Racial Discrimination? More blatant examples? More subtle?

[tinatark]

I can't believe this thread is still open, BTW.

But it is interesting to see what people percieve as racism/discrimination.

 

[FireDancer]

Is this actually what's been said to you or it this how you perceive it? In the way that some may assume you didn't vote for him because he was black do you assume people think that of you because you're not black? I'm not denying it happens, I know it does but if you are in the mind set that people are going to accuse you of being racist it may make you defensive, kwim? Like I said, I know people are accused of this so I'm not trying to argue just wondering if you've looked at it from a different angle.

I think this is another case of the way the media portrays it. I know a lot of people who voted both ways in the last election and none based either vote on race nor do they imply that the other side did. I have seen on political talk shows that it is implied people only disagreed with the president because of race. Again, I am confident there are white people that didn't vote for him based solely on skin color and there are black people that voted for him based solely on skin color. Neither in my opinion are the norm. The shows just had their own agenda which they pushed on the opposing party in these cases.

Let us not forget that our president is half black and half white, so he is equally both races. To single either out is wrong and shows that those people are not thinking logically. If you vote based on color which one was it?

Look at another example. When Bush was president there were caricatures made of him that made him look like a monkey. He is president and when you are president these kinds of things happen. No big deal was made. One paper does the same thing with our current president and it becomes about race instead of being a political cartoon. Either both are ok or neither are ok. To say it is ok to characature one president and not another based on skin color is literally saying that it is ok to have different rules for different people based on the color of their skin. That notion I find to be racist and pandering. It is the exact same flawed mentality that lead to "separate but equal". We can be either separate or equal, not both...I'm voting for the later

Any political figure regardless of party will have supporters and opponents and the opponents will be very vocal. It is what happens when you have the flawed 2 party system we have, it creates divides. I don't identify with either party and find them both to be out of touch with what we actually want as Americans. To get into further detail would be against board rules.

Speaking of which, I hope we continue to discuss the issue as rational adults to keep this thread from being locked. Different opinions are just different, it doesn't make one right and one wrong.

 

[wenrob]

Mild or not, it is still discriminatory, no?

And yes, I have been told point blank--by caucasian supporters, no less who share my skin color.

To the point where I can't share at all--b/c there is no point.

My views (and those of many I know) didn't change from prior elections, so not sure why suddenly we are considered to have voted solely on skin color.

I simply stated my views here as I didn't believe the OP was asking for only teh really bad and nasty examples.

It is just another form of reverse discrimination that I have experienced. (And while discrimination is just discrimination the reason for mentioning "reverse" is that often people only focus on a minority being discriminated against, but never the other way around.)

I often wonder what the feedback would have been had a woman been elected and I disagreed with her.

I'm a woman--but I'm sure someone would twist my views to be sexist.

We had talked about perception earlier so that's where my question came from. It was not intended to be accusatory in any way. And I agree mild or not it's not right.

I guess maybe it's my age or how I was raised but I don't generally talk politics (or religion) with people I don't know well. I know my best friend is very conservative and probably did not vote for him. However it would never occur to me that she didn't vote for him because of his race but his policies. Of course it would never occur to me to ask who she voted for because it's none of my business. So when I hear people say they've been accused of being racist for not voting for him I find myself wondering how these conversations are taking place? Anyone who knows you certainly wouldn't think that was your reason for not voting for him. Does that make any sense?

 

[shrubber]

For the most part, white bigots are no longer respected among whites and I look forward to the day when black bigots are no longer respected among blacks.
Why do black leaders get ( at worst) a slap on the wrist from society?
Al Sharpton
Jesse Jackson
Jeramiah Wright
Maxinne Waters
Louis Farrakahn
ect ect ect

 

[missypie]

Blue Crabs - I don't know why they're considered a "black" food - but they have been, as long as I remember (N. Florida). At least the steamed ones. My husband was a meat market (and seafood) manager at Winn Dixie - the stores in predominately black areas outsold other stores 4+ to 1. It still seems the same.

I grew up in Illinois. My dad liked to fish and I'd love it when we had fish fries. We'd eat whatever he caught - catfish, blue gill, etc. I was so surprised when I moved to Texas and ordered catfish in a restaurant and my lunch companion said, "I've never seen a white person eat catfish."

 

[okeydokey]

No PC indoctrinated employee is going to confront someone from a entitled group. They know that it is not worth it. European Americans are the biggest bunch of pushovers on the planet when it comes to race too.

Entitled? Which group would that be?

 

[Kim&Chris]

Entitled? Which group would that be?

Just guessing, but I think this poster meant "protected group".

 

[ogreenlee]

Getting away from Obama.. lol


I used to work at Musicland (anyone remember that chain?) while in college. Our "rap" section was at the front of the store, next to the registers. One day, these two black guys were in there and started raising cane about how the rap section was next to the register and that it was racist. They went on and on about it to each other and then to me, who was at the register. I looked at the one guy and said, "So you think it's racist to have the rap section at the front of the store? Well, I think you're racist for thinking only black people listen to rap music." Theft is theft, and that's the section that ended up losing the most cds. The town was 70/30 whites over blacks, and that section of the store was about 50/50 in race. Who was stealing? I don't know, but that's where we had theft issues.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Glad we're not bringing politics into this discussion.

