Question for Catholics

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Of course it's biased, from the viewpoint of the person who said it, b/c it is their opinion! And for anyone who doesn't hold that opinion, it would be biased AGAINST their opinion! As to whether it's disparaging towards Catholocism, I don't know the poster, so I can't make that determination without talking to him/her. But I don't think it's fair to call an obvious disagreement necessarily a disparagement, do you?

Title of the thread was "Question for Catholics".

Truthfully coming on here and trying to prove that they are wrong is disparaging.


It's like posting a thread about tips for Universal. Going on repeatedly and pointing out how much they suck--even though it is an opinion you might have--isn't appropriate and comes across as bashing.

You want to debate the merits or non-merits of the church it would be wise to start your own thread.

But EVERY single time a thread is started pertaining to Catholics it descends into debate on what is wrong with the Catholic Church. Yet there is no invitation to debate. I don't get it. Title wasn't Do you think what the CC does regarding suicides is correct---it was what does the Catholic church say.

Poor form and btw--the church is not solo scripture and I have yet detected a single passage in the Bible that suggest that Every single thing Jesus did is contained in the Bible and no more and that nothing else every happened. I'm sure he did much more than can be contained in those pages as unless you can quote specifically each and ever single day of his life is in the Bible---then you cannot prove he did not do more than what it is within the Bible.


OP--I'm sorry for your loss.

 

[sodaseller]

When I disagree, you say I'm bashing.

When I agree, you're not happy either.

But I'm still me, and God loves and forgives.

You're right Joe - that was agreement. Why should I be think you were bashing?

And let me return a similar compliment. I think your recent posts show a bit of reading to the point that you're approaching being minimally informed. Let's hope you keep it up to the point of thoughtfulness sometime in the distant future, to where you won't be as dumb as you were. I hope you will accept that as positive, if you know what I mean.

 

[Sylvester McBean]

It is just that I always enjoy your posts so much and "atheism" drives me absolutely up the wall (like they have some special proof that there isn't a God). I can live with agnostics all day long, you don't believe in God, you don't. No big deal. My beliefs aren't cut and dry about your beliefs. I was kind of teasing, hence the .

I thought about this one and jumped back on. no one has any special proof that there is or is not a being that created the universe. the world is full of cultures and religions that have their own beliefs. I respect them all, even the ones that drank the red kool-aid. (it's your life). I was raised between a Jewish family, a Polish Roman Catholic family, and my mom who had a severe mental illness. she swore to me on an ambulance stretcher in my living room on Christmas night she was going to the hospital to give birth to Jesus.

religion on a growing child can cause havoc. I'm living proof.

 

[GarrettJD]

Should have read through - very well said. Are you also trained in Canon law?

Not trained in anything... just went through a great RCIA class sponsoring my GF, and had a great priest teaching our class. I learned more about my faith in that class that I had learned before in my life at that point. Also, we have a close friend who is a preist, and my brother was in the seminary briefly before he changed his mind and entered youth ministry. We have philosophical religious discussions all the time. He's way smarter than me-- he's the one with the degrees-- I'm just a college dropout.

Frankly, I'm kind of disappointed where this thread has gone... but I understand fully why. Living in Memphis, we don't have too many Catholics here, so I've had to try to explain and defend the Catholic faith on several occasions.

 

[DisneyDotty]

Excuse me for the off topic rant:
Disney Doll and Lisa loves Pooh: Thank you!
I don't know why I even read threads with "Catholic" in the the title--I always end up feeling so defensive and frustrated.
While I certainly agree with others who say everyone is entitled to his/her own beliefs, I'm tired of being told that my beliefs are wrong!

To the OP: Hope your question was answered somewhere in this thread. Again, condolences to you and the family of the victim.

 

[AMcaptured]

I don't know why I am posting again on this topic but I to feel I must comment on something.

I to believe many of the comments in this thread could be catagorized as catholic bashing.

I would never post what I believe is wrong with other religions on a message board yet it seems some people have NO problem claiming that they seem to know what is "wrong" with the catholic church. I just don't get it. We don't sit around my church and talk about what is "wrong" with other faiths, do non catholic churches do this? If they do, WOW, talk about being judgemental!

 

[mickeyfan2]

I would never post what I believe is wrong with other religions on a message board yet it seems some people have NO problem claiming that they seem to know what is "wrong" with the catholic church. I just don't get it. We don't sit around my church and talk about what is "wrong" with other faiths, do non catholic churches do this? If they do, WOW, talk about being judgemental!

