Queen Elizabeth funeral and looking forward

[Karin1984]

Uh oh, there was a mistake made with the Danish royals, they had interpreted the invitation that the crown prince could take a +1. So they had confirmed for 3 people, Queen, crown prince + wife. Apparently the Brits had to tell them later: oops, sorry. No +1 for Denmark.

The Daily Mail was quick to point out that the Netherlands and Spain could/did bring a third person.

 

[mousefan73]

I just read that King Charles is now flying up to Scotland for private grieving time.
Much deserved after a job extraordinarily well-done.

yes private morning period that is official. No royal engagement until next Tuesday.. They all deserve a break.

 

[Kitty 34]

I just read that King Charles is now flying up to Scotland for private grieving time.
Much deserved after a job extraordinarily well-done.

Well deserved!

Just want to jump back on here and thank everyone for their knowledge and perspectives of this past week. It was very helpful to me.

 

[mousefan73]

Uh oh, there was a mistake made with the Danish royals, they had interpreted the invitation that the crown prince could take a +1. So they had confirmed for 3 people, Queen, crown prince + wife. Apparently the Brits had to tell them later: oops, sorry. No +1 for Denmark.

The Daily Mail was quick to point out that the Netherlands and Spain could/did bring a third person.

Spain is family via the Duke of Edinburgh. All originate from the exiled Greeks... Netherlands is kinda of an exception.. They basically have two queens.. one just retired.. Mary is "just" crown princess

 

[Karin1984]

Spain is family via the Duke of Edinburgh. All originate from the exiled Greeks... Netherlands is kinda of an exception.. They basically have two queens.. one just retired.. Mary is "just" crown princess

Could be, strange that the Daily Mail didn't find out why the exception

For the record, we have 1 queen. When you abdicate you loose that title and become princess again.

 

[slo]

DH and I watched everything I DVRd last night and I have no words to describe how incredibly moved and impressed I am/was with what I watched. I am so glad we took the time to watch this - I will never forget this day and moment.

As we were watching I was looking up different things to learn a little of what we were watching. Thank goodness for smartphones to make doing this easy.

To our friends that live in England - your countries traditions are so rich in history and I love how these traditions are still used today. Your Queen was an amazing lady - she will never be forgotten and may she Rest In Peace.

 

[SirDuff]

oops that was a typo I corrected my post.. I didnt mean to add US, but htat canada had more people, which makes sense.

Sorry, I was being a smart alec there Yes, it does make sense (and nice to se the RCMP lead the procession).

 

[jo-jo]

The Secret Service has the power to veto Biden's travel plans if they feel that he would be at an unacceptable level of risk. They essentially said that the only way he can come is if we can protect him in our usual way, and the UK gave permission.

Of course, his 17-vehicle motorcade apparently got stuck in traffic this morning, which made him late for his seating time for the funeral.

Was it really 17 vehicles? I have no idea, just wanted to check .

 

[AppleDumpling]

That’s the same in all High Anglican Churches and Cathedrals. The area the choir sits in is generally referred to as the quire.

St. George’s Chapel like Westminster Abbey and St. Paul’s Cathedral (and many older Anglican churches) are gothic style buildings built in the shape of the cross. The sectioning of the church go back to a time when there were distinctions in classes amoung the parishioners.
With the more common folk sitting in the nave and the upper class and gentrified sitting nearer the alter.. the choir almost always flanks the centre aisle.

Thanks for the information. I have visited Westminster Abbey and knew about the separated sections and the cross configuration. However, the main feature that stands out to me is how the seating all faces the center aisle. Every other church or cathedral I’ve been in, of any denomination, in the US or abroad, has the seats/pews facing forward towards the altar. Don’t know if that difference has to do with the Anglican Church or the age of the architecture.

 

[Moliphino]

Thanks for the information. I have visited Westminster Abbey and knew about the separated sections and the cross configuration. However, the main feature that stands out to me is how the seating all faces the center aisle. Every other church or cathedral I’ve been in, of any denomination, in the US or abroad, has the seats/pews facing forward towards the altar. Don’t know if that difference has to do with the Anglican Church or the age of the architecture.

It may have just been set up that way for the funeral.

 

[Jangles]

It may have just been set up that way for the funeral.

I think that in times gone past, the noble people and gentry sat in the quire, facing each other, often with named seats and the riffraff sat facing the altar.

 

[SirDuff]

It may have just been set up that way for the funeral.

I've been in churches (Christchurch in Oxford, for example) that had the same seating where we faced the aisle. Also for a funeral actually, but we were in pews/fixed seats, so it's not like they changed for that funeral (the one I was at, not the Queen's).

 

[ronandannette]

I don't think that we had more US delegates (though I guess Sandra Oh can be counted as both).

Though apparently JT has started a scandal after a video of leak of a karaoke party a couple of days before the funeral (apparently, he should have solemn the entire time). Having heard him sing (we went to camp together as kids), I suspect the bigger insult was to people's ears

“Established in 1967 by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, the Order of Canada is the cornerstone of the Canadian Honours System and recognizes outstanding achievement, dedication to the community, and service to the nation. The Order recognizes people in all sectors of Canadian society. Their contributions are varied, yet they have all enriched the lives of others and made a difference to this country.”