 

[shrubber]

That's a tough one.

I don't feel that women suffered the same troubles as African Americans in our history.

For me I would think it would be easier for a woman to not vote for a woman just so they can have the first female president even if she were a viable candidate. I feel the numbers would be far different than what we saw last election for Obama.

It is not important to me for women to see their day as it may have been for African American's to see their day.

Women are a race now?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Discrimination is not about what you see and hear. Discrimination is about choice. Not all discrimination is bad

Well we're talking race and discriminating based on color (what you see) and what you hear (Shanaenae being the name)--is bad no matter what you call it and those who make that choice are bad.

You won't be able to use your statements to defend it otherwise.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Women are a race now?

I can answer that once you point out where in my post I mentioned it.

 

[Yensid4me]

Im just glad that when we go "home",that part of society doesnt follow us.For that brief moment in time we are all simply people who love Disney and want to make magical memories.

 

[ogreenlee]

I just meant that judging him based on race or voting for or against him based on race makes no sense because he is equally black and white. He is what he is. I see no problem pointing out the obvious because it cancels out some of the race based arguments and narrow mindedness of people in this country.

If it came across as trying to keep the upper hand it wasn't meant to. It was just a statement of fact and neither half of his heritage should be ignored by anyone.

I didn't think you were at all, but I just wanted to use that as an example of how it's still turned and used by a lot of folks.


I love living in Atlanta. I think folks here, of all colors, live more harmoniously than most other urban areas of our country. I live in a upper-middle class neighborhood, and when I go to the bus stop, everyone waiting on their child is of a different ethnicity. It's pretty cool, I think.


This chick I'm no longer friends with said once... "I have nothing against black people, but I don't want to buy a house in a neighborhood with lots of blacks because I don't want my property value to go down."

I was stunned. It amazes me how many white folks honestly think they're not racist but really are. I think they convince themselves. Everyone is prejudice, but not everyone is racist. To be prejudice isn't necessarily hateful. Being racist is. I may have my preconceived notions going into a situation, but that doesn't mean that it's spiteful.

Are we even on topic anymore? I should be working.

 

[shrubber]

I can answer that once you point out where in my post I mentioned it.

Sorry,
I did not realize that you had gone off topic to include alleged discrimination against women

 

[shrubber]

Here is a question

Somewhere around less than three percent of all marriages in the US are between people of different races.
Is that racially discriminitory?

 

[FireDancer]

Here is a question

Somewhere around less than three percent of all marriages in the US are between people of different races.
Is that racially discriminitory?

I don't know what you mean. It seems like you cited a statistic. I would concede that the majority of people marry within their race and that in itself isn't racist or discriminatory. It is just the way it is.

To say people should only marry within their race would be discriminatory. You would be entitled to that opinion of course but I would find it wrong.

Back on topic though...I think there is such a gulf between perception and actuality because so many people don't socialize with people of different races, religions, or sexual orientation. This isn't limited only to strait white Christians, but to all groups with closed, homogeneous social circles. Sometimes this is a logistical problem, sometimes it is a choice.

I grew up in a very white, middle class area but we were raised that all people are equal. As I got older I started to make more diverse friends and widened my social circle. As you start to interact with different people you start to learn that while there are cultural differences we are very much the same. When all you have to judge other people by is their media portrayal you can be misled. This is true of many things, including race. For example, if you don't know any gay people in real life it would be easy to discount them all as a character from Will & Grace. That is just not accurate.

Like I said earlier, if you get your racial view from Rev. Al or Rush or the multitude of other people who use race as an agenda you are not getting the real picture.

 

[shrubber]

I don't know what you mean. It seems like you cited a statistic. I would concede that the majority of people marry within their race and that in itself isn't racist or discriminatory. It is just the way it is.

To say people should only marry within their race would be discriminatory. You would be entitled to that opinion of course but I would find it wrong.

It's not just the way it is. Its racial discrimination.
What is the difference between ' I prefer to only hire white people'
and " I prefer to only marry white people?'

 

[ogreenlee]

It's not just the way it is. Its racial discrimination.
What is the difference between ' I prefer to only hire white people'
and " I prefer to only marry white people?'

Only if you state it as.. "i prefer to only marry white people".

I've always liked the dirty blonde, white boy types. I think it's because I've always had black hair and olive skin. It's my preference. Everyone has a type.

I think you're venturing into gray area, so to speak.

 

[FireDancer]

It's not just the way it is. Its racial discrimination.
What is the difference between ' I prefer to only hire white people'
and " I prefer to only marry white people?'

If you mean you as a Justice of the Peace prefer to only marry white people it is racial discrimination. If you mean you personally only want to marry another white person it is a preference. Like PP said, we all have some sort of preference.