Question for those supporting McCain on taxes issues

[shortbun]

Do you not realize that everyone is going to have to pay and pay and pay and pay fot the recent rescue of Wall Street? We haven't even addressed Main Street yet and/or our debt to China. What about the 140billion "PORK" they-the Senate including McCain-tacked on to the rescue bill to bribe congressmen and women to vote for it? Why was "PORK" ok then and not the "pork" of the past that McCain so passionately spoke against in the first debate. Anyway-McCain supporters- your taxes are going up. They are going up and up and up and up. Neither candidate's plan allows for the mess that we're actually in. Whoever wins is going to be VERY unpopular amongst the taxable masses because we're all paying for this one, like it or not. I'd also like to have a discussion some day about the cost of the Iraq war. We seriously need a 'bailout' plan there too! We're going to need the money we're pouring into Iraq and since they have some of their own...I don't GET why you guys don't want Iraq to use their own money. I mean, you're not exactly generous when it comes to the homeless guy here on our streets ala Ronald Reagan but you WANT to 'support' Iraq? lol! Let's get out of there, begin healing our troops - where's the money for that?- and get on with the business at hand here!!!

 

[LaraK]

Do you not realize that everyone is going to have to pay and pay and pay and pay fot the recent rescue of Wall Street? We haven't even addressed Main Street yet and/or our debt to China. What about the 140billion "PORK" they-the Senate including McCain-tacked on to the rescue bill to bribe congressmen and women to vote for it? Why was "PORK" ok then and not the "pork" of the past that McCain so passionately spoke against in the first debate. Anyway-McCain supporters- your taxes are going up. They are going up and up and up and up. Neither candidate's plan allows for the mess that we're actually in. Whoever wins is going to be VERY unpopular amongst the taxable masses because we're all paying for this one, like it or not. I'd also like to have a discussion some day about the cost of the Iraq war. We seriously need a 'bailout' plan there too! We're going to need the money we're pouring into Iraq and since they have some of their own...I don't GET why you guys don't want Iraq to use their own money. I mean, you're not exactly generous when it comes to the homeless guy here on our streets ala Ronald Reagan but you WANT to 'support' Iraq? lol! Let's get out of there, begin healing our troops - where's the money for that?- and get on with the business at hand here!!!

Well, that's an interesting post. Let me see if I can respond.

Sure we're going to pay, but we're going to pay no matter what (those of us who pay taxes). I'd just rather not pay an additional One Trillion for the hand outs and welfare Obama has proposed. I'd rather not push the payments to the "rich" people, because that will suppress jobs and make the situation even worse.

The next president is in an untenable situation. There will be pain over the next few years no matter who gets in...we, as the electorate, have to decide how much we want to hurt. Personally, I think McCain will make the hurt less for the majority of Americans.

 

[BuckNaked]

My problem with Sen. Obama's tax plan is that it is nothing more than blatant redistribution of income disguised as "patriotism" (per Sen. Biden). His plan will directly affect my family's ability to save for retirement, college and emergencies so that families that didn't earn our money can have it in the form of welfare payments (increased EITC, increased refundable child credits, matching savings and free college educations). Perhaps you can explain to me why those families are more deserving of the money my DH and I earn than we are.

How do you believe that Sen. Obama will be able to do anything about the deficit and national debt when all of his increased revenue (and then some) is going to new handout programs?

If Sen. Obama is all about fiscal responsibility, then raise EVERYONE'S taxes, and let the people at the bottom start footing some of the bill instead of getting a free ride.

 

[HakunaMatata2]

My problem with Sen. Obama's tax plan is that it is nothing more than blatant redistribution of income disguised as "patriotism" (per Sen. Biden). His plan will directly affect my family's ability to save for retirement, college and emergencies so that families that didn't earn our money can have it in the form of welfare payments (increased EITC, increased refundable child credits, matching savings and free college educations). Perhaps you can explain to me why those families are more deserving of the money my DH and I earn than we are. How do you believe that Sen. Obama will be able to do anything about the deficit and national debt when all of his increased revenue (and then some) is going to new handout programs?

If Sen. Obama is all about fiscal responsibility, then raise EVERYONE'S taxes, and let the people at the bottom start footing some of the bill instead of getting a free ride.

