Prince Andrew

[RedAngie]

Yesterday the BBC caught a picture of Andrew and his mom out riding horses with 2 body guards. I was more impressed that his mom was on a horse riding, but nothing like bonding time with mom when they both know he is going to be indicted by our FBI. Can he stay in England and claim clemency and not return to the US?

He can come to the US to answer questions when that American woman who killed a pedestrian with her car and fled claiming diplomatic immunity is returned to the UK.

 

[ronandannette]

He can come to the US to answer questions when that American woman who killed a pedestrian with her car and fled claiming diplomatic immunity is returned to the UK.

I don't know for sure but I'd imagine the Royals have some sort of diplomatic immunity as well, which is VERY sucky in cases like this and the one with the hit-and-run. Just out of curiosity, what jurisdiction did these crimes take place in? The USVI, correct? Pardon my ignorance but does that territory fall under US federal jurisdiction?

 

[RedAngie]

I don't know for sure but I'd imagine the Royals have some sort of diplomatic immunity as well, which is VERY sucky in cases like this and the one with the hit-and-run. Just out of curiosity, what jurisdiction did these crimes take place in? The USVI, correct? Pardon my ignorance but does that territory fall under US federal jurisdiction?

Sorry, I don't know any details where crimes took place. If in the US Virgin Islands, yes, the US Federal government has jurisdiction.

 

[BadPinkTink]

He can come to the US to answer questions when that American woman who killed a pedestrian with her car and fled claiming diplomatic immunity is returned to the UK.

exactly and as messed up as this is, a child died in UK and child sexual abuse in USA, the USA authorities can't have it both ways. They can't demand Prince Andrew goes to America to face prosecution while at the same time protecting that American woman.

 

[luvsJack]

Are y’all just speculating or has the FBI said anything about questioning Prince Andrew? Wouldn’t they need to start also questioning the many celebrities and politicians that had ties to Epstein here in the US?

 

[dish rag]

exactly and as messed up as this is, a child died in UK and child sexual abuse in USA, the USA authorities can't have it both ways. They can't demand Prince Andrew goes to America to face prosecution while at the same time protecting that American woman.

Sure they can.

 

[DisneyOma]

There are plenty of reasons why people aren't feeling the love for MM (and Harry, these days). I think first and foremost, she's American, not British, and she was divorced. It rekindled thoughts of when Prince Edward abdicated the throne for divorced American Wallis Simpson in the 1930s. Then there's the fallout with her family, and that she's never introduced her father to his son-in-law or his grandson, and he was excluded in front of the whole world from their lavish wedding. They spent over 3 million taxpayer dollars renovating Frogmore Cottage when they already had a nice place to live at Kensington Palace. They had a falling out with beloved Prince William and Kate, and separated themselves from the charity they'd just started together to then go off and do their own thing. She and Harry criticize others for not caring about global warming issues while they fly by private jet all over the place, and throw more criticism out to others about poverty while they enjoy an extremely wealthy and priveledged lifestyle. To name just some of the issues. People don't like a lot of those things.

I read a lot of things about her including Comments to stories, and the fact that she's half black really does not seem to be an issue for the vast majority of people. Many people question the same thing that the pp here did, tbh. Personally, I'm fascinated with their story, but it is like watching a train wreck in a lot of ways. It without question has been another of the concerns of the Queen, because, as I've said, she is extremely cognizant and concerned about the way members of the RF present themselves to the public. Harry, as the son of the future King (Charles), is on the edge between being a minor royal, and a major royal (as I understand it as a casual observer). Andrew, a little less so.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Meghan-stop-behaving-like-spoiled-brats.html

thank you for your viewpoint - that's what I was asking L&Lfan to do. From what you've described, the same crowd must hate Charles too.

Pea, you said it beautifully!!!
The haters can go pound sand.

How's that sandpounding going? You described yourself as one, correct? If that's how you feel, you must dislike pretty much the entire royal family. That's your choice of course, but just saying...

Plenty of reasons. But there are always those who want to turn any dis-like into a race thing. They pull out the R card any chance they get. This just seemed to start a few years ago.

What do you mean by "this"? Racism has been a thing for centuries.

And how every opinion they disagree with has to be “explained”.
Buzz off! I have no obligation to “explain” anything on an anonymous message board.

Wow, sorry I touched a nerve - asked you to explain why, and you couldn't. that says quite a bit, doesn't it? A simple explanation would have sufficed, and yet...

He owes you NOTHING.

Correct, he/she doesn't. Never said that, but asking is okay too. And it was a simple question.

 

[DisneyOma]

Why would an American care if Meghan is not English or that Harry married someone who is bi-racial? That was quite a leap there.

