Question about FMLA

LadyyRedd

<font color=red>Someone stole my toothpaste/Chapst
Joined
Jan 6, 2004
Messages
6,999
Just wondering if anyone knows.

I was under the impression that federal law requires (covered) employers to grant (eligible) employees up to 12 weeks of UNPAID leave under the FMLA.

I have been out for 2 weeks on Short Term Disability for surgery I had and will be going back tomorrow.

I was re-reading some paperwork and it says that my employer requires I use paid leave to cover any FMLA days.

Can they require that I use my paid time? Can they require it only if I have the paid time accrued to use? Are they required to allow me to take it unpaid if I don't have the accrued leave?

NOTE: My company is a covered employer and I'm an eligible employee, so that should not factor into this.

Kimya
 
at my company you have to use 1 full week of PTO (paid time off, this is for short term illness, holidays and vacation )time and then you have to use your EIB (extended illness bank, if you leave company there is no value to this). If you use all this up, then you can be unpaid. Also, while on FMLA you have to come in and pay them for your health insurance costs.

this is from the dept of labor:
Employees may choose to use, or employers may require the employee to use, accrued paid leave to cover some or all of the FMLA leave taken. Employees may choose, or employers may require, the substitution of accrued paid vacation or personal leave for any of the situations covered by FMLA. The substitution of accrued sick or family leave is limited by the employer's policies governing the use of such leave.
 
What if the employee does not have enough paid time accrued? Is the employee still covered under FMLA to take it as unpaid?

I've read through the links, but still can't find the answer and was hoping maybe there was a person here familiar with how it works that could answer.

Kimya
 

at ours you have to use all your PTO days then FMLA will kick in.
 
at ours you have to use all your PTO days then FMLA will kick in.

I would say that means you have to use your PTO concurrently with FMLA - it would be paid until the PTO runs out and unpaid for the rest.
 
I would say that means you have to use your PTO concurrently with FMLA - it would be paid until the PTO runs out and unpaid for the rest.

I'm pretty sure that's how it is too, I just can't find it in writing to confirm!

I don't have any accrued right now (used the rest for my hand surgery in June, my hospital stay in June and the last couple towards the first 5 days of this surgery leave since STD Doesn't kick in until the 6th day) and my company doesn't allow you to take unpaid days, as a rule of thumb. I just want to make sure they can't deny me to take unpaid days under FMLA if I do not have any accrued leave left to use.

Kimya
 
I believe the law states that you must use all of your paid time off before being granted FMLA. I would speak with your human resource professional at work to confirm this.
 
at my work, your leave is granted. The first week is paid by PTO if you have it. If you do not its upaid. The next 11 weeks is paid by your EIB time. If you only have 2 weeks of EIB you would have 2 paid weeks and 9 weeks unpaid.
 
Another thing to consider is that some states have laws which expand FMLA. You might want to look into those, too.

My interpretation would be that even though you have no more PTO, you would still be entitled to FMLA leave. Did they apply your previous leave to the 12 weeks of FMLA?
 
Another thing to consider is that some states have laws which expand FMLA. You might want to look into those, too.

My interpretation would be that even though you have no more PTO, you would still be entitled to FMLA leave. Did they apply your previous leave to the 12 weeks of FMLA?

I would assume so.

STD kicks in on the 6th day. You have to use leave for the first 5, of which I had 2 days, so 3 would be unpaid. I'm assuming those 5 days (2 paid, 3 unpaid), would fall under FMLA.

The VP did grant me an exception to use a couple days unpaid time off (this was before the FMLA claim was opened, which, apparently, our STD company automatically opens when you file an STD claim) because my former supervisor approved it (apparently he wasn't supposed to, but did). Though he left the company 3 weeks ago and now they are acting like it's my fault, but I did not find out until the day before my surgery that I could not take unpaid days.