They are not. This is redistribution of wealth.
Unfortunately, it many cases it takes hard working folks like you and your DH who put yourself through school, worked, got a responsible affordable mortgage, sacrifice to save for your chldren's college years and perhaps put a little aside for retirement so that you will not be dependent on your children or the government. Obama's socialism plan punishes people like you who want to work hard and have initiative. Under Obama's plan, rewards will be there for those who do less. That takes away any incentive. What's the point of working more and taking risk and responsibility, if your rewards go to someone else?
The American Dream is built on a capitalistic system that suggests that hard work and effort lead to success.

 

[shortbun]

My problem with Sen. Obama's tax plan is that it is nothing more than blatant redistribution of income disguised as "patriotism" (per Sen. Biden). His plan will directly affect my family's ability to save for retirement, college and emergencies so that families that didn't earn our money can have it in the form of welfare payments (increased EITC, increased refundable child credits, matching savings and free college educations). Perhaps you can explain to me why those families are more deserving of the money my DH and I earn than we are.

How do you believe that Sen. Obama will be able to do anything about the deficit and national debt when all of his increased revenue (and then some) is going to new handout programs?

If Sen. Obama is all about fiscal responsibility, then raise EVERYONE'S taxes, and let the people at the bottom start footing some of the bill instead of getting a free ride.

Where exactly do you think 'the people at the bottom' are going to GET this money you propose they supply? Magic?

'Everyone' IS/ARE going to feel this one. There won't BE money for the social programs you love to hate, that's for sure. We are going to be so close to a Depression rather than a Recession, you might want to forget about saving money for your 'retirement' for a while-btw, how's that workin' for ya right now? My fund's not doing so well.- and look at your current needs to make sure things are shored up for the next few years.

And-you just going to allow the working poor to become homeless and ride the rails again like they did 80 years ago? Good luck with that. I happen to believe in generosity and kindness in times of need. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do everything I could to help the country as a whole get through this crisis. That includes paying taxes. You just won't find me yelling about what I 'deserve' when it comes to money.

 

[BuckNaked]

Where exactly do you think 'the people at the bottom' are going to GET this money you propose they supply? Magic?

Sen. Obama has made it very clear where the money is coming from - people like my DH and I. It's all on Sen. Obama's website.

'Everyone' IS/ARE going to feel this one. There won't BE money for the social programs you love to hate, that's for sure. We are going to be so close to a Depression rather than a Recession, you might want to forget about saving money for your 'retirement' for a while-btw, how's that workin' for ya right now? My fund's not doing so well.- and look at your current needs to make sure things are shored up for the next few years.

Our 401Ks are down, but as we've got another 15 years or so until retirement, I'm not worried. Now is the time to buy. As for our current needs, we'll be fine if we can keep Sen. Obama and his ilk out of our pockets.

You just won't find me yelling about what I 'deserve' when it comes to money.

Of course I won't, because you'll be one of the ones taking the money from those in the top 5%.

 

[shortbun]

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The American Dream is built on a capitalistic system that suggests that hard work and effort lead to success.

Yeah, so much for Capitalism, we just blew THAT concept right out of the water. I guess you could count the 140billion in bribes to congressmen for their votes as 'capitalism.' lol!! See, I don't understand how people could live in the world today and be so rigidly holding on to 50's economics ideals. I mean, it's a nice thought but it's just not realistic anymore, obviously. Don't get me wrong, I like that we have smatterings of the capitalistic system still floating around. Oh, and it's the 'American Dream' that got us all into this trouble; people wanted 'the dream' and financiers lied to them about how easy it is to get. Are THOSE guys the capitalists you want immulated in future generations? Nah, I think they need to go to jail!!!

 

[ZuZugal]

And-you just going to allow the working poor to become homeless and ride the rails again like they did 80 years ago? Good luck with that. I happen to believe in generosity and kindness in times of need. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do everything I could to help the country as a whole get through this crisis. That includes paying taxes. You just won't find me yelling about what I 'deserve' when it comes to money.

I believe in helping those who help themselves. Period.

 

[HakunaMatata2]

Where exactly do you think 'the people at the bottom' are going to GET this money you propose they supply? Magic?

