Pro Choice or Not

[Cool-Beans]

I hate to say it, Declansdad, but you're right. No matter what you say, no matter the context you mean it in, its' twisted, wrapped around a tree, and broke into pieces, as per to fit the quoter.

Even when you do clarify (and quite clearly, at that), it's still taken to the tracks, run over by a train, and then thrown into the ocean, floating around, like a message in a bottle, too wet to understand once found...

I'm able to understand him.

Even on threads where I disagree with him, I'm able to understand him.

So, I'm not sure there is anything wrong with his ability to send a message.

 

[Ariel Mae]

I'm able to understand him.

Even on threads where I disagree with him, I'm able to understand him.

Ditto. I understand him perfectly.

So, I'm not sure there is anything wrong with his ability to send a message.

Then, why is it, Chobie isn't getting a word Declansdad is saying?

I mean, now that I see it's not just me that understands DeclansDad...I was pretty sure, to begin, that DD had good communication skills...maybe it's just Chobie....?

 

[2manypets]

Pro Choice under certain curcumstances, as a friend of mine was raped and became pregnant from the act. She told me, "I can't bring a child into this world that I may posible hate."

Adoption is a wonderful alternative, so many wonderful parent want children and can give what, sometimes, what a biological parent can't.

 

[chobie]

That isn't what I was saying at all and you know it. You are not willing to discuss anything unless they agree with you.

You asked for options, I gave you a couple. I stated that I used the word surrogate for the lack of a better word.

So I ask you what have you written that has added to the discussion?

Okay, then. Rather than keep going at me, why don't you answer LuvDuke's question: "what happens when the woman wants an abortion and does not want to be a 'surrogate'?"

 

[Ariel Mae]

Okay, then. Rather than keep going at me, why don't you answer LuvDuke's question: "what happens when the woman wants an abortion and does not want to be a 'surrogate'?"

You've, yet again, looked over a question/request from DeclansDad.

So I ask you what have you written that has added to the discussion?

This wouldn't be the first time you've 'missed' an inquiry from him directed at you. How's about answering some of theirs instead of taking and turning it backwards?

 

[chobie]

I hate to say it, Declansdad, but you're right. No matter what you say, no matter the context you mean it in, its' twisted, wrapped around a tree, and broke into pieces, as per to fit the quoter.

Even when you do clarify (and quite clearly, at that), it's still taken to the tracks, run over by a train, and then thrown into the ocean, floating around, like a message in a bottle, too wet to understand once found...

I looked back over everything I wrote and still haven't found the quote where I allegedly said that the father is not related to the baby.

 

[SallyfromDE]

I don't think anyone should dictate what others do with thier life. I happen to believe in abortion even though I'd never have one for myself. But I can't tell anyone else what to do with thier life. If abortion is thier choice, so be it. But I don't believe in abortion for birth control. I think that's what happens in too many cases. Another option could be to have laws like in China (I think that's where they do this) and you can only have 1 child per family. I'm just thinking in terms of "growth" in the country.

 

[Ariel Mae]

I looked back over everything I wrote and still haven't found the quote where I allegedly said that the father is not related to the baby.

*sighs* First, you're inquired to something, and you turn it backwards. Second, you stretch things out. Third, yo're yet again inquired as to something, and you flip it...how's about not turning things about? It's not that hard, ya know. When you're asked to provide the proof at your assertions, you do it, you don't pull the, "Well, *insert query here*" card. I quoted you, well, in that post. If you need to, go back and read it. I guarantee it's not that hard. I quoted exactly what you're looking for. 'tis why I haven't requoted it. Because it's already there, in black and white. But, like I've seen, you either put words in, or take words out, of other people's mouths, so it's rather pointless.

 

[Ariel Mae]

*side note

Chobie, you're on my ignore list, so, don't bother replies to me. I won't be able to read them, nor will I. Thought I'd inform you of such, before you wasted your breath on an 'ignorant teenager'.

 

[chobie]

*sighs* First, you're inquired to something, and you turn it backwards. Second, you stretch things out. Third, yo're yet again inquired as to something, and you flip it...how's about not turning things about? It's not that hard, ya know. When you're asked to provide the proof at your assertions, you do it, you don't pull the, "Well, *insert query here*" card. I quoted you, well, in that post. If you need to, go back and read it. I guarantee it's not that hard. I quoted exactly what you're looking for. 'tis why I haven't requoted it. Because it's already there, in black and white. But, like I've seen, you either put words in, or take words out, of other people's mouths, so it's rather pointless.

