PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

[RoseGold]

Wow, I see why the point chart was buried in this sales pitch. OUCH. The 2BRs are at bungalow pricing, this thing makes GF and RIV look cheap. Heck, it's making the argument for RIV resale. Who needs the other levers when you pull that one that hard? Oh wait, we will jack up price too LOL. Seriously, we got it all! Reduced term, bananas chart, eye popping price. I guess they want to sit on a few million more points for a decade. And they're selling what, 200Kish a month? What are y'all doing down there?

I thought the chart would be high, but not this high. On the plus for me, I should be able to book with SSR though, fam!

 

[DanCali]

Wow, I see why the point chart was buried in this sales pitch. OUCH. The 2BRs are at bungalow pricing

It's pricy for my taste regardless, but not quite bungalow pricing, unless you're comparing the 2BR Penthouse TP view.

Otherwise the 2BRs S and P views are highly comparable to the VGF 2BR points chart.

We usually do shorter stays at WDW so we'll cram 4 in a studio, or 1BR at most. We might splurge on a 2BR at Aulani, but that's not an annual trip.

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

I'd need something like the recent OKW incentives to get me to jump back in.

LOL - I know exactly what you mean.

Nice! I’ve just got a standard view studio for week 39 (114 points) plus a 36 points top-up contract. Lack of MB does not bother me as we’re not entitled to it anyway in the UK. I’ll make my own magic

I will also be making my own magic

Do they ever do extra incentives for potential buyers who are current guests?

On every DCL boat I've been on this year, the DVC guides on board try to pitch special Flash sales only available on the boat that expires at cruise end. Not sure how that translates to stays on property.

If you are buying, might as well get a fixed week at the standard view of your choice as those will likely be hard to get otherwise. Or a different view that you will just "have" to have

My thinking exactly. As I don't need anymore SAP, I wanted to lock down my must have view in accommodations I want to stay in during a time I want to be there. But, everybody's use case is different.

I thought we all were expecting mild incentives for the first cycle as there are a lot of people wanting to add no matter the price.

That's where I was too. I would have signed at $225 a point and no incentives.

Question on fixed weeks: If we get UY 24 points will we just have that amount of points we purchased to use as we like then get our UY25 week booked as usual?

Example, I buy week 6, or 19 or 44 (my top 3 choices), but they have already happened for 2024, will I see 1XX banked points and have my week booked for 2025? This could work for me!

I asked my guide this exact question because I am in the same place with my April use year points and week #50, which starts before the Tower opens on the 17th of December (same situation as if the week had already happened). The answer is you will get your 2024 use year points to use as you like. If you choose to bank those 2024 points instead and regardless of your banking deadlines for your use year, you can call Member Services to bank your 2024 points (only for your new Poly 2024 contract points, obviously) all the way up to the month before your use year resets (March in my case) - this is a special exception they will make for new contract points in this case. Your week for 2025 is fixed/guaranteed, unless of you course you choose to redeem your 2025 week for the points to use as you like.

It is interesting to see how aggressively they are discounting CFW relative to others. It's still a terrible value given the dues, but they're clearly trying to stratify their pricing in this cycle to push CFW demand.

Actually the incentives this cycle are worse for CFW than they were last cycle. For several months I was holding on to finalizing a fixed week at CFW under the last cycle's incentives and was going to make a decision on that contract today based on whether the CFW incentives improved this cycle - well, they got worse. I canceled the CFW contract altogether (because of ambiguity with Reflections), but it is surprising to me that the incentives worsened this cycle for CFW. I don't understand why they would do that if they're trying to stimulate demand? CFW already has a tough sell with resale restrictions, dues, niche customer base for cabins at that resort etc.

 

[RickNJane]

Here is a little chart I did to compare points:

Resort	1 br	2 br	Dues $/PT
DLH	292	438	9.5307
VGC	291	390	8.5544
BLT	226/257/305	306/338/417	7.5902
BWV	180/234	237/299	8.6711
OKW	181	246	9.8666
Poly	278/339/387	394/456/560	8.2301
GF	282/340	387/458	7.5740
RIV	259/328	341/409	8.8508

Also forgive my ignorance. I see the acronym MB on several posts. What is that?

