Purchase @ AKV, BWV or both.

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First time purchase of DVC. We usually prefer to go in January but we are flexible. The only time we would not go to WDW is during the summer....June, July And August and between Xmas and New Years. We prefer to go when it is not too hot or crowded. We live in Texas and like to get away from the heat.
We want to be able to book CL @ AKV and a studio at BWV... Preferably a week @ each.
approx 250-275 pts per year. Would we be better off buying one contract or trying for 2 contracts?
 
If you are looking for the point-efficient Standard studios at BWV, I would absolutely suggest getting two contracts. It is extremely difficult to get CL at AKL even if you own there as they are so limited, and the Standard studios at BWV go right at the 11-month mark for the most part as well.
 
If you want to go to BWV in the fall and book a studio, you need home owner points for an 11-month booking.

If you want to go to AKV and book CL, you need home owner points for an 11-month booking (and may not always get CL anyway, as there are 5 2BR locks, making there a total of 10 possible units at most at any given time).

So I would say two contracts, and flexibility in knowing that you may not always stay CL at AKV.
 
I would buy BWV first and use the points to experience the other resorts and learn the DVC system. IMO CL at AKV is a let down, 5 possible studios with the worse views at AKV. The CL offerings are so so and not worth the extra points. IMO Disney was stuck with these rooms, didn't want to upset their cash guests by adding them to the cash CL inventory so they made them into DVC rooms.

:earsboy: Bill

 

I would buy BWV first and use the points to experience the other resorts and learn the DVC system. IMO CL at AKV is a let down, 5 possible studios with the worse views at AKV. The CL offerings are so so and not worth the extra points. IMO Disney was stuck with these rooms, didn't want to upset their cash guests by adding them to the cash CL inventory so they made them into DVC rooms.

:earsboy: Bill
I tend to concur. I'd buy one and try it out, maybe more than you're thinking at that resort but less than the total. As stated owning both will likely be the best option for CL and standard at BWV. But if you're truly flexible, you should be able to get BWV preferred 7 months out at some time of the year. One can't count on CL but might get it occasionally if persistent but that's true to a degree even owning at AKV and reserving at 11 months out. It'll likely be easier to get AKV with BWV points than the reverse. I would not routinely do CL, I too think it's over hyped and not a choice I'd do routinely unless one is doing a non park type of trip where you can take full advantage of the lounge AND not doing a Dining Plan. For me if I wanted to stay at both about 50%, I'd buy both but more for the 11 month priority in general and the value rooms at AKV as well as the standard at BWV. In terms of # of points I'd likely look at 150-170 at each or some variations thereof. That'll give you options for a 1 BR at least part of the time, a direction that many end up going that start out looking only at studios. I'd likely buy BWV first then see how it went.
 
I tend to concur. I'd buy one and try it out, maybe more than you're thinking at that resort but less than the total. As stated owning both will likely be the best option for CL and standard at BWV. But if you're truly flexible, you should be able to get BWV preferred 7 months out at some time of the year. One can't count on CL but might get it occasionally if persistent but that's true to a degree even owning at AKV and reserving at 11 months out. It'll likely be easier to get AKV with BWV points than the reverse. I would not routinely do CL, I too think it's over hyped and not a choice I'd do routinely unless one is doing a non park type of trip where you can take full advantage of the lounge AND not doing a Dining Plan. For me if I wanted to stay at both about 50%, I'd buy both but more for the 11 month priority in general and the value rooms at AKV as well as the standard at BWV. In terms of # of points I'd likely look at 150-170 at each or some variations thereof. That'll give you options for a 1 BR at least part of the time, a direction that many end up going that start out looking only at studios. I'd likely buy BWV first then see how it went.

I wouldn't call the food offerings at the CL lounge a replacement for meals. Crackers, veg sticks, 3 warm items, and some other stuff depending on the time of day. We have found that if you don't get there at the right times of day, the offerings are picked over. Sometimes the staff is on their toes and does a good job of refilling the feed trough, other times, not so much.

:earsboy: Bill

 
I wouldn't call the food offerings at the CL lounge a replacement for meals. Crackers, veg sticks, 3 warm items, and some other stuff depending on the time of day. We have found that if you don't get there at the right times of day, the offerings are picked over. Sometimes the staff is on their toes and does a good job of refilling the feed trough, other times, not so much.

:earsboy: Bill
Maybe not all meals but it can easily get you down to one meal a day making the DP unreasonable IMO. My experience there has apparently been much better than yours.
 
Maybe not all meals but it can easily get you down to one meal a day making the DP unreasonable IMO. My experience there has apparently been much better than yours.
I agree with this, on our last CL stay we only ate lunch out of pocket as breakfast and dinner were actually quite substantial and the chefs were really on the ball with having everything out and prepared until the last minute of the service. Maybe they've made improvements? This was just a few weeks ago at AKL.
 