No. I said that the woman is the only one who gives birth and gestates. The rest was your interpretation.


I don't have to prove the only assertion I have made, which is that only the woman gives birth and gestates. I think everyone will take that as a given.

 

[chobie]

*side note

Chobie, you're on my ignore list, so, don't bother replies to me. I won't be able to read them, nor will I. Thought I'd inform you of such, before you wasted your breath on an 'ignorant teenager'.

Oh you are a teenager, who knew?

 

[chobie]

What if she doesn't want to be a surrogate? What if the man failed to use birth control and the woman gets pregnant? What are his responsibilities then?

Bumping this up because it was never answered by the person who suggested that we "have the woman be a surrogate."

 

[Ariel Mae]

To restate my opinion, to kind of clear things up, bring things up to speed/topic:

I am pro choice.

I am also pro-father's rights. I believe (you may not agree, and if you don't, so be it. To each their own. I cannot prove my viewpoint, but I see no need to, as it's a personal belief) the father should have a say in the matter. A voice, a chance/option to do something, instead of idly sit by while the mother of his child 'kills' it. Why do I believe this? Based on a friends' experiences with abortion. She and her, now divorced husband, have had an abortion. She wanted it, he didn't. She went ahead and had it, without even so much as asking his viewpoint, and he went through a lot of stress with it. Sure, he didn't birth it/carry it, nor did he feel the physical pains of the abortion/aftermath, but he did feel the mental strains and burnout that accompanied the stress. He would ask, "Why did she do it? Why didn't she ask me before killing my offspring?". It wasn't so much that he didn't want the abortion (they were both far too young, and far too unstable in the financial department, to handle/care for a child, and neither wanted to see their child put into an adoption home), but he wanted a say in it. He was a wreck, for weeks, after she had the abortion. They stayed together, for quite a while, but they eventually split. Not because of the abortion itself, but because the mother was a clear advocate of 'woman's rights', and she was giving the father no say in their sex life, or their offspring. He later found out that was the second abortion she had had. He was able to say, for this one, "At least I was told about it."

That's my view.

How's about yours?

 

[chobie]

I think everyone agrees that father should have a say in it. And everyone appears to agree that the say should have no legal effect. That say should not mean he can veto the woman's decision.

 

[declansdad]

Bumping this up because it was never answered by the person who suggested that we "have the woman be a surrogate."

I have said over and over I DON"T KNOW. That is why I suggested we have the discussion.

Chobie, since we already know you feel that man should have no real input into the decision, answer this.

Tha man wants the child but the woman doesn't so she has an abortion. The man is distraught over the loss of his unborn child and becomes mentally ill. Should the woman provide financial assistance to the man if it is shown that it was her decision that caused his illness?

 

[LuvDuke]

MANY of you, naturally, refer to Roe Vs. Wade in your arguements...
Did you know that "Jane Roe" is actually a strong advocate for the Pro-life movement now?
<<A Christian since her conversion in 1995, Roe's real name is Norma McCorvey, and her life is dedicated to her ministry called "Roe No More."

In an exclusive interview with WorldNetDaily last week, McCorvey shared her life story and explained how she was "used" by pro-abortion attorneys in their quest to legalize the procedure. >>

Yup, knew that. So? And ............ ?

 

[LuvDuke]

I hate to say it, Declansdad, but you're right. No matter what you say, no matter the context you mean it in, its' twisted, wrapped around a tree, and broke into pieces, as per to fit the quoter.

Even when you do clarify (and quite clearly, at that), it's still taken to the tracks, run over by a train, and then thrown into the ocean, floating around, like a message in a bottle, too wet to understand once found...

Are you trying to say FUBAR?

 

[Ariel Mae]

Are you trying to say FUBAR?

*blinks* Huh?

 

[LuvDuke]

I have said over and over I DON"T KNOW. That is why I suggested we have the discussion.

Chobie, since we already know you feel that man should have no real input into the decision, answer this.

Tha man wants the child but the woman doesn't so she has an abortion. The man is distraught over the loss of his unborn child and becomes mentally ill. Should the woman provide financial assistance to the man if it is shown that it was her decision that caused his illness?

How come I've never met any of these men?

Is there a rash of men somewhere mourning the fact that they are not fathers?

At this point, I think it would be fair to say the law, as it stands now, works just fine. All the fine tuning suggested in the last umpteenth pages would do absolutely nothing except add more confusion.

 

[LuvDuke]

*blinks* Huh?

Too young.