Question about transfering points?

[Stimpy]

We own at BCV and my parents are thinking about buying at SS. My mother asked if she could transfer points to us from time to time. I told her she could. My question is, if she transfers points to our account do those transfered points still follow the 11 month/7month rule?

If I wanted to make reservations at BCV with our own points at the 11 month point, do I have to wait until the 7 month point to use the SS points that were transfered to us for that ressie at BCV?

Does that make any sense??

 

[pumpkinboy]

Since thye SSR points have a different home resort than your BCV points, Yes, you would have to wait for the 7 month mark to use the SSR points for a BCV ressie. Perhaps you could use them for the weekend nights, which sometimes take longer to fill up.

 

[Stimpy]

Thanks for the quick response! That's what I thought but I just wanted to be sure before giving my parents the info.

Thanks for the suggestion about the weekend points! I never would have thought of that and will definately keep it in mind!

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

pumpkinboy is correct but to make the story longer, transfered points have be known to lose their original resort's identity after they have been transfered. This happned to us a couple of years ago when I had some BCV points transfered into my VWL account. I called up to make the BCV reservations at 11 months and was told I had t wait until 7 months because all I had was VWL points. I got it fixed after talking to a manager but if it happened to you, you may not want it fixed.

This is one of the flaws in DVC's computer system that I'm sure they are working on. Maybe they have already fixed it.

HBC

 

[Dean]

While the rules say transferred points retain their original home resort and use year, in reality this is only partly true. The computer system can't track it so they actually become the home resort of the account their transferred into. They can track it manually and force the old home resort but that won't work for something you need to book day by day. I'd refrain from transferring points unless you have no other choice OR you want to try to get around the system and have them become the same home resort as the destination account.

 

[DisneyHumbug]

My DD and her friend are going to OKW next week. The friend's Mom and I are splitting the points and I need to transfer my points into her account. I own VWL and BCV and she owns BWV. So am I understanding this correct, that whatever points I transfer to her will end up being BWV? It's really silly for her to end up with only 16 BCV or VWL points.

 

[idratherbeinwdw]

Originally posted by DisneyHumbug
My DD and her friend are going to OKW next week. The friend's Mom and I are splitting the points and I need to transfer my points into her account. I own VWL and BCV and she owns BWV. So am I understanding this correct, that whatever points I transfer to her will end up being BWV? It's really silly for her to end up with only 16 BCV or VWL points.

They can do a manual transfer to be sure the points maintain the original use year and resort. Otherwise yes, the friend's mom will end up with BCV or VWL points (and whatever your use year is).

Case in point--I own at BWV. REcently had some points transferred from an OKW member. The points transferred to me became BWV points with my use year. This was fine for me, it's what I wanted actually. But if you want something else speak to MS and be sure they do the transfer manually.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by DisneyHumbug
My DD and her friend are going to OKW next week. The friend's Mom and I are splitting the points and I need to transfer my points into her account. I own VWL and BCV and she owns BWV. So am I understanding this correct, that whatever points I transfer to her will end up being BWV? It's really silly for her to end up with only 16 BCV or VWL points.

That's the way it's been working but it could change tomorrow. Besides, at 7 months out, points are points and she could use them for anything she wanted.

 

[Cora]

I thought there was also a limitation on the number of times you can transfer. It may be limited to 1 time per year. I bet Dean knows the answer.
Cora

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Cora
I thought there was also a limitation on the number of times you can transfer. It may be limited to 1 time per year. I bet Dean knows the answer.
Cora

This used to be the case, 1 per year IN or OUT. Now it's unlimited in ONE direction per USE YEAR.

 

[disneyberry]

Originally posted by idratherbeinwdw
Case in point--I own at BWV. REcently had some points transferred from an OKW member. The points transferred to me became BWV points with my use year.

<font face="times" size="+0">Please be careful about the points being converted to your Use Year. That may not actually be the case. While the badly-designed MS system does seem to have trouble tracking home resort, I believe it has usually been pretty consistent about tracking if the transferred points are a different Use Year than your Use Year.
Of course the only time this really matters is when it comes to banking transferred points.
Also, it's likely that you probably do not have a full 12 months use of those points.