I am Catholic too, and I have had people tell me that if I stay Catholic I won't go to heaven. How is that for judgemental.

 

[numbersman]

I don't know why I am posting again on this topic but I to feel I must comment on something.

I to believe many of the comments in this thread could be catagorized as catholic bashing.

I would never post what I believe is wrong with other religions on a message board yet it seems some people have NO problem claiming that they seem to know what is "wrong" with the catholic church. I just don't get it. We don't sit around my church and talk about what is "wrong" with other faiths, do non catholic churches do this? If they do, WOW, talk about being judgemental!

Amazingly enough, Catholics always come out on threads as hating people they perceive as "bashing" their Catholic faith, but they are never shy about "bashing" those who "bash" the Catholic faith. I don't really see a difference, they're both "bashing", so neither is better than the other.

But anyway, just to clarify, if you look back at my posts, I don't believe I ever said that anything is "wrong" with the Catholic church. I simply answered the question from a Biblical perspective, and said that we should be looking to get our answers from the Bible, not from any particular church, Catholic or otherwise. I don't think that's "bashing" the Catholic church at all, or any other church for that matter, that's saying get your answers from the Bible.

 

[cardaway]

But anyway, just to clarify, if you look back at my posts, I don't believe I ever said that anything is "wrong" with the Catholic church. I simply answered the question from a Biblical perspective, and said that we should be looking to get our answers from the Bible, not from any particular church, Catholic or otherwise. I don't think that's "bashing" the Catholic church at all, or any other church for that matter, that's saying get your answers from the Bible.

At least stand behind what you post, don't hide behind a book. You went out of your way to get your word in about Catholics, you can at least be honest about it.

 

[beattyfamily]

Amazingly enough, Catholics always come out on threads as hating people they perceive as "bashing" their Catholic faith, but they are never shy about "bashing" those who "bash" the Catholic faith. I don't really see a difference, they're both "bashing", so neither is better than the other.

I was only going to lurk on this thread but I just had to reply to this comment. Where do you get the idea that any Catholics here, who feels their religion is being attacked and are defending it, are "hating people"?? Hate is a strong word. Yeah, we may feel attacked or insulted or feel the need to defend our religion. Or maybe we're sick of all the anti-Catholic threads BUT that certainly doesn't mean we hate anyone. I don't get where you get that idea from? Has anyone here said they hate you?

You feel bashed now because some Catholics are trying to defend their religion?

Why oh why must every Catholic thread like this, that starts our well intended, take this turn? It's way off what the OP had in mind, IMHO.

 

[sodaseller]

Amazingly enough, Catholics always come out on threads as hating people they perceive as "bashing" their Catholic faith, but they are never shy about "bashing" those who "bash" the Catholic faith. I don't really see a difference, they're both "bashing", so neither is better than the other.

But anyway, just to clarify, if you look back at my posts, I don't believe I ever said that anything is "wrong" with the Catholic church. I simply answered the question from a Biblical perspective, and said that we should be looking to get our answers from the Bible, not from any particular church, Catholic or otherwise. I don't think that's "bashing" the Catholic church at all, or any other church for that matter, that's saying get your answers from the Bible.

For the record, nothing you posted was perceived as a bash. I think we all realize there are doctrinal differences and can discuss those respectively, but some talked about why they left the Catholic Church because it was wrong. Others brought up the sex abuse scandals again. No doubt at least to the latter that criticism is warranted, but it's used in a way to shortcircuit denbate on unrelated issues (like here). But all your posts were respectful

 

[mom2boys]

Forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "Predisposition" in this context?

What I mean by predisposition it that whether I am going to Heaven or Hell is not determined by my actions or what is in my heart. Instead that it is already been decided and there is nothing I can do to change that.
This may or may not be "the" definition of predisposition but you asked what I meant by it.

I need to add that I will not be posting to this thread any more. The OP asked a responible question in a non-offensive matter. Many of us were happy to share our interpurtation of our faith on that issue and others. There are a lot of misconceptions that have been posted here. There are a few here who have twisted the responses and now suddenly those of us who are clarifying our faith are "haters". Not a single Catholic - practicing, cradle, lapsed... has indicated that others aren't entitled to their believes. Your attacks will NEVER cause me question my beliefs.

I am an American citizen. There are men and women sacrificing their lives at this very moment so that I and all Americans can continue to practice the religion of their choice.

 

[numbersman]

At least stand behind what you post, don't hide behind a book. You went out of your way to get your word in about Catholics, you can at least be honest about it.

