Queen Camilla

Yes it is. But I also think it's fruitless to rehash 30 year old gossip when the principal players have moved on. And to have that old gossip decide who will be Head of State is silly.
 
Sometimes not even those people know. Heck, how often do we have misunderstandings with our spouses and interpret statements or actions in ways that are very different than the way they were intended?
Good point. And our marriages are tabloid fodder!
 
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Yes it is. But I also think it's fruitless to rehash 30 year old gossip when the principal players have moved on. And to have that old gossip decide who will be Head of State is silly.
Well, that’s your opinion. I suspect that most people would still want to get at the truth if it were their own loved ones. We read about these stories all the time.
 

Well, that’s your opinion. I suspect that most people would still want to get at the truth if it were their own loved ones. We read about these stories all the time.
Well I'm sure Harry and William can talk to their father if they have questions about their parents' marriage. Speculation from the public isn't going to help them.
And as a divorced person no I don't think that I owe any details to any family members. My marriage is personal between my spouse and I.
 
Well I'm sure Harry and William can talk to their father if they have questions about their parents' marriage.
I guess you’ve missed what they’ve been saying for quite a while now. Both have psychological issues related to their family situation that they’re dealing with. They’ve made mental health a national initiative.
 
Well, well, it's about time.

Obviously Lizzie feels guilty about royally screwing up 50ish years ago by breaking up any budding romance between Charles and Camilla. From what I understand, she listened to her Mumsy and that Mountbatten dude and permitted them to interfere based on their own agendas. She should have, and easily could have, told them to butt out.

What I DON'T understand is why Camilla was considered an unsuitable spouse. This would be before she married her first husband. She seems to have the right background and breeding, was properly educated and attended the correct finishing school in Switzerland, came from a good family, etc etc etc. Why did so many object??

Queenie, you owe Camilla way more than just a sincere wish that she be called Queen Consort. A public apology is definitely in order before you croak.

Oh, and Liz owes a big apology to the Diana's family too.
 
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Well, well, it's about time.

Obviously Lizzie feels guilty about royally screwing up 50ish years ago by breaking up any budding romance between Charles and Camilla. From what I understand, she listened to her Mumsy and that Mountbatten dude and permitted them to interfere based on their own agendas. She should have, and easily could have, told them to butt out.

What I DON'T understand is why Camilla was considered an unsuitable spouse. This would be before she married her first husband. She seems to have the right background and breeding, was properly educated and attended the correct finishing school in Switzerland, came from a good family, etc etc etc. Why did so many object??

Queenie, you owe Camilla way more than just a sincere wish that she be called Queen Consort. A public apology is definitely in order before you croak.

Oh, and Liz owes a big apology to the Diana's family too.

The crux of the issue was she was not considered to be from an aristocratic background and she wasn't a virgin. No, she wasn't married when she met Charles but she had slept with Andrew Parker Bowles and at the time that made her unsuitable to be Queen.
 
I guess you’ve missed what they’ve been saying for quite a while now. Both have psychological issues related to their family situation that they’re dealing with. They’ve made mental health a national initiative.
Yes which was fueled by a lot by public speculation about their marriage in the media. Which is part of the reason why I don't see what rehashing 30 year old gossip is beneficial for anyone.
 
What I DON'T understand is why Camilla was considered an unsuitable spouse. This would be before she married her first husband. She seems to have the right background and breeding, was properly educated and attended the correct finishing school in Switzerland, came from a good family, etc etc etc. Why did so many object??

Very simply, that long ago it was still thought that a suitable bride for Charles must be innocent and virginal (or at least have an unsullied reputation...fake it well, in short).

Camilla was known to be a party girl, a drinker and smoker, had been throughout the 1960s. She was quite open about living as she chose. She was also very popular with men. That her reputation was gray at best was the clincher.

The bottom line was that she neither wanted all the to-do of being the PoW but preferred Parker Bowles to Charles at that time. She and Charles were good friends; she probably was somewhat motherly toward him, but she preferred a mature man as a husband. Parker Bowles was decidedly that.

Charles still had to do his military service, too. Camilla would have been left at home alone for months at a time since he was made to go into the Navy--safer than the Air Force for the heir. Charles, reportedly, was an excellent pilot and very much wanted to fly. Yet another restriction of his being born heir to the throne.
 
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I believe Diana retained the title Princess of Wales and Camilla is the Duchess of Cornwall currently. She may have refused the Princess of Wales title due to sentiments in the country at the time.

Camilla IS currently the Princess of Wales, but she uses one of her lesser titles.

I personally think Kate should go by one of her own lesser titles, Lady Carrickfergus.
 
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What I DON'T understand is why Camilla was considered an unsuitable spouse. This would be before she married her first husband. She seems to have the right background and breeding, was properly educated and attended the correct finishing school in Switzerland, came from a good family, etc etc etc. Why did so many object??
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To put it baldly, she wasn't a virgin, and more problematically, a lot of people knew it. At the time, it was still a legal requirement that the chosen bride of the Heir Apparent had to submit to a gynecological exam, often said to be for the purpose of proving virginity, but more probably, to determine that there was no problem indicating difficulty becoming pregnant. We don't know if Diana actually passed the "innocence test", but she had led a discreet enough life up until her engagement that a physician was willing to say that she had. They could not have pulled that off for Camilla, even with the best will in the world. She was known to have been intimate with more than one past boyfriend, including Andrew Parker-Bowles, whom she would later marry. None of this was out of the ordinary for the 1970's, and made finding a bride who could pass as a virgin difficult, which is why Mountbatten, who was a roaring sexual hypocrite, convinced Charles, at the age of 32, to propose to a 19 year old.
 
To put it baldly, she wasn't a virgin, and more problematically, a lot of people knew it. At the time, it was still a legal requirement that the chosen bride of the Heir Apparent had to submit to a gynecological exam, often said to be for the purpose of proving virginity, but more probably, to determine that there was no problem indicating difficulty becoming pregnant. We don't know if Diana actually passed the "innocence test", but she had led a discreet enough life up until her engagement that a physician was willing to say that she had. They could not have pulled that off for Camilla, even with the best will in the world. She was known to have been intimate with more than one past boyfriend, including Andrew Parker-Bowles, whom she would later marry. None of this was out of the ordinary for the 1970's, and made finding a bride who could pass as a virgin difficult, which is why Mountbatten, who was a roaring sexual hypocrite, convinced Charles, at the age of 32, to propose to a 19 year old.
Yes considering Mountbatten's wife was having a long term affair. And his sister in law was sleeping with Anderson Cooper's great aunt. Or someone I forget who know.
If you read about that generation they were all sleeping around and getting divorced.
 
Thanks for the explanations of Camilla's "unsuitability." Even for 1972, it seems ridiculously outdated and hypocritical.

After the "Sexy Sixties," it was pretty outdated.

It's important to realize that the Royals' standards regarding suitable brides had a lot more in common with the Victorian Era than did those of ordinary folk.

Doing what you chose wasn't a problem among the aristocracy if you were appropriately discreet about it. Camilla wasn't.
 















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