I used to prefer Andrew to Charles. He just seemed like more of the leader type. Maybe stronger than Charles. But well, I guess Charles is the better man.

I don’t really care one way or the other since I don’t live in the UK so they aren’t really “my” royals but I much prefer Kate over Meghan. She just seems more real. I really like Harry though. He has always been my favorite of the two sons.

Sadly, none of them seem to have any spine, do they? Charles let himself get bullied into marrying Diana, ruined her life and contributed to her untimely death. Then he marries his divorcee lover, and lives happily ever after. Of all the royals, he's my least favorite. I could go as far as to say i strongly dislike him. I think Edward is the smartest of the brothers - staying out of everything as much as possible

 

[Welsh_Dragon]

exactly and as messed up as this is, a child died in UK and child sexual abuse in USA, the USA authorities can't have it both ways. They can't demand Prince Andrew goes to America to face prosecution while at the same time protecting that American woman.

Prince Andrew may or may not have had sex with a 17 year old woman, who may have consented ( or at least not refused consent) at the time, who may or may not have been a prostitute (with Maxwell as her Madam and Epstein as her pimp) , who was capacious and had parents who deemed her capable of making her own decisions. Does she look back on the decisions and choices that she made with regret? Apparently so. Was she groomed by Epstein and Maxwell? Who knows? Was she rewarded for what she did? Who knows? Has anyone seen a contemporaneous photograph of her looking sad or uncomfortable ?

Does anyone really believe that if she met Prince Andrew and said, ‘Please help me, I have been raped’, or ‘I have been forced into prostitution’ that he would not have helped her?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but not when it is used to blame others and shirk responsibility for one’s own actions.

Prince Andrew is only a witness, nothing more. He has not been accused of, arrested for or charged with any crime. Just a witness.

 

[SirDuff]

He can come to the US to answer questions when that American woman who killed a pedestrian with her car and fled claiming diplomatic immunity is returned to the UK.

Ignoring the tit-for-tat, his ability to claim diplomatic immunity depends on why he traveled.

My understanding is that the request for questioning (at least some of them) are not to see if he should be charged, but to get information on the cases of other people. For that, at this point, any travel he does will be unofficial (since he no longer has official duties), so he is liable for questioning in the US anytime he might visit there.

Whether or not he can claim diplomatic for any potential crimes, again, it depends on why he was traveling to whether the crimes took place - was he on vacation or was he there for an official mission?

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Prince Andrew may or may not have had sex with a 17 year old woman, who may have consented ( or at least not refused consent) at the time, who may or may not have been a prostitute (with Maxwell as her Madam and Epstein as her pimp) , who was capacious and had parents who deemed her capable of making her own decisions. Does she look back on the decisions and choices that she made with regret? Apparently so. Was she groomed by Epstein and Maxwell? Who knows? Was she rewarded for what she did? Who knows? Has anyone seen a contemporaneous photograph of her looking sad or uncomfortable ?

Does anyone really believe that if she met Prince Andrew and said, ‘Please help me, I have been raped’, or ‘I have been forced into prostitution’ that he would not have helped her?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but not when it is used to blame others and shirk responsibility for one’s own actions.

Prince Andrew is only a witness, nothing more. He has not been accused of, arrested for or charged with any crime. Just a witness.

@Welsh_Dragon The thing is, these girls were being trafficked by a convicted pedophile and registered sex offender. (Epstein previously served a year on a plea deal.)

Not all were 17, either - some were much younger. (Apparently the younger, the better for Epstein; and by extension, some of his "friends", many of whom we haven't heard much about yet.)

Girls that age cannot consent to being prostitutes, they're children. The girls that were chosen for him were mostly all vulnerable in one way or another, too - many near homelessness or with other difficulties in their pasts, as well as some being from other countries, flown in on his private jet (aka the "Lolita Express"). Disgusting man, he, when you read details from investigators.

I wasn't entirely clear on what it was that Epstein was accused of, either. So yesterday I read a long expose on the subject by a writer for the Miami Herald named Julie E Brown. It was pretty eye opening. I am not going to post a link here because of its content, but it is worth a read to understand what it is that this sicko was charged with. Looking now at what was going on back then, all I can say is Wow. This really is quite disastrous for those involved.

"Most of the girls came from disadvantaged families, single-parent homes or foster care. Some had experienced troubles that belied their ages: They had parents and friends who committed suicide; mothers abused by husbands and boyfriends; fathers who molested and beat them. One girl had watched her stepfather strangle her 8-year-old stepbrother, according to court records obtained by the Herald.

Many of the girls were one step away from homelessness."

