Price Increase Coming.....

Obviously they want big spender, one offs. It's literally what they said about that big spending family from Denver who had to wait in a line because of your unfavorable presence.

Well they got a wiser DVC member this year who refused to eat at any table service restaurants this go around (we did get Kona Express twice), ordered his own groceries for breakfast, drinks and snacks, only purchased specific merchandise at his home resort (once the 30% went into effect) and used his AP from last year. 🤣

They still got me, but I was pretty unfavorable this go around. We spent two days just enjoying The Polynesian without going to a park. The days we did go to the parks, we were back at the resort by 4.

We watched Enchantment and Mickey's Not So Scary Fireworks from the beach every night.

There's just so much at Walt Disney World that's not the parks. I don't feel the need to run around and do every single thing anymore. Next visit, we are hitting up a water park (and skipping a park day) and I really want to try out one of the mini-golf places.

Compared to a typical year, this trip was paired down but no one complained or felt like they didn't get to do anything.
 
I love that Disney created such a diverse bubble that you can enjoy without going into the theme parks. Even still, I love being in the parks, even if they are crowded. I love being on Main Street, walking by the castle, grabbing snacks, or just people watching. I love all the energy, especially in the evenings with all the lights and the entertainment. Of course I don't like waiting in 90 minute stby lines, and I wouldn't. I'll go ride or do something else. I just love that the parks are there as an option, so close to my resorts.
 

I’m not there yet either. My trip next week is my 7th in 2 years and I have a park planned for every day. I was at Aulani 2 weeks ago and that was my first true resort vacation and I really liked it. I keep telling myself once I’m sick of the parks I’ll explore the resorts more thoroughly. What’s the average timeline to get burnt out? I’m a Disneyland girl that goes multiple times a week so maybe I’m not programmed to get burnt out. Buying into DVC just sucked me in even more. 😅
 
I've read your other posts about liking timeshare accommodations on other threads. Which/where do you like and recommend?
Here's a pretty good summary of the main points-based players:
https://www.disboards.com/threads/p...ty-sorry-for-the-length.3893433/post-64240054

I own several weeks' worth of points in Wyndham, plus a few "unbranded" summer Wisconsin weeks that I use primarily for exchanging. I've also been in a wide collection of Hilton and Disney resorts, plus a couple of Bluegreen. We don't have much experience in Marriott, but that's going to change this year.

Some of the notable Wyndham resorts we've enjoyed are Smoky Mountains (TN), Bonnet Creek, Old Town Alexandria (DC/VA), and Smuggler's Notch (VT). We also really like Kauai Beach Villas, but the units are a little tired; we always stay oceanfront which makes up for a lot. For Hilton, we've enjoyed Sunrise Lodge (UT), Kings Land and Kohala on Hawaii island, Lagoon Tower on Oahu, and Sea World in Orlando. We've also been to Bluegreen's Boyne Mountain several times, but that's mostly because it is an easy drive for us, and when we can get a bargain on it, we'll pick up a week there just for a long weekend.
 
Anyone starting to speculate what will happen to resale prices with these suspected increases? Will the ROFR floor go up?
 
Anyone starting to speculate what will happen to resale prices with these suspected increases? Will the ROFR floor go up?

We are already seeing DVD take a less active ROFR role and they know prices will be increases.

I think we are going to see things go down a bit for many of the resorts.
 
Exactly, re: Summer cottage! If airfare wasn't so sucky, we'd be back longer/more often/buying more points. We can go to DVC/WDW for what we'd pay for a week at the ocean, and I don't have to pack sheets and towels and do all the cooking and have lumpy mattresses.
What do we think they consider big spenders? I always wonder this. Is it people spending $10,000 a week on food, extras, and souvenirs on top of tickets and hotels? $5000? I just cannot imagine that’s sustainable to attract to fill their parks like they do.
 
What do we think they consider big spenders? I always wonder this. Is it people spending $10,000 a week on food, extras, and souvenirs on top of tickets and hotels? $5000? I just cannot imagine that’s sustainable to attract to fill their parks like they do.

I think what they are comparing is an AP holder against as many day multi day ticket holders that visit an equivalent number of times the AP If, as an AP holder, I go three times a year, and average $2K each trip, I am spending $6k a year. Say an average family not holding an AP is spending $4K a trip....that's $12K a year because its three different families.

The interesting part is that if people, especially DVC owners, can not get an AP, and have to buy multiday tickets instead (and these are not discounted), they are either going to go less often, or spend less on food, drinks, etc. because the ticket cost is more.

It leads me to believe, and they have said it, that the difference between the two is pretty decent to have still suspended sales (if its not due to the lawsuits). The fact that they are renewing passes tells you they do not want to eliminate the program and will have something new at some point. It makes no sense to continue to allow renewals if your goal is to scrap them altogether. You simply give a sunset date and move on.
 
Here's a pretty good summary of the main points-based players:
https://www.disboards.com/threads/p...ty-sorry-for-the-length.3893433/post-64240054

I own several weeks' worth of points in Wyndham, plus a few "unbranded" summer Wisconsin weeks that I use primarily for exchanging. I've also been in a wide collection of Hilton and Disney resorts, plus a couple of Bluegreen. We don't have much experience in Marriott, but that's going to change this year.