I had originally anticipated going back to work on Monday, but ended up being out a week and a half longer (which is what my dr wanted me to do originally anyway) because I discovered that I'm not Super Woman after all. :lmao:

Kimya
 
You are entitled to 12 weeks off work without repercussions to your job. You usually are required to use paid time off first and then the rest of your leave is unpaid. For example, you have 4 weeks of sick and vacation time, this will be paid out to you for those 4 weeks and then the remaining 8 weeks is unpaid leave. They cannot give away your position during this time, after 12 weeks, they have the option of holding your job for you or telling you if you don't come back they will give your position away. It is really a safety net for keeping your position while you are out.

Remember,it is 12 weeks per YEAR not incident. It is usually on a rolling year also, so if I go out today then I am not entitled to another 12 weeks until this day in one year. They can give my position away if they do desire if for whatever reason I have to go back out after using 12 weeks off.
 
Direct from the Department of Labor website:

Covered employers must grant an eligible employee up to a total of 12 workweeks of unpaid leave during any 12-month period for one or more of the following reasons:

*for the birth and care of the newborn child of the employee;
*for placement with the employee of a son or daughter for adoption or foster care;
*to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent) with a serious health condition; or
*to take medical leave when the employee is unable to work because of a serious health condition.



More info, still from the same site:


The Family and Medical Leave Act

The Family and Medical Leave Act ("FMLA") provides certain employees with up to 12 workweeks of unpaid, job-protected leave a year, and requires group health benefits to be maintained during the leave as if employees continued to work instead of taking leave.


And more, which is basically the info that is on the posters we have hanging at work from the Dept. of Labor

The FMLA allows employees to balance their work and family life by taking reasonable unpaid leave for certain family and medical reasons. The FMLA seeks to accomplish these purposes in a manner that accommodates the legitimate interests of employers, and minimizes the potential for employment discrimination on the basis of gender, while promoting equal employment opportunity for men and women.

Employer Coverage

FMLA applies to all:

public agencies, including State, local and Federal employers, and local education agencies (schools); and,
private sector employers who employ 50 or more employees for at least 20 workweeks in the current or preceding calendar year - including joint employers and successors of covered employers.
For FMLA purposes, most Federal and Congressional employees are under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management (OPM) or the Congress.

Employee Eligibility

To be eligible for FMLA leave, an employee must work for a covered employer and:

have worked for that employer for at least 12 months; and
have worked at least 1,250 hours during the 12 months prior to the start of the FMLA leave; and,
work at a location where at least 50 employees are employed at the location or within 75 miles of the location.
Leave Entitlement

A covered employer must grant an eligible employee up to a total of 12 workweeks of unpaid leave in a 12 month period for one or more of the following reasons:

for the birth of a son or daughter, and to care for the newborn child;
for the placement with the employee of a child for adoption or foster care, and to care for the newly placed child;
to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent — but not a parent "in-law") with a serious health condition; and
when the employee is unable to work because of a serious health condition.
Leave to care for a newborn child or for a newly placed child must conclude within 12 months after the birth or placement. (See CFR Section 825.201)

Spouses employed by the same employer may be limited to a combined total of 12 workweeks of family leave for the following reasons:

birth and care of a child;
for the placement of a child for adoption or foster care, and to care for the newly placed child; and,
to care for an employee's parent who has a serious health condition.
Intermittent/Reduced Schedule Leave

The FMLA permits employees to take leave on an intermittent basis or to work a reduced schedule under certain circumstances. CFR Section 203)

Intermittent/reduced schedule leave may be taken when medically necessary to care for a seriously ill family member, or because of the employee's serious health condition.
Intermittent/reduced schedule leave may be taken to care for a newborn or newly placed adopted or foster care child only with the employer's approval.
Only the amount of leave actually taken while on intermittent/reduced schedule leave may be charged as FMLA leave. Employees may not be required to take more FMLA leave than necessary to address the circumstances that cause the need for leave. Employers may account for FMLA leave in the shortest period of time that their payroll systems use, provided it is one hour or less. (See CFR Section 825-205)

Employees needing intermittent/reduced schedule leave for foreseeable medical treatment must work with their employers to schedule the leave so as not to unduly disrupt the employer's operations, subject to the approval of the employee's health care provider. In such cases, the employer may transfer the employee temporarily to an alternative job with equivalent pay and benefits that accommodates recurring periods of leave better than the employee's regular job.