Epstein’s scheme first began to unravel in March 2005, when the parents of a 14-year-old girl told Palm Beach police that she had been molested by Epstein at his mansion. The girl reluctantly confessed that she had been brought there by two other girls, and those girls pointed to two more girls who had been there.

By the time detectives tracked down one victim, there were two and three more to find. Soon there were dozens.

“We didn’t know where the victims would ever end,” Reiter said.

Eventually, the girls told them about still other girls and young women they had seen at Epstein’s house, many of whom didn’t speak English, Recarey said. That led Recarey to suspect that Epstein’s exploits weren’t just confined to Palm Beach. Police obtained the flight logs for his private plane, and found female names and initials among the list of people who flew on the aircraft — including the names of some famous and powerful people who had also been passengers, Recarey said.

One lawsuit, still pending in New York, alleges that Epstein used an international modeling agency to recruit girls as young as 13 from Europe, Ecuador and Brazil. The girls lived in a New York building owned by Epstein, who paid for their visas, according to the sworn statement of Maritza Vasquez, the one-time bookkeeper for Mc2, the modeling agency.

 

[Minniesgal]

Hasn't the monarchy had it's share of scandals since the beginning of time? I don't think some pervert prince is going to be it's downfall.

Certainly not the first pervert prince.

 

[L&Lfan]

And certainly won’t be the last!

 

[dish rag]

thank you for your viewpoint - that's what I was asking L&Lfan to do. From what you've described, the same crowd must hate Charles too.


How's that sandpounding going? You described yourself as one, correct? If that's how you feel, you must dislike pretty much the entire royal family. That's your choice of course, but just saying...



What do you mean by "this"? Racism has been a thing for centuries.



Wow, sorry I touched a nerve - asked you to explain why, and you couldn't. that says quite a bit, doesn't it? A simple explanation would have sufficed, and yet...



Correct, he/she doesn't. Never said that, but asking is okay too. And it was a simple question.

What I mean is that in the last few years it’s become fashionable to bring up race when someone doesn’t agree with their view point. Or to call someone a racist if they don’t like a person who happens to be a minority. You did that in a back handed way.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Andrew's duties (and office) being taken away were reportedly orchestrated by Prince Charles, who is in New Zealand. The future king reportedly spoke to the Queen and said he had to go. Again, for the good of the monarchy. Charles has been on record as saying he wants to streamline the monarchy, anyway, and that, a few years ago, caused some friction between him and Andrew, and Andrew's daughters Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. Eugenie had a big royal wedding last year, but Beatrice is scheduled to be married next year and this has left questions about what will become of her nuptials.

https://www.news.com.au/entertainme...g/news-story/793770884de72ad265b9dcc711cbd83e
From 2016:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/royal-rift-princes-charles-andrew-115428320.html

 

[Pea-n-Me]

This is a good read for anyone who thinks that Meghan's being bi-racial is why the public is becoming disenchanted with her:

https://www.nowtolove.com.au/royals/british-royal-family/meghan-markle-feud-53096

 

[disneyjunkie]

Plenty of reasons. But there are always those who want to turn any dis-like into a race thing. They pull out the R card any chance they get. This just seemed to start a few years ago.

I have been a member here since 2001. Thinly veiled racial comments/attitudes have always been posted here. Calling it out is not a new phenomenon on the DIS.

 

[DisKaren]

I have been a member here since 2001. Thinly veiled racial comments/attitudes have always been posted here. Calling it out is not a new phenomenon on the DIS.

I don’t believe that’s what the pp meant. The race card gets played when there are no “thinly veiled racial comments/attitudes” involved. For example, if you stated that you didn’t like Obama, or even just that you didn’t agree with his policies, you were called a racist by some people. I see more current examples of the race card played a lot. . . too many to go into here.

 

[dish rag]

I have been a member here since 2001. Thinly veiled racial comments/attitudes have always been posted here. Calling it out is not a new phenomenon on the DIS.

I have never read any, maybe they are deleted before I read them. But either way, that's up to the mods to decide. To call out another poster would usually be against the rules and that person would earn points.

 

[dish rag]

I don’t believe that’s what the pp meant. The race card gets played when there are no “thinly veiled racial comments/attitudes” involved. For example, if you stated that you didn’t like Obama, or even just that you didn’t agree with his policies, you were called a racist by some people. I see more current examples of the race card played a lot. . . too many to go into here.

That's what I was talking about, but that poster knew that I'm sure. It's very easy for these people to pull out the R card to discredit someone. Seems race is more on their minds then the ones they chastise. Disney Oma in my mind in a back handed way called LL fan a racist for not liking Harrys wife. Her race never entered my mind as why he doesn't. Probably the fact that she is annoying is why he and many don't.