 

[CWTC]

Also forgive my ignorance. I see the acronym MB on several posts. What is that?

Magical beginnings - it’s essentially rebate for your 1st year’s points.

So, someone posted in one of the DVC groups on FB that their guide told them “it changed overnight” and current PVB owners cannot book on 10/15/24, just people with newly purchased points. I don’t have a stake in this but was just more curious if that is accurate or not. I can’t find that documented anywhere on the website.

 

[Brian Noble]

Does anyone think Riviera might outsell Poly this month or next month because of incentives or lack thereof?

There are plenty of people who are going to buy no matter what the incentives are, because they've been waiting for months to buy it. For the first month or two, PVB2 will do very well.

i hope there is still poly available when i'm allowed to buy on Nov 1

Unless you are talking about Nov 1, 2026, you are fine. And maybe even then.

Based on what you all have seen in the past, do we think these prices are the best they’ll be?

I have learned the hard way never to time the market. This is like that. If you want to buy there, and the price is a good value for you, buy it. If it isn't don't. But playing the "save every dollar" game is a hard game to win, particularly because over the medium-to-long term, prices only go up.

 

[EM Lawrence]

Pulled the trigger on week 49 standard view tower studio! I understand why others are not purchasing today, but we are very excited. We have only ever wanted Poly points, that is where our resale points are too. And I'm happy to be purchasing non-restricted points direct. When the resale restrictions were put in place, I thought we would never have this opportunity again. I know VGF offered the same thing, but it is just not the resort for us. We are Poly people and always have been. The stars have aligned to purchase at Poly and avoid the dreaded resale restrictions.

 

[Phatscott25]

So, someone posted in one of the DVC groups on FB that their guide told them “it changed overnight” and current PVB owners cannot book on 10/15/24, just people with newly purchased points. I don’t have a stake in this but was just more curious if that is accurate or not. I can’t find that documented anywhere on the website.

I don't think that is legally possible. However, my guide assured me that they have "set aside" developer inventory for those that recently bought. He said when I call member services on 10/15, I need to mention that I recently bought the tower and they will help me secure a reservation that would otherwise be unavailable to non-tower owners attempting to book. I didn't ask specifically, but the impression he gave was all owners can book on 10/15 from declared inventory (which I believe to be a legal requirement).

 

[hockeydad21]

I’ll keep my $140 resale contract thank you. This price with incentives is an easy no for me when it comes to upgrading to direct. I’ll wait for a fire sale or for resale pricing to pop up again.

 

[Phatscott25]

I have learned the hard way never to time the market. This is like that. If you want to buy there, and the price is a good value for you, buy it. If it isn't don't. But playing the "save every dollar" game is a hard game to win, particularly because over the medium-to-long term, prices only go up.

I completely agree and that's why I bought today. Poly is my favorite resort, I love the tower, and want to own more points there. Even if a better deal should come around, how much "better" would it be? $2pp? Who knows.

 

[GoingSince1990]

Also forgive my ignorance. I see the acronym MB on several posts. What is that?

Any DVC owner can rent out their points for someone else to use to take a trip. For the Poly you can get around $18-$20 per point for this. MB is a clever promotion where you buy points from Disney and immediately rent back your first year’s points, not to a third party but to Disney itself, for (I believe) $20 per point. Clever because lots of people then think of their purchase as “buying in at $195 per point” as opposed to “buying in at $215 per point and renting out my first year’s points for $20 per point”, which can help people feel better about their purchase price.

 

[mkatsy]

Magical beginnings - it’s essentially rebate for your 1st year’s points.

So, someone posted in one of the DVC groups on FB that their guide told them “it changed overnight” and current PVB owners cannot book on 10/15/24, just people with newly purchased points. I don’t have a stake in this but was just more curious if that is accurate or not. I can’t find that documented anywhere on the website.