Substitution of Paid Leave

Employees may choose to use, or employers may require the employee to use, accrued paid leave to cover some or all of the FMLA leave taken. Employees may choose, or employers may require, the substitution of accrued paid vacation or personal leave for any of the situations covered by FMLA. The substitution of accrued sick or family leave is limited by the employer's policies governing the use of such leave.
Serious Health Condition

"Serious health condition" means an illness, injury, impairment, or physical or mental condition that involves:

any period of incapacity or treatment connected with inpatient care (i.e., an overnight stay) in a hospital, hospice, or residential medical care facility; or
a period of incapacity requiring absence of more than three calendar days from work, school, or other regular daily activities that also involves continuing treatment by (or under the supervision of) a health care provider; or
any period of incapacity due to pregnancy, or for prenatal care; or
any period of incapacity (or treatment therefore) due to a chronic serious health condition (e.g., asthma, diabetes, epilepsy, etc.); or
a period of incapacity that is permanent or long-term due to a condition for which treatment may not be effective (e.g., Alzheimer's, stroke, terminal diseases, etc.); or,
any absences to receive multiple treatments (including any period of recovery therefrom) by, or on referral by, a health care provider for a condition that likely would result in incapacity of more than three consecutive days if left untreated (e.g., chemotherapy, physical therapy, dialysis, etc.).
Medical Certification

An employer may require that the need for leave for a serious health condition of the employee or the employee's immediate family member be supported by a certification issued by a health care provider. The employer must allow the employee at least 15 calendar days to obtain the medical certification.

An employer may, at its own expense, require the employee to obtain a second medical certification from a health care provider. The employer may choose the health care provider for the second opinion, except that in most cases the employer may not regularly contract with or otherwise regularly use the services of the health care provider. If the opinions of the employee's and the employer's designated health care providers differ, the employer may require the employee to obtain certification from a third health care provider, again at the employer's expense. This third opinion shall be final and binding. The third health care provider must be approved jointly by the employer and the employee. The "Certification of Health Care Provider" (optional form WH-380)

Health Care Provider

Health care providers who may provide certification of a serious health condition include:

doctors of medicine or osteopathy authorized to practice medicine or surgery (as appropriate) by the State in which the doctor practices;
podiatrists, dentists, clinical psychologists, optometrists, and chiropractors (limited to treatment consisting of manual manipulation of the spine to correct a subluxation as demonstrated by X-ray to exist) authorized to practice in the State and performing within the scope of their practice under State law;
nurse practitioners, nurse-midwives, and clinical social workers authorized to practice under State law and performing within the scope of their practice as defined under State law;
Christian Science practitioners listed with the First Church of Christ, Scientist in Boston, Massachusetts;
any health care provider recognized by the employer or the employer's group health plan's benefits manager; and,
a health care provider listed above who practices in a country other than the United States and who is authorized to practice under the laws of that country.
Maintenance of Health Benefits

A covered employer is required to maintain group health insurance coverage, including family coverage, for an employee on FMLA leave on the same terms as if the employee continued to work.

Where appropriate, arrangements will need to be made for employees taking unpaid FMLA leave to pay their share of health insurance premiums. For example, if the group health plan involves co-payments by the employer and the employee, an employee on unpaid FMLA leave must make arrangements to pay his or her normal portion of the insurance premiums to maintain insurance coverage, as must the employer. Such payments may be made under any arrangement voluntarily agreed to by the employer and employee.