'Everyone' IS/ARE going to feel this one. There won't BE money for the social programs you love to hate, that's for sure. We are going to be so close to a Depression rather than a Recession, you might want to forget about saving money for your 'retirement' for a while-btw, how's that workin' for ya right now? My fund's not doing so well.- and look at your current needs to make sure things are shored up for the next few years.

And-you just going to allow the working poor to become homeless and ride the rails again like they did 80 years ago? Good luck with that. I happen to believe in generosity and kindness in times of need. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do everything I could to help the country as a whole get through this crisis. That includes paying taxes. You just won't find me yelling about what I 'deserve' when it comes to money.

Currently, there are social programs to keep anyone from 'riding the rails' again. This is just a scare tactic used by Obama's supporters. There are programs to help feed and clothe children and anyone who is unable to work. There is a point, however, when responsibility for one's own circumstances (excluding those who need to be dependent because of age or illness), needs to kick in. We do not want to reduce help to those that need it, but rather those that just want more of someone else's money.
Why should a taxpayer be made to bail out another person's house because someone has been irresponsible and bought a house that they couldn't afford? Why should the American taxpayer have to pay for someone who ran up credit card debt because they wanted new furniture or a wide screen TV, etc. and are now bankrupt?
Those hard working folks who are being responsible and paying the mortgage on affordable homes are now being told that they might also have to subsidize lower interest rates for those who bought over their heads and might also have to subsidize the principal on those homes, also.
Raising taxes to pay for things like this will discourage growth in this country. Raising taxes on the very rich, who already pay the 2nd highest taxes in the world, will cause jobs to move to other countries. How does this help our economy?
Remember that when questioned about his tax plan, Obama said that he wasn't interested in raising revenue, but instead, wanted to be fair. One would think with all the problems you cite, Obama would want money to deal with them, instead of trying to punish success. He should be encouraging people to strive for success, instead of rewarding the opposite.

 

[HakunaMatata2]

Yeah, so much for Capitalism, we just blew THAT concept right out of the water. I guess you could count the 140billion in bribes to congressmen for their votes as 'capitalism.' lol!! See, I don't understand how people could live in the world today and be so rigidly holding on to 50's economics ideals. I mean, it's a nice thought but it's just not realistic anymore, obviously. Don't get me wrong, I like that we have smatterings of the capitalistic system still floating around. Oh, and it's the 'American Dream' that got us all into this trouble; people wanted 'the dream' and financiers lied to them about how easy it is to get. Are THOSE guys the capitalists you want immulated in future generations? Nah, I think they need to go to jail!!!

It is about time we see more personal responsibility. And, if you want someone to do jail time, you might want to start with Congressman Barney Frank.

 

[Golf4food]

It is about time we see more personal responsibility. And, if you want someone to do jail time, you might want to start with Congressman Barney Frank.

Never happen. Personal responsibility is anathema to the liberal religion. I think one of their pillars is to "shift responsibility to others". Goes along with avoiding giving grades in school so as to not damage self-esteem, etc.

 

[corndog]

Do you not realize that everyone is going to have to pay and pay and pay and pay fot the recent rescue of Wall Street? We haven't even addressed Main Street yet and/or our debt to China. What about the 140billion "PORK" they-the Senate including McCain-tacked on to the rescue bill to bribe congressmen and women to vote for it? Why was "PORK" ok then and not the "pork" of the past that McCain so passionately spoke against in the first debate. Anyway-McCain supporters- your taxes are going up. They are going up and up and up and up. Neither candidate's plan allows for the mess that we're actually in. Whoever wins is going to be VERY unpopular amongst the taxable masses because we're all paying for this one, like it or not.

Do you not realize that everytime tax rates are cut, tax revenues to the treasury increase? After George W. Bush's tax cuts, each year saw double digit percantage increases in tax revenues collected? By comparison, after Bill Clinton's so called "largest tax increase in history", tax revenue collections only went up 5%.

 

[joviroxx]

Good luck with that. I happen to believe in generosity and kindness in times of need. .

I do too, ask my church how much money, time and donations I give to help those in need. But I also think Im better at doing that than the government is.

