Price gouging?

[mitros]

Jeez, I can't relate to this problem, we usually have to borrow points, never mind trying to sell some!

 

[Johnnie Fedora]

It's funny that when Disney charges a DVCer an inflated number of points to make a DC or DCL exchange, that's OK. But when an owner trys to get the most of a rental it's evil.

How do we know that Disney isn't doing the same thing? Since members trade points for DC/CC/DCL, and those points get sold (cheaply) by DVC to CRO, CRO might be booking "points" reservations during peak times. Isn't that unfair too?

 

[pwoodham]

How can you take offense that people are using points they have purchased in a way that is perfectly okay via the contract that every DVC member signs? We live in a capitalistic society. It's the system that has allowed all of us to make enough money to afford DVC in the first place. Why all the whining when others do what they have every right to do?

I am not talking about people who bought into DVC expressly to try and sell points for profit. I think I remember reading that that is forbidden by our contract.

I don't know if selling a reservation rather than points is playing dirty or not. I know I think that many legal businesses are immoral, but they are legal. Selling a reservation is "legal." I also can't believe this practice has a huge impact on getting a reservation for people who plan ahead. Sorry, but anyone buying into DVC should quickly get the message that last minute planning is unwise when they hear about the 11 and 7 month windows. No rocket science involved.

The mantra on this board is BUY WHERE YOU WANT TO STAY. If you don't like the availability of accomodations at the 7 month window, buy at another resort. I have not heard of many reservations that are truly unavailable if you plan ahead and call at the first opportunity you have (with the exception of GV's, that is).

As for jacking up the price, this is America. If someone's willing to pay it, then that's what it's worth. Would you tell a potential buyer of your home that it's really worth less than they want to pay you? Get real.

I have rented points in the past in order to pay cash for a cruise. My husband recently lost his job, so I may be renting out more points in an effort to hold onto our DVC at all. I probably won't make a reservation just to rent it out, but you have no right to judge how I or others use points we have purchased.

 

[littlestar]

Doesn't our member book say something about Disney being able to use a lotto system on high demand vacation dates? I guess if Disney saw a real problem with this, they could stop it that way, couldn't they?

I know at my work we used to have a rotation system on Christmas week vacations. No one certain person got that week every year. We rotated.

 

[golfnut1264]

Dont take this the wrong way people but I bought into the DVC for me and my family to enjoy. I could care less about everyone else on this board and there vacations because quite frankly they could care less about me and my situation. I sell vactions i dont rent points to people and if I happen to call before one of you primadonnas who thinks you should get some type of priority than it is your fault not mine. Comparing to 9/11 are you frigging serious. No one will ever tell me how to spend my money or my points that I bought with my money. I sell the vacation before I make the reservation so I never get stuck with ressies. I dont sell vacations for x-mas or thanksgiving because I first sell the week and the winner gives a few different they can go and I try to book 1 of those weeks...

 

[GAIL HAYDEN]

Originally posted by golfnut1264
Dont take this the wrong way people but I bought into the DVC for me and my family to enjoy. I could care less about everyone else on this board and there vacations because quite frankly they could care less about me and my situation. I sell vactions i dont rent points to people and if I happen to call before one of you primadonnas who thinks you should get some type of priority than it is your fault not mine. Comparing to 9/11 are you frigging serious. No one will ever tell me how to spend my money or my points that I bought with my money. I sell the vacation before I make the reservation so I never get stuck with ressies. I dont sell vacations for x-mas or thanksgiving because I first sell the week and the winner gives a few different they can go and I try to book 1 of those weeks...

I think you should stop holding back and tell us how you really feel.

 

[mitros]

 

[fredonna]

I don't believe there is anything in our Disney contracts that specify it is forbidden to sell or rent points. In the Product Understanding form we all sign at purchase, it says that if you choose to rent out your points, you would compete at a competitive disadvantage to Disney. This seems to imply renting points is perfectly legal. Morality plays no part in these decisions nor should it.

I also would believe that Disney also plays this game in the Developer points it owns. It seems to me that DVD Co. would have a financial interest in securing some rooms with its own points for greater rental profit during holidays.

Also, in regards to transferring points for profit, I don't believe Disney prohibits transfers of points for profit between members. We have purchased points from another member (through these boards) and had the points transferred into our account. Member Services explicitly knew of this arrangement and were as friendly as usual in completing the transfer.

 

[tixx]

gouging is when WDW reservations told me the room rate for a 2 bedroom at th Beach Club was $1,100. per night plus tax ...

 

[luckytso]

I went through 9/11, please don't compare these together. It is an insult to the people who went through this.

 

[littlestar]

Look on Page 38 of our Member Guidebook. It states:

"FYI"

"Because of high demand during certain periods, "Special Seasons" Preference Lists may be established at one or at all Disney Vacation Club Resorts. These lists provide Members an equal opportunity to make reservations during these periods of high demand. Currently, there are no "Special Seasons" Preference Lists in place at any of the resorts. If a "Special Seasons" Preference List is established, you will be notified."

I wonder how this would work?

 

[DSNY FN]

Well I am glad to see that there are a few others here who feel the same as I do and for the record it is very seldom that we don't go to Disney as is evident by my list of dates and years I have been and will be going. So in closing myself and the rest of us that rent points out will continue to do so and no it isn't to try to make money and after all if we rent points to someone and they end up buying into DVC then we have helped others to see what we see and become members.

 

[ILPHIL]

As a "newbie" it would probably be best to not comment, but something like this comes across as so manipulative and calculating...I can't help thinking this goes contrary to the values that most of us that love Disney feel we adhere to.

 

[MikeSquared]

Renting points for $10 here, or whatever the market will pay for them on Ebay is not the problem. Making a reservation in January, the 11 month window for Christmas and then placing that week on Ebay is what bothers most owners.

 

[Nick@ VB+OKW]

Originally posted by MikeSquared
Renting points for $10 here, or whatever the market will pay for them on Ebay is not the problem. Making a reservation in January, the 11 month window for Christmas and then placing that week on Ebay is what bothers most owners.

Exactly.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by MikeSquared
Renting points for $10 here, or whatever the market will pay for them on Ebay is not the problem. Making a reservation in January, the 11 month window for Christmas and then placing that week on Ebay is what bothers most owners.

Maybe, but it shouldn't.

 

[jcodespoti]

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Originally posted by MikeSquared
Renting points for $10 here, or whatever the market will pay for them on Ebay is not the problem. Making a reservation in January, the 11 month window for Christmas and then placing that week on Ebay is what bothers most owners.
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Maybe, but it shouldn't.

Yup, I agree

Joe in CT

 

[Richyams]

Maybe, but it shouldn't.

Kind of like your 58 year old neighbor, Jethro, you know, the smelly, hairy, grubby, beer guzzling welfare recipient next door hitting on your 18 year old daughter.

Completely legal and within the rules, so my thinking that this is also slimey is wrong?

Obviously, calling at eleven months to get prime reservations when your only goal is to rent them out on ebay, is completely within the rules....so are Jethro's carnal desires.

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by Richyams
Kind of like your 58 year old neighbor, Jethro, you know, the smelly, hairy, grubby, beer guzzling welfare recipient next door hitting on your 18 year old daughter.

Completely legal and within the rules, so my thinking that this is also slimey is wrong?

Obviously, calling at eleven months to get prime reservations when your only goal is to rent them out on ebay, is completely within the rules....so are Jethro's carnal desires.

Rich, I know you're 58 but didn't know you liked Beer, LOL.

 

[Richyams]

LOL, but you should see my 18 year old neighbor!!!!