Pre-children thinking vs. Post-children thinking/actions....are they different?

although one thing that worked on my ds was when he threw a fit in the store and I was trying to shop for food, I had had enough I walked away and didn't look back. He realized that I was gone and came running and did it again, I walked away..it took about 3 times till he realized his fit wasn't working...but I will tell you that was the ONLY thing that worked ...
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Dd13 pulled this once in shoprite - I had her baby brother and sister in the cart, and we just walked away from her. I've never seen a child scramble so fast! There were also times that we used Target as an activity - I was so excited when my twins were able to sit in the seats at the back of the cart (around 8 months), I'd put my 2 year old in the main cart, and my 5 and 7 year olds would walk beside us. I can't say we were always quiet, but sometimes I needed to get us out of the house, and there aren't that many options with a bunch of little kids and one parent! Costco was always good for this, too, plus free samples! :cool1:
 
I was so excited when my twins were able to sit in the seats at the back of the cart (around 8 months), I'd put my 2 year old in the main cart, and my 5 and 7 year olds would walk beside us.


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mjkacmom, I am not worthy to carry your diaper bag(s). You are an amazing woman and I, what with the one kid and all, am in awe.

FWIW, my kid was an a m a z i n g baby/little kid and a HORRIBLE teenager. She's 22 now and thank god, pretty good again.:lovestruc My dad always said you should bury them when they're 5 and dig them up again when they're 25.
 
Well, my first dd slept through the night at 6 weeks, rarely cried, and when she started solids, LOVED everything. She also enjoyed her table food - tofu, avacado, lima beans - at whatever I gave her. This was because I was a great mom.

Then ds was born.


This is where my awakening really came.

My first child was so well behaved. She never napped, but was always pleasant and quiet. I could take her to church or to a 2 hour lecture-- bringing no toys or food to occupy her-- and she would just sit there and listen. I could take the child anywhere-- 13hr car ride, no problem she'd just look out the window the whole time.

Then I had two more children who screamed non-stop from birth and were nearly impossible to leave the house with. They would run away in a store, so they had to be confined to a cart or a backpack carrier. DS would bash his face into the handle of the cart to make himself bleed to try to force me to pick him up. 5min car ride to the grocery store-- they're both puking all over the back seat. Ah the joys of parenthood. :rolleyes:

Obviously, my first child was not so well behaved due to my perfect parenting skills. :rotfl: That is one thing that bothers me about some parents of one child who think because something worked for their child that's what will work for every child. I have found that my techniques have to be completely different for each of my children to be effective.
 
That is one thing that bothers me about some parents of one child who think because something worked for their child that's what will work for every child.


Don't worry about them (us). Many who are successful with their perfect only child pay HELL when the light of their life hits 16. It's a horrible shock.
 

There are a few things that I thought pre-kid that actually held true now that I am a parent.

1. I would not give up ME. My life does not revolve around DS3. I still have hobbies, go out with friends occassionally, sit a read a book at times, etc. It is much less than before kid, but ME is still there. My life and identity is not completely wrapped up in DS3. My DH struggled with that idea for a long time, but he is finally realizing that he needs to do things for himself too (ie he just joined a volleyball league).
2. Keeping my house clean. Yes, I am a bit more relaxed, but my house is still clean and orderly, even with working FT and having DS. My son helps clean up and put his stuff away, I am not his maid. I do not see having kids as an excuse to let your house turn into a pigpen....if I can do it anyone can!
3. Daycare is not evil. I was laid off for a few months and had the option of keeping him home with me. I sent him to school instead. He LOVES school and didn't want to be home with me all day. I did send him less hours and pulled him for different events...it was the best of both worlds honestly. We scrimped in other areas so he could go. Now that I am back at work, I no longer feel guilty about him being in daycare.

There are many things that don't hold true concerning discipline and behaviour. But most of that is because I only had my two nieces to model after and didn't realize how different each kid (and especially boys) can be :thumbsup2
 
Oh yeah, I knew just how to raise my imaginary kid! Ha. :rotfl:
Being a parent for real is a lot different and people without kids are not really qualified to dispense advice.
 
Heck, forget "pre-parent", "post-parent" things change week to week :lmao:

I remember being little and thinking when I had kids I would let them do whatever they wanted and buy them whatever they want--good thing I grew up and I now know better :lmao:
 
I thought I would never run after my kid to feed him. When he was hungry he would come to me. Guess what he would lie on the floor screaming but would never sit in high chair and eat.

I would also think other moms obsessed about the kids eating too much.
 
Not much has changed. But I'd been thinking about having children since I was a pre-teen, had a great mom, and I was older when I married and had DS. Lots of time to think aobut it and see the realities of my friends and their kids, and lots of alone time to think about what ELSE my friends could have been doing....


The one thing has changed involves TV. I was raised with an old TV and antenna only, and I'm as old as Sesame Street is. That's all we were allowed to watch. That was mainly b/c of what else was on TV at the time...lots and lots of news coverage of the Vietnam War...my mom just flat out didn't trust the other channels. Electric Company, when it came on, was also allowed.

And when I had DS I figured it would be the same. Except...Sesame Street is AWFUL now. Loud, stupid storylines, and they made the Snuffleuphagus real. Whatever. I found that the cable shows were far far better. And there are so many good movies...

But I never was vocal about that.

The thing I WAS vocal about pre-kid was DVDs. Specifically...I worked at amazon from '99 to '02, and during that first year I was there, there was a nasty issue that happened at a DVD-making facility. Seems some employee went off the deep end, and put an extremely inappropriate movie onto discs that were supposed to be a Disney movie. And I got SO many calls from parents and grandparents who got the movie, put it in the DVD player, and then left the room, only to come back to traumatized or very confused kids a bit later. I vented to everyone (co-workers...not the customers...the customers had a valid complaint, though not amazon's fault)! How could those parents/grands just put in a movie and NOT watch it with their kids, blah blah blah.