Some of the notable Wyndham resorts we've enjoyed are Smoky Mountains (TN), Bonnet Creek, Old Town Alexandria (DC/VA), and Smuggler's Notch (VT). We also really like Kauai Beach Villas, but the units are a little tired; we always stay oceanfront which makes up for a lot. For Hilton, we've enjoyed Sunrise Lodge (UT), Kings Land and Kohala on Hawaii island, Lagoon Tower on Oahu, and Sea World in Orlando. We've also been to Bluegreen's Boyne Mountain several times, but that's mostly because it is an easy drive for us, and when we can get a bargain on it, we'll pick up a week there just for a long weekend.
So you don’t actually own DVC?
 
So you don’t actually own DVC?
No, and that turns out to be a long and somewhat accidental story.

We first considered buying in the mid-00s. We were looking to return to WDW one week per year, in a 2BR, during Magic season. That meant we needed in the neighborhood of 300 points. At that point in our lives, even a resale purchase of that size would end up committing the vast majority of our vacation dollars. We passed because (a) we wanted take one or two more vacations each year in addition to an annual Disney trip, (b) we were not sure the kids wouldn't "age out" of Disney before the payoff horizon, and (c) we were willing to consider off-site resorts as well. We ended up buying Wyndham (resale) as our first timeshare purchase. It was much less expensive than DVC.

Then, a bunch of things happened all at once that weren't really planned, but worked out well, and we ended up well positioned to exchange into DVC. The exchange landscape kept changing, but--mostly due to dumb luck--I had a portfolio that was easy to reposition as that happened. Along the way, our own vacation needs changed in a way that reduced the number of times we'd return to Orlando as a foursome. So, in hindsight, that 300 point purchase would have been overkill, and we were able to get the units we wanted with exchange most years.

We've revisited the idea of buying several times as our financial picture got rosier, but I can't quite convince myself to spend the money given that (a) we aren't Disney-or-nothing vacationers and (b) exchange keeps working well enough to feed our lower-level pixie dust addiction. I just went back to check, and over the years we've made exchanges that, if we'd booked them internally, would have averaged something north of 250 pts/year. So maybe that addiction isn't as low-level as I thought.

I generally discourage people from trying to replicate this because--again--a lot of this was dumb luck and I am not sure I could do it again if I tried. It also takes a fair amount of time to work the various exchange angles, but I view it as a hobby, and the hunt itself is part of the fun. I think most people find exchanging to be at least a little frustrating. And, it remains to be seen whether or not we will be able to ride out the switch back to II with our current portfolio. If not, well, it was fun while it lasted!

I've half a mind to see if I can pick up a resale if the recession I expect comes to pass. But, there's also the problem that we now own enough timeshare that I have to work pretty hard to use it all up before it expires. The covid pause generated a backlog that made all that worse. We've not had anything expire yet, but that's partly because we are inviting family to join us more often, and are extending vacations longer than we might otherwise. But I'm not sure what I'd get rid of to make room for something else.
 
Makes sense. I think I was interpreting it more as a price floor.

I didn’t know about DVC until just under a year ago. The product still makes sense to me and seems like it adds value and helps our family achieve our goals (at some costs). I do see that things have taken a turn and Disney doesn’t seem to be as “fair” with DVC based on the history I get from you veterans of the program.

Disney also seems to be doing the same thing with most other areas of the theme park and hotel options. I often chat with my grandma about the prices she paid over the years to get into Disneyland and she remarks that annual passes that had unlimited access were just over a hundred bucks in the 80s. I remember thinking the premium pass I got in 2001 for 500 or so bucks was expensive back then.
I paid $99 for a SoCal resident 2 park pass the first year DCA opened. I think it increased to $110 the next year.
 
I highly doubt DVC will maintain the same resale value it has over the past 15 years. Supply and demand is always a factor too and as dvc expands supply increases. Due to supply increase I would guess resale will over the next five to ten years willnot remain as robust as the past five to ten years.
I think you could be right. We've been fortunate (us older owners) to have our initial investment increase so much in value. I've also not had any major crisis that required me to dump points to raise funds. Frankly, I don't care if my points are worth $10pp in 10 years. I have the ability to stay in a great room, in a location that I live for the price of my maintenance fees whose increases aren't even in the same universe as Disney room price increases. I wish I'd bought more points when I was initially buying, but you know what they say about hindsight.
 
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If true, and I have no opinion on the "leak", isn't that a good thing for a prospective buyer? Better to know that a price increase is coming than to be totally surprised by one. Especially if you're sitting on the fence.
Yes, I totally agree it would be good to know, and great if Disney simply made a clear, factual announcement.
 
I love for the price of my maintenance fees whose increases aren't even in the same universe as Disney room price increases

They're mostly up 7-8% for 2023. That is NOT the math I was expecting.

The historic math was closer to 3-4%. So yea, big increases. And DVC is mostly dues, so these numbers matter.
 
They're mostly up 7-8% for 2023. That is NOT the math I was expecting.

The historic math was closer to 3-4%. So yea, big increases. And DVC is mostly dues, so these numbers matter.
You're right. I was surprised by that too, I wonder if it still has to do with staff wages being increased. But it's still a great deal over disney rack rates.
 
As long as the 7-8% increase doesn’t become the new normal.

$8.50 dues Compounded at the 5, 10, 25 and 40 year marks:

4% - $10.34, 12.58, 22.66, 40.81
8% - $12.49, 18.35, 58.21, 184.66

Oh my goodness that last one is crazy!!!
$185 dues on a 200 point contract would be $37,000 a YEAR. That is not a typo, lol.
 















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