Predictions on Frozen Ride

I predict that it's going to be crowded. And that a lot of people are going to complain how they miss Maelstrom.
I went on Maelstrom once. I didn't see the appeal, it started kind of cool, but then it got boring. And, if I recall correctly, then we were held captive outside the theater, before the doors opened, and we could then avoid the tourism movie.
People like to complain that this changes the whole meaning of WS. Epcot was not what Walt imagined. But it's still been there for 35 years.

I agree .. World Showcase was (and mostly still is) just a big tourism promotion. But with things like the internet, and the ease/affordability of travel around the globe that isn't really needed anymore. The "thrill" of seeing (and shopping/eating at) exotic countries just isn't there anymore.

Personally I think Epcot as whole needs to be rethemed .. just like DHS is. DHS (whatever its new name will be) is going from a "movie making theme" to a "immersion into the movies" theme.

Future World and World Showcase (despite all the band-aids like Mission Space, Test Track and Frozen) .. is just dated.

I would be more than happy if they just made the World Showcase "Disney around the World" and actually added some attractions to it ... Ratatouille in France .. Mulan in China .. Big Hero 6 in Japan .. All Disney hits that were inspired by those country's culture and history (just like Frozen and Norway).

It would make that part of the park much more exciting for the giant space it takes up.
 
I agree .. World Showcase was (and mostly still is) just a big tourism promotion. But with things like the internet, and the ease/affordability of travel around the globe that isn't really needed anymore. The "thrill" of seeing (and shopping/eating at) exotic countries just isn't there anymore.

Personally I think Epcot as whole needs to be rethemed .. just like DHS is. DHS (whatever its new name will be) is going from a "movie making theme" to a "immersion into the movies" theme.

Future World and World Showcase (despite all the band-aids like Mission Space, Test Track and Frozen) .. is just dated.

I would be more than happy if they just made the World Showcase "Disney around the World" and actually added some attractions to it ... Ratatouille in France .. Mulan in China .. Big Hero 6 in Japan .. All Disney hits that were inspired by those country's culture and history (just like Frozen and Norway).

It would make that part of the park much more exciting for the giant space it takes up.

I don't agree that it should be rethemed per se, in that Future World should remain Future World, but I agree it needs to go back to reflecting the promise of the future. The pavilions need overhauls and they need to populate long empty space (Life pavilion, I'm looking at you).

I do like your idea for World Showcase. Every pavilion should have an attraction of some type, even if it is just a movie/show, and I have no problem letting the Disney characters be involved in that. Don't lose the cultural stuff, but adding characters in the manner of the Three Caballeros, ones that work with the country's culture, sounds great to me.
 
EPCOT was never truly what Walt envisioned in the first place. So any changes moving forward aren't necessarily 'killing Walt's dream'.

"EPCOT will be an experimental prototype community of tomorrow that will take its cue from the new ideas and new
technologies that are now emerging from the creative centers of American industry. It will be a community of tomorrow that
will never be completed, but will always be introducing and testing and demonstrating new materials and systems. And EPCOT
will always be a showcase to the world for the ingenuity and imagination of American free enterprise." - Walt Disney
 
This is getting off the main topic, but just to follow up:
I don't agree that it should be rethemed per se, in that Future World should remain Future World, but I agree it needs to go back to reflecting the promise of the future. The pavilions need overhauls and they need to populate long empty space (Life pavilion, I'm looking at you).
I think part of the problem is that the pavilions have been updated/changed in a very ad-hoc fashion. Pavilions operate until Disney decides there's a problem, at which point they either left to slowly rot (I would put Energy and part of the Land pavilion in this category) until they get shut down (Horizons), go through a minor refresh/update (the Spaceship Earth/Seas/Imagination) or get something major (Soarin', Test Track, Mission Space). But, there doesn't seem to be much real planning or foresight, so you get this mix of really cool rides, very tired and dated things, and stuff that is decent but hasn't kept up with the times. The sense of it being any sort of a "future world" is mostly lost.

For a park focused on the future (though not Walt's original vision), they really need to have a plan for keeping things up-to-date and refreshed. Depending on how you count, there are 7 or 8 pavilions, plus Innoventions, in Future World. If you consider how fast things move, I'd think you'd consider a pavilion to have a basic "lifespan" of maybe 15 years max before it needs some sort of updating. That would basically mean having each pavilion undergo a "big" renovation/re-imagining/updating/whatever every 2 years, which is maybe about the amount of time it might actually take to make major changes/updates. So, Disney should probably be planning on a continuous process of updating one pavilion at all times, more as part of the operating budget, rather than the capital budget. I don't think they're doing that, at all, but man, if they did, Epcot could be a really great park. Much more up-to-date, something new at least every 2 years, etc. Of course, it might also mean sometimes getting rid of old favorites that some people are attached to (and are cheaper to just keep operating).