I stand behind everything I post. I haven't denied posting anything, to my knowledge. Do you think I've denied anything? Sorry if you do. I don't "hide" behind any book, least of all the Bible. I think I've been real clear that I was just saying what the Bible does/does not say about it, and I wanted the focus to be on that, and not about what any particular church believes. I don't see how that is going out of my way to get a word in about Catholics. None of the posts were directed to Catholics in particular, or to you in particular, but the whole board was welcome to see the replies I gave. Seems like you're taking offense and making an issue out of something that didn't happen.

 

[numbersman]

I was only going to lurk on this thread but I just had to reply to this comment. Where do you get the idea that any Catholics here, who feels their religion is being attacked and are defending it, are "hating people"?? Hate is a strong word. Yeah, we may feel attacked or insulted or feel the need to defend our religion. Or maybe we're sick of all the anti-Catholic threads BUT that certainly doesn't mean we hate anyone. I don't get where you get that idea from? Has anyone here said they hate you?

You feel bashed now because some Catholics are trying to defend their religion?

Why oh why must every Catholic thread like this, that starts our well intended, take this turn? It's way off what the OP had in mind, IMHO.

Sorry, "hate" may have been, OK definitely was, the wrong word to use. How about the word "defensive" instead? As I've said, I'm not attacking anyone's particular religion, just saying what I believe the Bible says. I don't think any of my posts could be considered "attacking" in any way. I think I've been quite respectful, myself. I don't feel bashed at all. I don't really care if I'm bashed or not. My only point was that the same people who often say don't bash the Catholics, meaning don't publicly disagree with what they believe or what is written, are often quite quick to turn around and disagree themselves with what someone else says. I think the term "bashing" is used quite loosely on these boards, in my opinion, when all there really are are "disagreements" and "differing opinions." Isn't that what a discussion board is about, especially if it can be kept respectful??

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Catholics do not believe in Predisposition. Your faith apparently does & that is fine for you. You are free to believe what you choose & I wil believe what I choose. Please don't try to convince me that your beliefs are any more true than mine. Guess we will all have to wait until death to find out whether or not our beliefs are accurate.

What in the world is Predisposition?? Nevermind, now I see your definition. My Bible-based faith does NOT believe in "Predisposition. Our fate is NOT decided beforehand. That is entirely contrary to the Bible and Jesus' death on the cross. Each ONE of us decides our fate by the decision to accept what Jesus did on the cross or not. How you got that from by posts that I believe in "Predisposition" is beyond me.

I'm just going by what the Bible says. And, I'm glad the "mom" in the OP is going to heaven.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

You're right Joe - that was agreement. Why should I be think you were bashing?

And let me return a similar compliment. I think your recent posts show a bit of reading to the point that you're approaching being minimally informed. Let's hope you keep it up to the point of thoughtfulness sometime in the distant future, to where you won't be as dumb as you were. I hope you will accept that as positive, if you know what I mean.

You know what they say about faint praise.....

Anyway, your insults won't change me.

 

[DisneyDotty]

I think I've been real clear that I was just saying what the Bible does/does not say about it, and I wanted the focus to be on that, and not about what any particular church believes. I don't see how that is going out of my way to get a word in about Catholics.

However, that's not what the OP asked for. She specifically asked for the "strict Catholic policy" regarding whether suicide victims go to heaven. Perhaps if you would like a different "focus," you should start a new thread.

 

[numbersman]

However, that's not what the OP asked for. She specifically asked for the "strict Catholic policy" regarding whether suicide victims go to heaven. Perhaps if you would like a different "focus," you should start a new thread.

Hmmm, you are correct, what I said was not a direct answer to the OP's question, since I'm not Catholic and don't know their specific rules on this.

I'll gracefully bow out, then.

 

[CapeCodTenor]

First let me say that I'm not a Catholic, so unfortunately I have nothing to add...except to say that I will keep this family in my prayers.

BTW - a neighbor, father of 6, committed suicide about 10 yrs ago. Not sure what denomination, but his Christian minister gave the fire & brimstone sermon announcing to the congreation, including the man's children that he would burn in hell for all eternity.

At this, I would have been mortified at this. I would have, and this is just me, told the priest to go to hell, sorry for the language, that struck a nerve, if he did that at one of my family members funerals. That's just Inexcusable. The priest should have consoled the family, not make them feel any worse.

 

[mickeyfan2]

The priest should have consoled the family, not make them feel any worse.

The comment was about a minister NOT a Priest. So why the Priest comment?