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[gmi3804]

Just confirmed ..........

PVB member bookings to start 2/11/2015
Non PVB member bookings to start 2/25/2015

Also confirmed: new Poly contracts will contain 2014 UY points, available for immediate use everywhere but at rue Poly, which will be available to book on 2/11 for Poly owners.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Make no mistake. If DVC were a discount proposition for Disney, it wouldn't exist. Money upfront is always better than potential money down the road.

Or in dvc's case... Both.

I don't see any angle for them in "pop century villas" or the rumored "Caribbean beach tower"

That's not where their interests lie... Currently

 

[erionm]

Also confirmed: new Poly contracts will contain 2014 UY points, available for immediate use everywhere but at rue Poly, which will be available to book on 2/11 for Poly owners.

Who confirmed that PVB points can be used at other resorts prior to 4/1/2015? If the PVB units have a 4/1/2015 occupancy date, points associated with that unit can't be used anywhere prior to that date.

 

[gmi3804]

Or in dvc's case... Both.

I don't see any angle for them in "pop century villas" or the rumored "Caribbean beach tower"

That's not where their interests lie... Currently

The advantage for them is a much larger (and untapped) market of those who could afford DVC ownership. They certainly know that certain families return again and again and stay only in Values or Mods.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

The advantage for them is a much larger (and untapped) market of those who could afford DVC ownership. They certainly know that certain families return again and again and stay only in Values or Mods.

But DVC is mostly not about the upfront... It is about the guaranteed ancillary revenue.

Even though mods have frequent repeat clientele...DVC is looking for guaranteed customers with a taste for deluxe pricing.

There's no way to make that sound "not bad"...but I don't mean it as bad. It's just an economic stance. DVC chose specifically to align the first four (OKW, vero, HHI, and boardwalk) with the "deluxe" category...

If they had any intention of doing a "moderate"...it would have started then and then moved towards the more pricey.

That was not a random, chance decision. The plan factored in what they projected as "disposable income"

That's generalized...but near the point.

 

[nkosiek]

What advantage are you looking for... Other than 14 days upfront and the DVC standard 11/7 policy from here on out.

I'm not. I remember it was weird when VGF opened. 4months or something like that for the first few months. Just wondering. I'd like 1 night at the end of July in a studio on the end of a longer week (we're driving, can get down earlier for a look around) so just trying to figure it out as to how it will work. If it's like VGF, I'll have to wait until March, if it's not, I could do it at the end of February. This will probably be a 1 & done and I figure I shouldn't have the hardest time getting a single night in July, so want to do it this year before DVC is FLOODED with the Poly points.

 

[aroundtheriverbend]

Also confirmed: new Poly contracts will contain 2014 UY points, available for immediate use everywhere but at rue Poly, which will be available to book on 2/11 for Poly owners.

For all use years? Even February for example?

 

[nyck]

I'm not. I remember it was weird when VGF opened. 4months or something like that for the first few months. Just wondering. I'd like 1 night at the end of July in a studio on the end of a longer week (we're driving, can get down earlier for a look around) so just trying to figure it out as to how it will work. If it's like VGF, I'll have to wait until March, if it's not, I could do it at the end of February. This will probably be a 1 & done and I figure I shouldn't have the hardest time getting a single night in July, so want to do it this year before DVC is FLOODED with the Poly points.

It is the regular 7 month window. Not like the 4month deal with VGF. I verified this today

 

[DebbieB]

Also confirmed: new Poly contracts will contain 2014 UY points, available for immediate use everywhere but at rue Poly, which will be available to book on 2/11 for Poly owners.

Possibly developer points from other resorts?

 

[Unyeah]

Also confirmed: new Poly contracts will contain 2014 UY points, available for immediate use everywhere but at rue Poly, which will be available to book on 2/11 for Poly owners.

So members if they add on do not get 2014 UY points?

 

[nkosiek]

Possibly developer points from other resorts?

Probably, but if you think about it, buying now for my June use year would mean that I should be getting those June 2014 points. They could've done otherwise, but think of the marketing, "Get the 2014 points and double up and book some nights in the bungalows this year." Granted, you won't be able to book them any other year unless you bank/borrow but it's a solid marketing ploy.

 

[DebbieB]

The question is what about dues? If you don't get any actual Poly points until later in the year, you shouldn't have to pay dues until then.

 

[erionm]

The question is what about dues? If you don't get any actual Poly points until later in the year, you shouldn't have to pay a full years dues.

If the occupancy date is 4/1/2015 and you purchase prior to that date, dues would be prorated starting from 4/1/2015.

 

[nkosiek]

Nevermind, reread it.

 

[WMorganS]

We're joking here... But we're also not... The huge uptick in upfront point cost and points per accommodation is really a bad trend. Not only for those sinking far too much cash (no matter your finances) in new contracts...but the potential to "backflow" all these points into the boardwalks, old key wests, and beach clubs of the world. It also makes "retrofitting" that most of us agree on the horizon more interesting... If they redo wilderness or say...beach club...how Do they sell assigning higher point values than what's already there? What modifications do they make to the units? A flip down bed worth 10 points more a night in a studio? or is there a contract loophole where they can reassign the whole development...old and new? Hmmm.

Maybe I'm just being a devils advocate, but I'm not convinced that the climbing prices and points are part of any kind of "scheme".

