan Williams sets the record straight.

CNN, others is the media, and many here should be ashamed.

All he did was state his opinion. He didn't set any record straight.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

All he did was state his opinion. He didn't set any record straight.

Juan's the one who was talking to O'Reily, so it's not just his opinion. He, indeed, set the record straight on what was said, how it was said, and the context of what was said.

 

[NYBlue1]

I dont think they should be ashamed, everybody should be ashamed, what Bill O did was embarrising to him and any of his viewers that had the same thoughts he did, they are all guilty of sterotyping and Ignorance.

Does that make anybody that was truly enlightened by his revelations bad people, nope, hopefully , since most are adults that watch his programs they have for the first time in their lives been enlightened to a world outside there own very limited one.

If this were a FOX network story jumping on a liberal media personality all of the FOXheads would be singing the praises of the fair and balanced journalistic excellence of it all. But its not , its a FOX conservative so the evil liberals should be ashamed.

Save it for the people like bill that feel his way is the right way , his thoughts are the right thoughts and if you dont share them you are unamerican and crazy.

 

[Fitswimmer]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1666573,00.html

Juan Williams sets the record straight.

CNN, others is the media, and many here should be ashamed.

Read it, listened to the interview and I'm still not buying what they're BOTH selling.

IMHO-
It is still a sad commentary on O'Reilly and Williams audiences that they must explain that the black community is not defined by the characters in gangsta rap. If O'Reilly knew better, as all his supporters wish us to believe, then he thinks his audience didn't. If Mr Williams thinks that for someone from Long Island, going to Harlem is like visiting a foreign country, shame on him. If he thinks that it's justified for white people to have racist stereotypes of blacks becuase of rappers and comedians, shame on him.

I agree with Mr Williams and Mr Cosby that there is much wrong with those images and they only add to the negative stereotypes that racists want to use against the black community. However, I'm still not about to excuse racism and stereotyping because of those images. We should ALL know better.

 

[NYBlue1]

Juan's the one who was talking to O'Reily, so it's not just his opinion. He, indeed, set the record straight on what was said, how it was said, and the context of what was said.

WHich is still sad Joe, dont you see that?

 

[chobie]

Juan's the one who was talking to O'Reily, so it's not just his opinion. He, indeed, set the record straight on what was said, how it was said, and the context of what was said.

It was not an overheard private conversation. It was a segment on a TV show that is open to any one's interpretation. That is the point of news show. Many people interpreted the comments on that show as racist and ignorant, and I for one, stand by my opinion.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

WHich is still sad Joe, dont you see that?

A big deal over nothing with shameful twisting by the the media and many others here.

 

[Fitswimmer]

A big deal over nothing with shameful twisting by the the media and many others here.

You really do think it's nothing? The fact that enough of Bill's audience wouldn't know that black people can eat like civilized people and dress nicely is ok? If they knew, why would he have to tell them?? If it wasn't a shock to him, as you all say, then why mention it at all?

It's nothing that a member of the black community thinks it's ok for white people to make racist assumptions based on rap music??

I don't think that's nothing-I think that is SAD.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

A big deal over nothing with shameful twisting by the the media and many others here.

Joe, don't you see that it's all a smokescreen? The longer people can keep legs under this thread the longer they can go without addressing the Dem candidates' back-pedaling on troop withdrawal.

 

[NYBlue1]

You really do think it's nothing? The fact that enough of Bill's audience wouldn't know that black people can eat like civilized people and dress nicely is ok? If they knew, why would he have to tell them?? If it wasn't a shock to him, as you all say, then why mention it at all?

It's nothing that a member of the black community thinks it's ok for white people to make racist assumptions based on rap music??

I don't think that's nothing-I think that is SAD.

Thats why this country is many many years away from every treating all its citizens with respectful and equal eyes. People really dont see it and no matter how clear a picture you paint of it they might as well be looking at it with a blindfold on. They dont get and will die with the same opinions no matter how many try to show them the clear picture.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Joe, don't you see that it's all a smokescreen? The longer people can keep legs under this thread the longer they can go without addressing the Dem candidates' back-pedaling on troop withdrawal.

Start a thread and we'll talk about it. You've got to know by now that we'll talk about anything!

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

Start a thread and we'll talk about it. You've got to know by now that we'll talk about anything!

Naaaah... you know me. I'm so shy and demure about starting threads. I probably should keep my fingers to myself on this one. That'll teach me to lurk.

 

[salmoneous]

Juan Williams sets the record straight.

Nothing in that article "sets the record straight." What exactly do you mean by sets the record straight, and how to you think he did that?

CNN, others is the media, and many here should be ashamed.

Who here should be ashamed? Be specific - name names and show what they have done to be ashamed of.

Me? I don't think anyone here has said anything to be ashamed of. I might not agree with their opinions - but that's what debate is about, no? Who do you think should be ashamed of themselves?

 

[cardaway]

If it was really "nothing" Bill, and those that chose to defend him, woudln't have spent the time they did over "nothing".

Nice try. They knew it was a major CYA moment and they tried their best. No amount of spin can dig 'em out of this one.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

You really do think it's nothing? The fact that enough of Bill's audience wouldn't know that black people can eat like civilized people and dress nicely is ok? If they knew, why would he have to tell them?? If it wasn't a shock to him, as you all say, then why mention it at all?

It's nothing that a member of the black community thinks it's ok for white people to make racist assumptions based on rap music??

I don't think that's nothing-I think that is SAD.

I think Juan said it best:
The most pernicious damage being done by the twisted presentation of black life in pop culture is the self-destructive message being beamed into young, vulnerable black brains. Young black people, searching for affirmation of their racial identity, are minute by minute being sold on the cheap idea that they are authentically black only if they imitate the violent, threatening attitude of the rappers and use the gutter language coming from the minstrels on TV.

The lesson from the rappers and comedians is that any young brother or sister who is proud to be black has to treat education with indifference, dismiss love and marriage as the business of white people and dress like the rappers who dress like prisoners — no comb in the jail so they wear doo-rags all day, and no belts so their pants hang down around their butts.

That was the heart and soul of the conversation between O'Reilly and me. The point of the whole exchange was to defeat corrupt, untrue and racist images of real black people.

Save your disgust for the above type of rappers and their toadies. It wasn't about Bill's audience.