Are THOSE guys the capitalists you want immulated in future generations? Nah, I think they need to go to jail!!!

And those that didnt take responsibility for the loans the signed for shouldn't be rewarded with my hard earned money, which by the way, I need, to pay my affordable mortage on time like I always do, as well as my credit cards that I don't let get out of line. And lets not mention the ease I put on the public education system by donating my children's share of education funds to them while I work harder to send them to private school.

Do you not realize that everytime tax rates are cut, tax revenues to the treasury increase? After George W. Bush's tax cuts, each year saw double digit percantage increases in tax revenues collected? By comparison, after Bill Clinton's so called "largest tax increase in history", tax revenue collections only went up 5%.

That was my next point.

 

[bsnyder]

Yeah, so much for Capitalism, we just blew THAT concept right out of the water. I guess you could count the 140billion in bribes to congressmen for their votes as 'capitalism.' lol!! See, I don't understand how people could live in the world today and be so rigidly holding on to 50's economics ideals. I mean, it's a nice thought but it's just not realistic anymore, obviously. Don't get me wrong, I like that we have smatterings of the capitalistic system still floating around. Oh, and it's the 'American Dream' that got us all into this trouble; people wanted 'the dream' and financiers lied to them about how easy it is to get. Are THOSE guys the capitalists you want immulated in future generations? Nah, I think they need to go to jail!!!

We haven't blown the concept of capitalism out of the water - what we have blow out of the water is the concept that our government social experiments in the housing and energy sectors of our economies have been anything but an unmitigated disaster for our country and our economy.

Don't get me wrong, I like that we have smartterings of the capitalistic system still floating around

I'm curious, could you expand on this a bit? Why do you like those smatterings still floating around?

 

[gottaluvPluto]

Where exactly do you think 'the people at the bottom' are going to GET this money you propose they supply? Magic?

'Everyone' IS/ARE going to feel this one. There won't BE money for the social programs you love to hate, that's for sure. We are going to be so close to a Depression rather than a Recession, you might want to forget about saving money for your 'retirement' for a while-btw, how's that workin' for ya right now? My fund's not doing so well.- and look at your current needs to make sure things are shored up for the next few years.

And-you just going to allow the working poor to become homeless and ride the rails again like they did 80 years ago? Good luck with that. I happen to believe in generosity and kindness in times of need. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do everything I could to help the country as a whole get through this crisis. That includes paying taxes. You just won't find me yelling about what I 'deserve' when it comes to money.

Most people believe in generosity and helping others in need, we just have different ways of doing it. I believe in helping people learn to read and encouraging them to go to school. Giving them experience and the self worth they deserve so they can support their family. This way, I don't keep handing them money every month; I teach them how to make money and become independent.

If we get more people to see the importance of an education and self worth, we will have a ton of people off welfare. Just handing someone a check every month is not really helping them or our country. Just to clarify, I'm not talking about the disabled.

Iraq is a different story. I believe in this war, but Iraq should pay for part of it.

 

[gottaluvPluto]

Do you not realize that everytime tax rates are cut, tax revenues to the treasury increase? After George W. Bush's tax cuts, each year saw double digit percantage increases in tax revenues collected? By comparison, after Bill Clinton's so called "largest tax increase in history", tax revenue collections only went up 5%.

Let us not forget that one of the reasons the great depression last so long was due to the high taxes. Businesses closed the doors because they were taxes too much and they ended up laying people off.

 

[BuckNaked]

Let us not forget that one of the reasons the great depression last so long was due to the high taxes. Businesses closed the doors because they were taxes too much and they ended up laying people off.

In one of the debates, Sen. Obama actually said something to the effect that he was less interested in increasing revenue than he was in restoring "fairness".

Hmmm...straight from my pocket to the pocket of someone that did zero to earn my money. Yeah, that's fair.

 

[I loveStitchnippyjon]

In one of the debates, Sen. Obama actually said something to the effect that he was less interested in increasing revenue than he was in restoring "fairness".

Hmmm...straight from my pocket to the pocket of someone that did zero to earn my money. Yeah, that's fair.

Yeah, Obama is less interested in increasing revenue than in establishing a socialist state where the government re-distributes what I worked my butt off to earn. Sure, THAT'S fair!