When I spoke with my guide and set my appointment to meet her over at Saratoga next week, I asked her this very question. She promised me that she would verify that I could use both my resale Poly and the brand new points I get, combined on Oct. 15th. I never heard back from her, which makes me think something changed … legal or not.

 

[davidhr]

Any DVC owner can rent out their points for someone else to use to take a trip. For the Poly you can get around $18-$20 per point for this. MB is a clever promotion where you buy points from Disney and immediately rent back your first year’s points, not to a third party but to Disney itself, for (I believe) $20 per point. Clever because lots of people then think of their purchase as “buying in at $195 per point” as opposed to “buying in at $215 per point and renting out my first year’s points for $20 per point”, which can help people feel better about their purchase price.

The big difference is that MB is a rebate, so no income tax, which needs to be paid for regular rentals.

 

[DanCali]

I completely agree and that's why I bought today. Poly is my favorite resort, I love the tower, and want to own more points there. Even if a better deal should come around, how much "better" would it be? $2pp? Who knows.

Congrats on the purchase!

I'm just trying to understand why go direct though? Did you buy a fixed week? Did you do it for the blue card? Loving Poly and loving the tower are definitely great reasons to own more points there. But not necessarily reasons to buy direct vs resale. PVB resale points can also book at the tower at 11 months, no? Whether it happens on 10/15 or a few weeks later is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things.

I was seriously considering PIT for the "right price". I felt this was priced very high but was not surprised given the pent-up demand. But having no MB felt like a poke in the eye. I don't know what will come first for us - a better deal or a tempting resale contract...

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

And I'm happy to be purchasing non-restricted points direct. When the resale restrictions were put in place, I thought we would never have this opportunity again.

I thought the same thing - I was relieved when I found out the Tower was going to be attached to the existing association for the sole reason that there would be no resale restrictions for the O13 resorts and I could book any other new resort as an available option. That plus a chance to get a fixed week at a peak time made the decision for me.

I need to mention that I recently bought the tower and they will help me secure a reservation that would otherwise be unavailable to non-tower owners attempting to book. I didn't ask specifically, but the impression he gave was all owners can book on 10/15 from declared inventory (which I believe to be a legal requirement).

Interesting - I did not clarify with my guide this morning whether or not I could book the Tower on 10/15 using non Poly points. I wonder if non-Tower related poly points (i.e. PVB points purchase before today) is the same as non-Poly points with respect to these booking checkpoints...

 

[disneydad7281231]

The people that picked up the last Poly resales this Spring before Disney started ROFRing look like mad geniuses now!

Same here! Bought in April!

 

[Phatscott25]

Interesting - I did not clarify with my guide this morning whether or not I could book the Tower on 10/15 using non Poly points. I wonder if non-Tower related poly points (i.e. PVB points purchase before today) is the same as non-Poly points with respect to these booking checkpoints...

The impression I got was he was referring to the points I just bought, as far as using developer inventory. But I didn't ask specifically. In my case in wouldn't matter anyway because all of my other Poly points are used so the reservation I'm looking to book (this January) will have to come from the new ones.

I also didn't ask about non-poly points but I highly doubt those could be used during the limited home resort period, even from developer inventory.

 

[disneylandtour]

I don't think that is legally possible. However, my guide assured me that they have "set aside" developer inventory for those that recently bought. He said when I call member services on 10/15, I need to mention that I recently bought the tower and they will help me secure a reservation that would otherwise be unavailable to non-tower owners attempting to book. I didn't ask specifically, but the impression he gave was all owners can book on 10/15 from declared inventory (which I believe to be a legal requirement).

Now, where is that thread where a dozen people told me that this wouldn’t happen a few months ago?

 

[Unclelude]

I can't wait for the Black Friday deal!

 

[GoingSince1990]

The people that picked up the last Poly resales this Spring before Disney started ROFRing look like mad geniuses now!

Yep, and shrewd enough to disregard the theory that the new tower would be a separate association with RIV/VDH/CFW style resale restrictions, which (while hard to believe today) was once the majority opinion of posters on the DIS. I’m pretty sure that in the separate association/resale restrictions scenario, the pricing would need to be significantly lower than where it is.