Here is an excerpt from my Points Transfer post (reference link in my sig for more info) that illustrates what I mean:

<i>If the Transferrer and Recipient do not have matching Use Years, then the Recipient will not have a full year (12mos) of use out of the Transferred Points. This is because when the Transfer is performed, MS will ask the Recipient to choose which Use Year they want the points Transferred into. Example: Transferrer has a Sep UY, Recipient has a Apr UY. If the transfer is done today Jan04, and the Transferror wants to Transfer out Sep03 points, then the Recipient has a choice to receive points into their Apr03 UY (making the points only valid from 9/1/03 to 3/31/04) OR their Apr04 UY (making the points only valid from 4/1/04 to 8/31/04).</i></font>

 

[Doctor P]

Actually, disneyberry, that has NOT been the way that the system has actually worked it seems. In your example, if the transferee chose the April 04 use year, the way the system seems to be working they would still have till March 31, 2005 to use the points. The system that MS has for tracking points has been unable, thus far, to be able to track the fact that those points are actually September use year points and they become undistinguishable from the other points the member has. This seems to be a major glitch, IMHO. When you add the banking element in, most members COULD have more than a year to use the points under most circumstances.

 

[idratherbeinwdw]

Originally posted by disneyberry
<font face="times" size="+0">Please be careful about the points being converted to your Use Year. That may not actually be the case. While the badly-designed MS system does seem to have trouble tracking home resort, I believe it has usually been pretty consistent about tracking if the transferred points are a different Use Year than your Use Year.

While I do agree all members should "be careful" I am 100% sure that the points transferred to my account took on my use year. I would not have been able to make a very recent ressie if that was not the case.

I had no current points of my own, totally into the borrowing mode, but I had 30 pts transferred from another member so I'd have enough for a 2BR in October 2005. I was all ready to bank the transferred points so I could use them for the ressie I just referred to, but there was no need to. When I called MS I said something like "I think I may have to bank some points" and the reply was "No, you still have 30 current points from your 2004 use year".

I have a December UY, so I can use my 2004 points for trips from 12/1/04-11/30/05. The transferred points were June 2004 points, which, theoretically should only be good for trips until May 31 2004 unless banked. As I said, the trip I reserved was for 10/05. So clearly they took on my use year (and my home resort too, because I was able to use them at the 11 month window).

So I can agree that we should all watch out for ourselves, but I don't agree that UY is commonly tracked when getting transfers. Although I guess I could have just been lucky, I've read a number of stories like mine here on these boards.

Here's a good question--Anyone transfer points and NOT have them convert to your home resort/use year? The only posts I have seen up until now regarding this issue have stated that MS had to actually make a special notation and do the transaction by hand. Anyone have it done "right" automatically?

 

[disneyberry]

Originally posted by idratherbeinwdw
While I do agree all members should "be careful" I am 100% sure that the points transferred to my account took on my use year. I would not have been able to make a very recent ressie if that was not the case.
(snip)
So I can agree that we should all watch out for ourselves, but I don't agree that UY is commonly tracked when getting transfers. Although I guess I could have just been lucky, I've read a number of stories like mine here on these boards.

Here's a good question--Anyone transfer points and NOT have them convert to your home resort/use year? The only posts I have seen up until now regarding this issue have stated that MS had to actually make a special notation and do the transaction by hand. Anyone have it done "right" automatically?

<font face="times" size="+0">idratherbeinwdw, I get the feeling that you may have been offended somehow by my post? I was only trying to be helpful by suggesting that perhaps a verification of the points status might be something to do. I'm sincerely sorry if maybe I worded it in a way that caused misinterpretation of my intent.

The example I wrote up in the Transfer 101 thread was based on reports that were posted here on the DIS from 2001 through 2002. At the time I typed up the thread, I indeed had no first hand experience with <i>receiving</i> transferred points from another member. Last year I had only done an outgoing transfer to another member. However, this year, I received an incoming transfer from another member, and two different CMs at MS very clearly told me that they were not converted to my Use Year after they were put into my account, and that I would have limited use of the points during only the overlapping months (as in the example). Those points did seem to be converted to my home resort though.

The major problem once again with transfers is that often times one CM at MS will tell you one thing, and a different CM will tell you another thing, regardless of what the written transfer rules in the POS are. So, that is why I worry about what the true status of points is. Hope this helps clear up any misunderstanding. </font>

 

[Dean]

There have been reports of transfers working both ways. It seems that the usual has been that they do become the use year and home resort of the destination contract. Both contrary to the way it's supposed to be.

 

[Happy Birthday Cat]

The one time I transferred points into my account (as I explained in this post already) they became home resort points from my home resort and not the ones they were supposed to be.

But they did keep their original use year. It was clearly indicated on the point print out I requested from Disney. So they do have a way of tracking that. It may just be that it isn't always done corrcetly. Either because the person doing the transfer doesn't know the proper procedure or because it is just overlooked.

My bet is that they won't fix this little glitch in the system because so few people know about it and to fix a problem that effects so few people just isn't cost effective and/or necessary. If they ever move to a new system, it is probably on the list of stuff to get dealt with.

HBC