Queen Camilla

[ronandannette]

I can appreciate all of that. But he just seems so stuffy. Isn't that enough reason to overturn all that history? You have to understand I'm coming at this from a distinctly American point of view. When we don't like the way things are, we just chuck all the tea in the harbor.

Sounds like a waste of good tea. I am willing to advance the idea of jousting for our Prime Minister's seat though.

 

[CynBeth]

I'm hoping that Charles abdicates and William becomes king. I would love to see him rule, with Kate (Queen Consort? Princess?) by his side.

Me too.

 

[Her Dotness]

...the idea that abdication is abhorrent runs deep in their culture.

Not only in British culture but powerfully so among the Windsor family.

The abdication of Edward VIII remains a dreadful embarrassment. That he abdicated for a twice-divorced woman had to have motivated both the Queen and Philip's distaste for Charles and Diana divorcing.

It's probably impossible for us to comprehend how repulsive the idea of divorce was when Edward abdicated "for the woman he loved," far more so than it is today.

That the Queen decreed that the dukedom of Windsor would never again be granted attests to how painful that episode was for her. He was her uncle, so not far removed at all.

Americans tend to think of the Duke and Duchess as a touching romance. Not only did they nearly destroy the monarchy but were Nazi sympathizers besides. Horrifically embarrassing.

 

[RedAngie]

Does it really matter what Liz thinks or says?

When (if) Chucky Boy becomes King, HE can decide Camilla’s title or style. Mommie’s approval not needed.

 

[Her Dotness]

Does it really matter what Liz thinks or says?

When (if) Chucky Boy becomes King, HE can decide Camilla’s title or style.

Not exactly.

To torture the word a bit more, he'd be chucking literally centuries of tradition.

Sooo very not the done thing, you know.

 

[Cheburashka]

I'm hoping that Charles abdicates and William becomes king. I would love to see him rule, with Kate (Queen Consort? Princess?) by his side.

Exactly. I think that is what the monarchy needs if it is going to survive well into this century. Who is looking forward to King Charles (let alone Queen Camilla)? No one except Charles & his very limited number of fans. Polls in Britain have indicated that the British public would prefer the crown pass to William. The fact that Charles's top priority seems to be giving his former affair partner the title of queen, says an awful lot about him, and her. She's already married him & been made a member of the royal family. Can't she be satisfied with "Princess"? Prince Philip coped very well with his title for all those years, and he wasn't notorious for breaking up anyone's marriage, but that level of title just isn't enough to satisfy this (literally) entitled pair.

It isn't helping the monarchy to install such an unpopular couple as its leaders at a very critical time, when the monarchy is increasingly under direct attack and being seen as irrelevant by more and more of the population. Perfect timing for putting an elderly, entitled, out of touch king on the throne, who is most well-known for having blown up his marriage to one of the most popular royals in history.

 

[CdnCarrie]

I just finished reading a biography of Edward VII. He was not popular as a Prince of Wales but ended up being a well liked King.
I think Charles will have a similar short, respected reign.
The monarchy at least in the commonwealth will probably be abolished by the time William ascends the throne,

 

[Cheburashka]

Does it really matter what Liz thinks or says?

When (if) Chucky Boy becomes King, HE can decide Camilla’s title or style. Mommie’s approval not needed.

It matters because Queen Elizabeth is a great deal more popular than Prince Charles with the British public. She has moral authority; he doesn't. Her requesting this now lays the matter pretty much to rest, whereas if he had decreed it, people would have been repelled by the entitlement and lack of sensitivity (many still are, since he's undoubtedly asked or hinted for his mother to do this.)

 

[Cheburashka]

The monarchy at least in the commonwealth will probably be abolished by the time William ascends the throne,

Certainly if Charles becomes king, I agree. If William were made king upon the queen's death, I think the monarchy would have more staying power.

 

[RedAngie]

I’m confused. I thought Camilla already IS Queen.





Or maybe it’s Anne.



“Even Princess Diana’s one-time psychic, Sally Morgan, believes Anne will continue to take on a more prominent role.”

 

[RedAngie]

It matters because Queen Elizabeth is a great deal more popular than Prince Charles with the British public. She has moral authority; he doesn't. Her requesting this now lays the matter pretty much to rest, whereas if he had decreed it, people would have been repelled by the entitlement and lack of sensitivity (many still are, since he's undoubtedly asked or hinted for his mother to do this.)

Moral schmoral. King Charles can do what he wants regarding Camilla’s title. The feelings of the British (and especially American) public are irrelevant.

People really need to take the sticks out of their butts regarding Charles and Camilla.

 

[Cheburashka]

Moral schmoral. King Charles can do what he wants regarding Camilla’s title. The feelings of the British (and especially American) public are irrelevant.

Given the fact that the future of the British monarchy is in the hands of the British public, it actually does very much matter what the public wants, who they respect, etc.