Re: bungalow points... Those bungalows look AWESOME. They are NOT 2BR Villas (I.e. 3 bays in a giant building with theming applied INSIDE), they are built to be private and awesome from the ground up. I think the point cost reflects what was designed, and it fits a demographic that DVC did NOT cover already. Admittedly, I'm not part of that demographic myself, but it seems logical to me that they were probably built that way to satisfy a DVC demographic. And who know, maybe I'll stay there if I ever feel I have "too many" points ;-)

Re: $160/pt... I suspect is arrived at with endless COST analysis. Yes, it's expensive, but this expansion is at the heart of WDW, both geographically and historically, so they're putting a ton of money into building there.

But as for the decor change in the main building... I can't even play devils advocate for that. Sorry, that's just depressing.

 

[skier_pete]

The advantage for them is a much larger (and untapped) market of those who could afford DVC ownership. They certainly know that certain families return again and again and stay only in Values or Mods.

I don't see them that interested in that market. In order to do what you are saying, they would have to have "moderate" rooms at a lower price point. In order to make money, they would have to build it like a moderate...a large resort with lower amenities. The room sizing matters little in the scheme of things - they make the room 300 s.f. instead of 350 s.f. it doesn't change the cost much. But then they would have to offer the points at a lower rate, right? 8-14 points a nice instead 14-24 in most DVC? 20% smaller space at 40 % lower point rates? Not favorable to Disney.

But here's what occurs to me - they've already built a resort like this. SSR is basically a moderate style-resort (big, sprawling, limited amenities, not great location) yet they managed to sell that as a "Deluxe" resort simply because of the room sizes at still the Villas.

I think Disney's newest DVC model is what you are seeing right here. More studios, meaning buyers can buy less points at their outrageous up-front prices and still get the room they want. My bet is you see them expand Wilderness lodge in a similar way if the Poly is successful - a bunch of studios for the low-end buyers, bungalows for the high end buyers.
It can still appear a bargain. 150-200 points a week, $25,000-$30,000 buy-in, and leaves you $900-$1200 a week. Versus renting a room at the Poly for $500-$700 a night at $3500-$5000 a week. There's still people out there you can convince that a deal and a half.

 

[CMOORE185]

I don't see them that interested in that market. In order to do what you are saying, they would have to have "moderate" rooms at a lower price point. In order to make money, they would have to build it like a moderate...a large resort with lower amenities. The room sizing matters little in the scheme of things - they make the room 300 s.f. instead of 350 s.f. it doesn't change the cost much. But then they would have to offer the points at a lower rate, right? 8-14 points a nice instead 14-24 in most DVC? 20% smaller space at 40 % lower point rates? Not favorable to Disney.

But here's what occurs to me - they've already built a resort like this. SSR is basically a moderate style-resort (big, sprawling, limited amenities, not great location) yet they managed to sell that as a "Deluxe" resort simply because of the room sizes at still the Villas.

I think Disney's newest DVC model is what you are seeing right here. More studios, meaning buyers can buy less points at their outrageous up-front prices and still get the room they want. My bet is you see them expand Wilderness lodge in a similar way if the Poly is successful - a bunch of studios for the low-end buyers, bungalows for the high end buyers.
It can still appear a bargain. 150-200 points a week, $25,000-$30,000 buy-in, and leaves you $900-$1200 a week. Versus renting a room at the Poly for $500-$700 a night at $3500-$5000 a week. There's still people out there you can convince that a deal and a half.

First, I disagree with you on SSR, it is a deluxe resort. The rooms are exactly as all other DVC resorts so you would be basing it strictly on location. Is OKW a moderate style resort as well then? And not sure what you mean by limited amenities?

And we will see how well these bungalows rent out, personally I will never pay what I consider outrageous to stay there.

 

[skier_pete]

First, I disagree with you on SSR, it is a deluxe resort. The rooms are exactly as all other DVC resorts so you would be basing it strictly on location. Is OKW a moderate style resort as well then? And not sure what you mean by limited amenities?

And we will see how well these bungalows rent out, personally I will never pay what I consider outrageous to stay there.

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but the resort just reminded me of staying at CBR or POR. As I said in my original posts, yes the rooms are much nicer, but the rest of the resort really reminded me of a mod. As far as amenities, what exactly does SSR have that beats say POR? Both have nice main pools and some quiet pools (SSR maybe has 2 main pools). Maybe the Turf Club is a slightly nicer restaurant, but not sure of that, I haven't eaten at either. Both you can rent bikes and watercraft. Both use mutliple bus stops to get people to the parks. What does SSR give me that POR doesn't outside of the larger rooms of DVC? I'm not saying SSR isn't a nice resort, we enjoyed our stay there, I just don't see it as a "deluxe". Just 'cause they charge deluxe prices doesn't make it so.

I am not sure how DVC members (or Disney for that matter) can claim all DVC resorts are created equal. OKW/SSR are lesser resorts. Just the fact that SSR has the lowest maintenance fees yet also one of the lowest resale values shows that this is how people think. if it were equal, everyone would be clamoring to own SSR.

Sorry to get the thread off topic, but back ON topic, this is partly how DVC can justify current prices for things like VGF and PVB. This is why I really wonder how they will be able to get away with these point prices if they go and expand WLV next. WL is also NOT the same level as VGF/PVB.

 

[Unyeah]

I wish members would get 2014 use year points when they add on today that would be nice.

 

[gmi3804]

I wish members would get 2014 use year points when they add on today that would be nice.

There's discussion about this already. Any contract with a UY of June and later will get 2014 points. You'll be able to use them immediately upon closing, but will have to wait until 2/11 to book Poly villas.