They could pretty easily combine this with doing a thorough update to each World Showcase pavilion every 2 years (though this is probably less necessary). And, if they timed construction right, they'd probably only need to have 1 pavilion in WS or FW closed at any one "peak" time. It would give the impression of a continually improving park, though, rather than one that can easily start to feel outdated.

I do like your idea for World Showcase. Every pavilion should have an attraction of some type, even if it is just a movie/show, and I have no problem letting the Disney characters be involved in that. Don't lose the cultural stuff, but adding characters in the manner of the Three Caballeros, ones that work with the country's culture, sounds great to me.
I think the problem might be that there's not sufficient room to really add a significant ride/attraction to each pavilion, unless you count movies. Right now, there are just 3 "attractions" (if you count the one in USA), and another 3 movies. I'm not sure there's room in the other 5 pavilions to actually add a significant ride/attraction but it would make this area draw even more people. As I remember it, there was actually a proposal being considered at one time to split Epcot into two parks (and as part of that, they were going to add additional attractions to WS).
 

I don't understand why so many want to turn Epcot into another MK. The idea of smaller attractions in WS isn't bad but the primary focus of the area is for the most part still the countries. The Frozen bit misses the mark on that one and I'm afraid that Disney would just turn everything there into imaginary countries full of characters. I like the dining and shopping and based on the crowds a lot of other people do too.

As far as Future World goes, that area does need a lot of help. Should it even have a theme? It just seems kind of haphazardly thrown together nowadays.
 
I agree .. World Showcase was (and mostly still is) just a big tourism promotion. But with things like the internet, and the ease/affordability of travel around the globe that isn't really needed anymore. The "thrill" of seeing (and shopping/eating at) exotic countries just isn't there anymore.

Personally I think Epcot as whole needs to be rethemed .. just like DHS is. DHS (whatever its new name will be) is going from a "movie making theme" to a "immersion into the movies" theme.

Future World and World Showcase (despite all the band-aids like Mission Space, Test Track and Frozen) .. is just dated.

I would be more than happy if they just made the World Showcase "Disney around the World" and actually added some attractions to it ... Ratatouille in France .. Mulan in China .. Big Hero 6 in Japan .. All Disney hits that were inspired by those country's culture and history (just like Frozen and Norway).

It would make that part of the park much more exciting for the giant space it takes up.


I like this concept a lot!
 
My prediction is that it will need more Sven.

"But people smell better than Reindeer
Sven, don't you think I'm right?

That's once again true, for all except you

You got me, let's call it a night"

"And who's the funky looking donkey over there?

That's Sven.

And who's the reindeer?

....Sven

Oh, ok, makes things easier for me"

You can never have too much Sven!

Remember when Sven's tongue was stuck to the railing of the ice castle steps? Ha ha, classic Sven!
 
Problem with the Frozen ride is that it didn't come in time to really capitalize on the popularity of Frozen when it was red hot AND it's sort of a slapped-together makeover of Maelstrom. It should have been started and completed a while back, or they should have dedicated themselves to making an original attraction that would be a more unique experience.
 
Problem with the Frozen ride is that it didn't come in time to really capitalize on the popularity of Frozen when it was red hot AND it's sort of a slapped-together makeover of Maelstrom. It should have been started and completed a while back, or they should have dedicated themselves to making an original attraction that would be a more unique experience.
Well it took the Little Mermaid 20+ years to get an attraction, yet it is still popular with the kiddos.
 
Quite frankly, like most Disney characters, the little Mermaid is popular with the little kids and the big adult type kids. I am sure the opening of Frozen will bring attention back to the story and characters.

AKK
 
I'm not holding out much hope that it'll be great. If I can snag a FP for it, I'll rid it on my next trip but I won't be giving up my Soarin' FP to do it.
 
I'm not sure I'll ever get to ride this one. I will always want to ride Soarin' and TT (and use my FP on that). And I won't wait 60+ minutes to ride it. So I fear I won't be riding this one for a LOOOOONNNNGGG time.
 












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