I agree with this, on our last CL stay we only ate lunch out of pocket as breakfast and dinner were actually quite substantial and the chefs were really on the ball with having everything out and prepared until the last minute of the service. Maybe they've made improvements? This was just a few weeks ago at AKL.

Maybe it did change, when we have been there the offerings weren't a meal they were a taste. For the evening, 3 warm items keeping with the AK theme, side offerings like at a cocktale party. Mornings had cold cereal and a warm item like oatmeal and also some fruit.

We didn't count on the offerings as a meal more like nibble to carry you over. Come to think about it people were loading up and taking food back to their rooms.

:earsboy: Bill

 
No one should buy AKV to be able to get Club Level (CL) unless they like living a life of frustration. As an owner of a resort you get to book at 11 months out from date of arrival, and as an AKV owner, you will discover that you cannot even get CL 11 months out about 80% of the time during the year. There are only 5 2BR lock-offs. Since a member can book up to 7 nights from date of arrival at 11 months out, those booking days before you at 11 months out can grab and fill your arrival date. Moreover, even when CL is open at 11 months out, the rooms often disappear within seconds after 8 a.m. exactly 11 months out when reservations can first be made online, and you will lose the battle unless your computer is faster in communicating wth Disney's computers than everyone else's. Those things happen usually with studios and 2BRs but also at times with 1BRs. In other words, you can buy AKV for a lot of good reasons but don't do so if you think that will assure you easy booking of club level rooms. In fact, do not buy DVC at all if main desire is to get a club level room at AKV.

We own both BWV and AKV and consider both ideal resorts. BWV is ideally located with easy access to two parks, two dozen restaurants (Epcot resorts and the two parks), one of the great views at WDW if you get a boardwalk view room, and one of the best point bargains if you get standard view. However, BWV has a 2042 end date which is starting to mean something important, particularly if you are under 50. AKV's end date is 2057.

AKV is also ideal. The resort has a setting like being on an African savanna, with nothing else around, making it seem you are not even in a busy Florida area. Watching the animals is a fun activity, the restaurants are very good, the pools are good, bus service is better than most, kids activities at the resort are good, and if you go larger than a studio, the one and two bedrooms at Kidani are very spacious and have an extra bathroom.

I personally would not buy both as an initial purchase and because of end date would likely not buy BWV now. In considering the purchase, be aware of the following reservation patterns that currently exist at WDW. If you regularly want any room at BWV between late September and marathon weekend in January, DVC's high to extremely high demand season at WDW, you should own at BWV and plan to make reservations 11 months out. At 7 months out, getting anything at BWV during that time can be difficult. Moreover, if you regularly want standard or boardwalk view studios or 2BRs during the mid-January to late Sep period, DVC's low to moderate demand season at WDW, you also need to own there and use the 11 month window because those can disappear much of the time during that period. However, if your plan is to usually go any time between the Monday after the marathon weekend in Jan and late Sep and get a BWV pool/garden view room or a boardwalk or standard view 1BR, then you could just as easily buy SSR at a much lower price and later 2054 end date, and book BWV with the seven month window because those are usually open during that low ot moderate demand season including holidays.

If you want AKV value rooms, you need to be an AKV owner, because those tend to disappear in the 11 month window year round and, in fact, particularly during that last quarter high demand time of the year, you can have probleMs getting value rooms at 11 months out. If you are fine with standard or savanna view rooms, then those rooms are usually open at 7 months out during the low to moderate mid-Jan to late Sep period. Until this year, those were also usually open, except for Jambo rooms, at 7 months out. However, I am seeing changes this year as even Kidani studios have been showing one or more days during a week filled for 11 months out during October (the month currently being booked at 7 months out). Thus, if you want AKV during DVC's high demand season, particularly studios, it is now appearing that you also need to consider owning there.
 
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Maybe it did change, when we have been there the offerings weren't a meal they were a taste. For the evening, 3 warm items keeping with the AK theme, side offerings like at a cocktale party. Mornings had cold cereal and a warm item like oatmeal and also some fruit.

We didn't count on the offerings as a meal more like nibble to carry you over. Come to think about it people were loading up and taking food back to their rooms.

:earsboy: Bill
The last time we were there it was pretty heavy options about 4 times during the day. It was well done and very good.
 
Maybe it did change, when we have been there the offerings weren't a meal they were a taste. For the evening, 3 warm items keeping with the AK theme, side offerings like at a cocktale party. Mornings had cold cereal and a warm item like oatmeal and also some fruit.

We didn't count on the offerings as a meal more like nibble to carry you over. Come to think about it people were loading up and taking food back to their rooms.

:earsboy: Bill

We've done Concierge several times starting in 2009 and the last being last May. I've noticed no significant change. If anything last year had a few things removed. And of course now the need to request some of the alcohol that used to be out. However, it generally works as a meal substitution.
 



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