An employer's obligation to maintain health benefits under FMLA stops if and when an employee informs the employer of an intent not to return to work at the end of the leave period, or if the employee fails to return to work when the FMLA leave entitlement is exhausted. The employer's obligation also stops if the employee's premium payment is more than 30 days late and the employer has given the employee written notice at least 15 days in advance advising that coverage will cease if payment is not received.

In some circumstances, the employer may recover premiums it paid to maintain health insurance coverage for an employee who fails to return to work from FMLA leave.

Other Benefits

Other benefits, including cash payments chosen by the employee instead of group health insurance coverage, need not be maintained during periods of unpaid FMLA leave.

Certain types of earned benefits, such as seniority or paid leave, need not continue to accrue during periods of unpaid FMLA leave provided that such benefits do not accrue for employees on other types of unpaid leave. For other benefits, such as elected life insurance coverage, the employer and the employee may make arrangements to continue benefits during periods of unpaid FMLA leave. An employer may elect to continue such benefits to ensure that the employee will be eligible to be restored to the same benefits upon returning to work. At the conclusion of the leave, the employer may recover only the employee's share of premiums it paid to maintain other "non-health" benefits during unpaid FMLA leave.

Job Restoration

Upon return from FMLA leave, an employee must be restored to his or her original job, or to an "equivalent" job, which means virtually identical to the original job in terms of pay, benefits, and other employment terms and conditions.

In addition, an employee's use of FMLA leave cannot result in the loss of any employment benefit that the employee earned or was entitled to before using (but not necessarily during) FMLA leave.

"Key" Employee Exception

Under limited circumstances where restoration to employment will cause "substantial and grievous economic injury" to its operations, an employer may refuse to reinstate certain highly-paid, salaried "key" employees. In order to do so, the employer must notify the employee in writing of his/her status as a "key" employee (as defined by FMLA), the reasons for denying job restoration, and provide the employee a reasonable opportunity to return to work after so notifying the employee.

 
So to answer your question, yes, they can require you to use your sick and vacation time. She the bolded info in my post above.
 
So to answer your question, yes, they can require you to use your sick and vacation time. She the bolded info in my post above.

Correct, I did read that. My question was now can they refuse me or penalize me from using FMLA if I'm out of accrued paid time.

Kimya
 
When I had my son almost 2 years ago, my first 8 weeks were paid by my medical leave, then FMLA kicked in, but I still had to use all my vacation/personal time. So basically, I could take 90 days off, but it wasn't in addition to my medical leave and my vacation personal days.

I think it basically is there to "hold" a job for you. And your employeer is not even required to hold your specific job, just one at your same level and pay.
 
Correct, I did read that. My question was now can they refuse me or penalize me from using FMLA if I'm out of accrued paid time.

Kimya

I think we agree that the answer is no. If they did that, they would be violating FMLA (assuming you are eligible, which you are, and they are a covered employer). The only exception would be if you have already used 12 weeks over the past year, therefore using up all your FMLA. Some of your previous PTO may have been applied to the 12 weeks.
 
The "up to 12 weeks" is the tricky part.

I believe that the law is that they must hold the job for you or their needs to be a position for you to return to at the same rate of pay. But it would be UNPAID leave if you have used all your accrued time.

And I think that your doctor needs to complete some form to indicate that the injury, illness, etc. falls under FMLA.
 
I really appreciate everyone's help.

This is the first time I've ever used FMLA - hence all the questions!

I have been out of work 2 weeks, going back tomorrow. I don't anticipate needing to take any more time off for this issue, but just wanted to make sure that, by law, I can take unpaid time if I need to - ie, dr's appt or follow up to the surgery or if I have a complication stemming from the surgery - since I don't have the paid time to take and our company does not "allow" unpaid time when you exhaust your accrued paid time off.

Kimya
 










Receive up to $1,000 in Onboard Credit and a Gift Basket!
That’s right — when you book your Disney Cruise with Dreams Unlimited Travel, you’ll receive incredible shipboard credits to spend during your vacation!
CLICK HERE














DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter

Back
Top