Principal 'paddling' first grader for damaging computer

[Suger Mag]

Now, the science is settled that spanking is inferior to other disciplinary techniques at changing behavior - and increases violent behavior.

If you want to stick with your anecdotal evidence that it works for your kid, fine. But don't expect to convince others who have decades of scientific consensus without at least providing some empirical evidence.

The defensiveness ... people who were abused as children by their parents dont want to acknowledge that the cycle continues. It makes it more palatable to call it discipline and convince yourself that spanking or hitting your child is the only effective solution that will work... I think it makes it easier...rather than call it for what it is. Abuse.

I love my mother, she is a good person who tried the best with what she had. but yeah... she never hit me as punishment unless she was furious and frustrated. She would lose control and hit me with whatever she could lay her hands on... hairbrush... spoon... yes that was abuse. and It did nothing to stop my behavior. I just learned to be better at getting away with it. And then when I was too big to hit anymore... then I got into REAL trouble. I can honestly say that my mother hitting me did NOTHING to make me a better or productive person. Life and experience was a much better teacher.

 

[White Cat]

You asked me what I thought.

Right, and what you think doesn’t matter.

 

[mjkacmom]

It doesn’t really matter what you think.

Are you afraid of hard working immigrants taking away your low paying jobs?

 

[White Cat]

Are you afraid of hard working immigrants taking away your low paying jobs?

No. I would hire 20 of them today if I could. I employee over 60 of them now from several countries. All legal. On average they earn $60,000 per year. Surprise! Actually right now we are considering trying to sponsor workers from Liberia (do you even know where that is) since we feel that they would be very willing to work, make money and be productive.
Your statement has nothing to do with the mother being deported.

 

[MillauFr]

She could have done that in her own country. One has nothing to do with the other. So she’s a hero. Now she can be deported.

You still haven't presented any evidence that you can prove she is in the United States illegally.

 

[AndreaA]

You still haven't presented any evidence that you can prove she is in the United States illegally.

I believe it’s been widely reported - and it’s why some are excusing her failure to stop the principal under the belief she was afraid of being turned in to ICE.

 

[DLgal]

Right, and what you think doesn’t matter.

Then why did you ask?

No one here cares what you think either. We all know what you're trying to do. It's not working.

 

[wenrob]

Y’all stop taking the bait. This is exactly what he wants. Let him spin out and say more outrageous things until he goes too far and then it will be problem solved.

 

[Kitty 34]

Just a reminder....."ignore" can really help .

 

[rjb123]

There is so much discussion about mom on this thread and little to no discussion about the real issue: The schools that continue to abuse children and hire abusers. Not just physical abusers, but the sexual predators that float from state to state and "teach" our children. And kids NEED to be in schools because they are so SAFE! Yeah right. Safe places for perverts like this dirtbag to get off on touching children and beating them for their own pleasure. Sick.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

There is so much discussion about mom on this thread and little to no discussion about the real issue: The schools that continue to abuse children and hire abusers.

There's been discussion about the principal and the worker but it would appear just about everyone agrees what they did (and aided in) shouldn't have occurred. What more are we supposed to say other than say it's awful and that stuff shouldn't (*corrected tense) be allowed? It's illegal in that county so the principal and the worker were committing an illegal act. What more are we supposed to say on that other than keep up if and what charges are filed?

The reason the mom is being so heavily discussed is because of her actions during and after and the reasons she gave for her actions as well as she is the one that brought it to the news. It's her side the one we're hearing from with the video to show partially the other side.

FWIW we have no idea if the principal and the worker were child abusers in the habitual sense or that they were when they were hired and the school knew about it or even that this is something they've done in the past. Clearly the principal was prepared for it as she had the paddle. If there has been anyone in the past that has had this happen to them I hope they have the courage to step forward but as far as I know this is being treated as an isolated incident, albeit a horrific one at that.

 

[Scouter]

not all marks are physical.

Absolutely!!!!!!

 

[daisy2013]

There is so much discussion about mom on this thread and little to no discussion about the real issue: The schools that continue to abuse children and hire abusers. Not just physical abusers, but the sexual predators that float from state to state and "teach" our children. And kids NEED to be in schools because they are so SAFE! Yeah right. Safe places for perverts like this dirtbag to get off on touching children and beating them for their own pleasure. Sick.

As someone who makes my living suing school district on behalf of children- the vast majority of teachers/administrators/staff are wonderful people who do the best they can and truly work incredibly hard. There are some that got into teaching for the summers off and even fewer who abuse their role as trusted adult and abuse students. Unfortunately they tend to be the ones that make the news.

 

[wenrob]

There's been discussion about the principal and the worker but it would appear just about everyone agrees what they did (and aided in) shouldn't have occurred. What more are we supposed to say other than say it's awful and that stuff shouldn't (*corrected tense) be allowed? It's illegal in that county so the principal and the worker were committing an illegal act. What more are we supposed to say on that other than keep up if and what charges are filed?

The reason the mom is being so heavily discussed is because of her actions during and after and the reasons she gave for her actions as well as she is the one that brought it to the news. It's her side the one we're hearing from with the video to show partially the other side.

FWIW we have no idea if the principal and the worker were child abusers in the habitual sense or that they were when they were hired and the school knew about it or even that this is something they've done in the past. Clearly the principal was prepared for it as she had the paddle. If there has been anyone in the past that has had this happen to them I hope they have the courage to step forward but as far as I know this is being treated as an isolated incident, albeit a horrific one at that.