Sandra Oh was part of a delegation of Order of Canada recipients; I’m not sure what criteria was used to choose them. The Bohemian Rhapsody thing hardly approaches scandal-level (and we should know), just one more cringy incident we could have done without. I hope it evaporates very quickly so we can go back to feeling pride at the dignity the Mounties represented us with.

 

[mousefan73]

Thanks for the information. I have visited Westminster Abbey and knew about the separated sections and the cross configuration. However, the main feature that stands out to me is how the seating all faces the center aisle. Every other church or cathedral I’ve been in, of any denomination, in the US or abroad, has the seats/pews facing forward towards the altar. Don’t know if that difference has to do with the Anglican Church or the age of the architecture.

I had to google as I only knew that this is a sign that the church was at some point a catholic monestary or Abbey. Google then told me that Westminster was at one point an abbey. here nuns, monks would literally pray and chant all day so it was not only for mass but for gatherings. hench facing each other vs alter

Wills and Kate's wedding was also center facing

 

[SirDuff]

“Established in 1967 by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, the Order of Canada is the cornerstone of the Canadian Honours System and recognizes outstanding achievement, dedication to the community, and service to the nation. The Order recognizes people in all sectors of Canadian society. Their contributions are varied, yet they have all enriched the lives of others and made a difference to this country.”

Sandra Oh was part of a delegation of Order of Canada recipients; I’m not sure what criteria was used to choose them.

Yes, I know that about Sandra Oh. But she's a dual citizen, so I was just saying that she could be counted as a US delegate within the Canadian delegation (which the post I quoted had original (due to a typo) said).

 

[Praying Colonel]

Financial Times reporters did an experiment to see if they could buy into the queue at various points along the way. Here's the article:

https://www.ft.com/content/ecf50b47-4e1a-4cef-ba38-e4eff0ae33a9

 

[dvcgirl67]

Sorry you couldn't follow along with everyone here today live. I figured you were working.

I think back to that morning 11 days ago when I was on my early morning walk and listening to the radio as I normally do, and I heard they were "concerned for her health". I got a chill and knew this was likely going to be it. I'm glad we had a place here to all come together and share our feelings about the enormity of it all.

I hope everyone comes back together here when it's time for the Coronation.

Is there any word yet on when the Coronation will take place? This will be an interesting period to watch as the U.K. (and really most of the western world) is moving into a period of tough economic circumstances that will likely cover the better part or all of next year. With that in mind I would bet that Charles will need to keep his celebration on the smaller side as these things go. It won't be considered good form to throw a huge expensive party while the majority of the country is having to pinch pennies. But waiting too long probably isn't a good idea either.

 

[Disneefun]

Is there any word yet on when the Coronation will take place? This will be an interesting period to watch as the U.K. (and really most of the western world) is moving into a period of tough economic circumstances that will likely cover the better part or all of next year. With that in mind I would bet that Charles will need to keep his celebration on the smaller side as these things go. It won't be considered good form to throw a huge expensive party while the majority of the country is having to pinch pennies. But waiting too long probably isn't a good idea either.

My guess is late spring/early summer. We're headed into the holidays now, so that's not a great time. Plus it's likely "too soon." Winter weather is crap, so probably not then. I read somewhere where he already said he would go smaller than his mother, but small is probably still a big deal.

I did read an article saying that William would probably not have a formal investiture as Prince of Wales. It isn't required and with the financial situation, it's probably a good idea to skip it. Plus, the piece said it wasn't the sort of thing William would even be likely to want.

 

[jf256]

My guess is late spring/early summer. We're headed into the holidays now, so that's not a great time. Plus it's likely "too soon." Winter weather is crap, so probably not then. I read somewhere where he already said he would go smaller than his mother, but small is probably still a big deal.

I did read an article saying that William would probably not have a formal investiture as Prince of Wales. It isn't required and with the financial situation, it's probably a good idea to skip it. Plus, the piece said it wasn't the sort of thing William would even be likely to want.

Charles has confirmed that he will modernise the monarchy starting with a much smaller coronation and stamping down on non-working royal requirements, expenses etc. So I think this is inevitable.
If it were William taking the throne people would be far more okay with a grand affair but he knows that he is not that popular amongst the people and a huge coronation and security bill is not something that people will be okay with.

He is clearly using his time as monarch to set William up in a more secure position as there are many people in the UK who do not want the monarchy to continue and there is no way it can continue in its current format which relied heavily on the love people had for Elizabeth.

A smaller working royal family and limits on what non-working royals will receive will reduce costs dramatically for example, while still providing the benefits of a royal family to the UK. Thus securing his sons, and grandsons' future.

 

[Memorymakerfor4]

I did read an article saying that William would probably not have a formal investiture as Prince of Wales. It isn't required and with the financial situation, it's probably a good idea to skip it. Plus, the piece said it wasn't the sort of thing William would even be likely to want.

He has actually lived in Wales too. I think part of the reason for Charles' investiture was to form a connection with him and the country, but it's less necessary here.