The monarchy can absolutely be abolished.

 

[GreatLakes]

I have to ask the Americans here why you care? I never understood the fascination with royalty that appears here. We revolted against the notion of royalty, people actually shed blood, yet on threads about the royal family we fall all over ourselves praising this outdated notion of a bloodline.

That lady and her entire family could die in a fire and the world wouldn't change in actual substance. I'd wake up and go to bed without noticing. Please enlighten me.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Moral schmoral. King Charles can do what he wants regarding Camilla’s title. The feelings of the British (and especially American) public are irrelevant.

People really need to take the sticks out of their butts regarding Charles and Camilla.

I don't really have a strong opinion one way over the other but when you really think about it because the monarchy is more for show these days what the public thinks about them over time ends up mattering (not us on the Boards but the public in general).

They've come under fire in recent years for needing to modernize because that's what the public wants to see. If the public decides they are done with the monarchy because of what they stand for (too many topics there to cover) they could find themselves fading away (maybe they are fine with that maybe not). Either way what happened in the past affects how people feel about Charles and Camilla and with them even her being called Queen Consort comes with complications regarding how people view the situation and that's something of the couple's own making in ways.

 

[Karin1984]

Moral schmoral. King Charles can do what he wants regarding Camilla’s title. The feelings of the British public are irrelevant.

it is extremely relevant for the British public. If not why have people been moaning for years they will never accept Camilla with the title of Queen (consort). That the Queen has given her blessing will definitely influence the public opinion. It will influence how long the royal family can stay on. Abolishing a monarchy and changing to a republic will cause political unrest one way or another.

For the stability of the country this decision by the Queen is important and it matters a lot that she did this and not Charles. How would it look if one of the first acts Charles does as a king is give his wife a certain title?

Camilla has proven herself plenty worthy of the title in the last decades and I think she deserves it.

 

[mamamia2005]

Well being British and living in England, I feel fully qualified to join in with this thread

It really doesn't bother me one way or the other. I think even if our present Queen hadn't released this statement, then Charles would have made Camilla Queen consort on his succession to the throne anyway.
I think Camilla has gone up in the public's estimations in recent years. She reportedly does a lot for charity, and is actually a very nice lady. Her and Charles look comfortable together, far more than Charles and Diana ever did.
What happened to Diana was tragic, but I feel its time to move on now.

I don't think abdication would even be given a moment's thought by either the Queen or Charles. Charles from a young age has been brought up to be King. Maybe he wants his son to enjoy his young family, and grow into the role like he has been able to do.

Long live our Queen, she is marvellous!

 

[mom2rtk]

Well being British and living in England, I feel fully qualified to join in with this thread

It really doesn't bother me one way or the other. I think even if our present Queen hadn't released this statement, then Charles would have made Camilla Queen consort on his succession to the throne anyway.
I think Camilla has gone up in the public's estimations in recent years. She reportedly does a lot for charity, and is actually a very nice lady. Her and Charles look comfortable together, far more than Charles and Diana ever did.
What happened to Diana was tragic, but I feel its time to move on now.

I don't think abdication would even be given a moment's thought by either the Queen or Charles. Charles from a young age has been brought up to be King. Maybe he wants his son to enjoy his young family, and grow into the role like he has been able to do.

Long live our Queen, she is marvellous!

Thank you for the lovely explanation of why you feel differently from me. You actually make me stop and think about all of it more so much more effectively than those who just attack me for daring to have an opinion.

 

[Karin1984]

What happened to Diana was tragic, but I feel its time to move on now.

That is something that surprises me, the tabloids still, almost on a daily basis report about who said what on the wedding day of Charles and Diana. With that going on, it is hard to move on.

But almost all tabloids today/yesterday also report how much Camilla does for charities for domestic abuse etc. And that she deserves the title.

 

[Sinder]

Excuse my American ignorance but isn't it normal to call the King's wife "Queen"? Granted I get all my info from Philippa Gregory and Alison Weir novels but I figure they did their research.

 

[Her Dotness]

Well being British and living in England, I feel fully qualified to join in with this thread

Many thanks for weighing in with an "insider's" viewpoint.

I think Camilla has gone up in the public's estimations in recent years. She reportedly does a lot for charity, and is actually a very nice lady. Her and Charles look comfortable together, far more than Charles and Diana ever did.

This is what I've read--that the British gradually have become more accepting of Camilla than they were around the time Charles and Camilla married. A very good thing, IMO, as I always thought Charles and Diana looked so ill at ease with each other or straining to fake it.

I was amused no end by Camilla's winking toward the cameras as she turned to follow the lineup of Trump family trudging out of the room once during the state visit. That one little gesture conveyed her reaction exquisitely. I actually laughed aloud. She showed such grace, dignity and wit--and I'll refrain from comparison.