Dollars to donuts this wasn’t an isolated incident. That was too practiced to have never happened before. It’s more likely those that signed the paper to let her “paddle” their kids didn’t bother with the option to witness it and probably blew off their kids as being dramatic if they complained about it being more than a swat. Pure speculation on my part but those two appeared to be pretty damn efficient at it suggesting this wasn’t their first rodeo. I guess we’ll find out if/when it goes to court.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Dollars to donuts this wasn’t an isolated incident. That was too practiced to have never happened before. It’s more likely those that signed the paper to let her “paddle” their kids didn’t bother with the option to witness it and probably blew off their kids as being dramatic if they complained about it being more than a swat. Pure speculation on my part but those two appeared to be pretty damn efficient at it suggesting this wasn’t their first rodeo. I guess we’ll find out if/when it goes to court.

I won't argue against that point, I was responding to a poster who said "The schools that continue to abuse children and hire abusers." Unless there were prior incidents with the school knowing (either before or after they hired her and her worker) and knowingly continued to allow an illegal activity to occur then the person's 'real issue' doesn't really pertain to this situation. But it's why I also said as far as I know and that I hope if this happened before those affected have the courage to come forward (and it's not that I couldn't see this being something that had happened in the past that just hasn't come to light as of yet to my knowledge).

 

[wenrob]

I won't argue against that point, I was responding to a poster who said "The schools that continue to abuse children and hire abusers." Unless there were prior incidents with the school knowing (either before or after they hired her and her worker) and knowingly continued to allow an illegal activity to occur then the person's 'real issue' doesn't really pertain to this situation. But it's why I also said as far as I know and that I hope if this happened before those affected have the courage to come forward (and it's not that I couldn't see this being something that had happened in the past that just hasn't come to light as of yet to my knowledge).

I understood your point. Should have cut the first couple paragraphs. That said I get that poster’s point as well. While the VAST majority of educators are excellent at what they do and only want what is best for kids there are some that repeatedly cross lines and it’s ignored. I know this from my own public education and that of my kids. My high school gym teacher is serving life for sexually abusing his students and that didn’t happen until more than a decade after I was out of school. Took more than 20 years to get anyone to listen. My son’s Geography teacher was just straight up nuts. The kids were terrified of him. Over and over we went to higher ups and told them what this guy was saying. It was only after he told his class he’d abandon them if there was a school shooting and openly admitted it that he was let go-and went directly to another school which is I think the point that poster was making. In my experience for every five excellent educators there’s there are a couple mediocre ones and one really, REALLY bad apple that is allowed to move on and cause more damage. I suspect we’ll find out this principal was one of those. But to your point we’ve all agreed that this person is not fit to be in charge of kids and that’s why we all kind of moved on.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I understood your point. Should have cut the first couple paragraphs. That said I get that poster’s point as well. While the VAST majority of educators are excellent at what they do and only want what is best for kids there are some that repeatedly cross lines and it’s ignored. I know this from my own public education and that of my kids. My high school gym teacher is serving life for sexually abusing his students and that didn’t happen until more than a decade after I was out of school. Took more than 20 years to get anyone to listen. My son’s Geography teacher was just straight up nuts. The kids were terrified of him. Over and over we went to higher ups and told them what this guy was saying. It was only after he told his class he’d abandon them if there was a school shooting and openly admitted it that he was let go-and went directly to another school which is I think the point that poster was making. In my experience for every five excellent educators there’s there are a couple mediocre ones and one really, REALLY bad apple that is allowed to move on and cause more damage. I suspect we’ll find out this principal was one of those. But to your point we’ve all agreed that this person is not fit to be in charge of kids and that’s why we all kind of moved on.

I am so sorry to hear about your gym teacher . There's actually something very similar to that in one of the school districts in my area. It's pretty awful. And my alma mater had that with their football coach. It def. is out there. I understand what you're meaning and understand now if the other poster was more speaking generally. There is a culture out there regarding behaviors from educators or those in close contact with students agree on that.

 

[penn19]

Florida is a backward thinking State. If Florida is not a part of the USA it certainly will be a 3rd world country.

Maybe because they have so many people from other states and countries? For a Third World Country, people sure are eager to live/visit there.

 

[wenrob]

I am so sorry to hear about your gym teacher . There's actually something very similar to that in one of the school districts in my area. It's pretty awful. And my alma mater had that with their football coach. It def. is out there. I understand what you're meaning and understand now if the other poster was more speaking generally. There is a culture out there regarding behaviors from educators or those in close contact with students agree on that.

The crazy thing is that particular gym teacher is not the one who took advantage of his position with *me* (he tried but that’s another story). My female gym teacher in 8th grade did. Like I said I have stories from at least every year from my schooling and all three of my kids. From just terrible to should never be around kids. (Crack addict shop teacher anyone?) It’s definitely a problem and like you said there’s a culture and protections there that make it very hard to weed them out.

 

[wenrob]

Maybe because they have so many people from other states and countries? For a Third World Country, people sure are eager to live/visit there.

My position on Florida is there are too many critters there. I’m deathly afraid of reptiles so while I’m sure it’s a fine state I have no desire to visit.