Just realized the other day that THAT has changed. We watch a movie the first time he sees it with DS, and further times if he wants it, but other than that, we don't sit and stare at the screen with him. :) So if we watched a movie from the library, then bought it, we wouldln't be watching it through with him, and a surprise like that could happen (though it's a small condo, we'd probably HEAR the difference if the movie on the disc were wrong).


One study I saw concluded that children under 2 had like 6 fewer words when they were exposed to TV. I'll totally take that over a screaming child! lol
Most just concluded that there was potential for an effect but more research was needed.

Ooh, interesting.

Considering that my son actively learns from TV, and he started talking much much more after watching Blues Clues a few times (we were just thinking about wondering about considering if we should perhaps worry in the next year or so, LOL), he's either an exception or those studies are a bit "off". :)



If you have a tantrum in the store, we leave and you don't get to come back.

If you're crying, you better have a reason for it.

If you slam your door, no more door.

DH's brother lied about grades. His shoulder length hair got shaved down.

My dad's (and DH's too) favorite punishment for not cleaning my room was that all my toys and books on the ground went into a plastic bag. I didn't see them again.

Just so you're not totally shocked when the reality of the above thoughts shows up....a couple thoughts for you.

Kids throw tantrums *in order to leave stores*. Not all, and not always, but often enough. So by leaving the store, you are *often* punishing NO ONE BUT YOURSELF. And you've created another trip for yourself. With my guy, tantrums are from too little food, too little sleep, and/or inappropriate foods. Fix those things, no tantrums (most of the time).

Kids have very weird reasons for crying. Try to have empathy for what THEIR reasons are. Kids are very very different from grownups. They have thoughts that make no sense to adults.

No more door also means no more privacy for adults, who are used to putting kids to sleep and being able to watch their own movies, have private conversations, etc etc. In our house, door-slamming creates yet another exciting time for me to retell what happened to my finger when a door slammed on it (brother and I were fighting and the door was involved), and honestly, I'm the only person who thinks that story is fascinating. :)

Hair cutting and grades have nothing to do with each other; kids more often learn better from natural consequences. Unless of course he'd been told that his hair would be cut as a response to bad grades. (what an odd conversation that would have been)

Your dad punished his own checkbook for that one! We've put toys into timeout (putting DS into timeout Does Not Work) and that's pretty effective, and doesn't mean we've thrown away our money.




You might end up with a kidlet who responds perfectly to the way you and your husband were raised. We did NOT end up with a kid that we could parent either way we were raised. It's worth knowing that that can happen, b/c we (especially me) were shocked!

My husband's family was all about screaming and hitting...that causes absolute freakouts in DS, the yelling part, and I can't even imagine what might happened if we believed in hitting. Actually, I can imagine...DS was in a biting phase as an older baby, and once I was so frustrated and freaked and *in pain* that I bit him back...I looked at his eyes as I did it...and could pretty much see the LEARNING that took place..."aha, so biting IS acceptable around here, eh?" It was a BAD moment, and it took far longer to break him of the biting b/c I had done it to him.

My family...mom was basically single from when I was around 2, and it turns out that my brother and I were very responsible kids with lots of comprehension. We also believed firmly in my mom's "do it or else" look, and she NEVER had to "or else" with us. My son, however, thinks my "do it or else" look is *hilarious*, while my silly faces can cause near hysterics! It's very odd. And we can talk things over but 2 minutes later he's forgotten everything, etc etc.

So you might end up with a kid who complies with your parents' ways of doing things...but you might find yourself making it all up on your own! Have fun with the process!
 
:rotfl2: My second child was a dream baby. Never cried, hit all her milestones on time, cooed and smiled and generally charmed the socks off everybody. Had she been my first I would been in SHOCK when my DS23 came along--he was a high maintenance kid from the womb! nothing I ever did was right. Raising John has been like riding a bucking bronco. After him, I thought I could do anything!

and then Christian came along who never did anything on time, didn't smile, didn't want to be held, coudn't eat, screamed if you walked across the room screamed in the car, screamed if the wind blew his hair. He was a most unpleasant baby until he was about 3, when he finally learned to sit up. If John had not prepared the way I would have thought I was really a terrible mother.

3 kids, 3 different methods of parenting.:thumbsup2


My 3rd isn't born yet, but your 1st two sound like mine. My son was the perfect baby. He literally just slept and ate as a newborn. Slept through the night at 6 weeks old, from 6pm-6am! He even wanted to sleep in his own bed, wanting nothing to do with swaddling, etc. He ate so well, did great with baby foods, then 'real' foods, etc. The kid even had surgery at 7 months old and taught himself to crawl while recovering. He was just always happy and easy.

My daughter though, OMG, total opposite. The first night home from the hospital she screamed literally nonstop. And she continued with that for 4 months. And then when she got better during the day, she decided to stop sleeping even the 3-4 hour stretches she'd do at night and just cry all night. I spent many nights sleeping in a chair, rocking her stroller with my foot, and hearing her scream everytime I stopped. She did not sleep through the night till she was 2 years, 5 months old. Oh, and she hated everyone but me, so there was no relief. She'd even cry every time my husband would hold her from about 7-10 months.

Had my son been first, I am sure I would have been a basket case with my daughter as I would have had no idea that it was just her personality. But really, after her, I figure whatever this 3rd one throws at me I can handle! :thumbsup2


Oh, and FWIW, now, they have basically switched roles on me. :lmao: My son is, hmm, a handful to say the least. He is always breaking something (usually unintentionally), hurting himself or someone else (also unintentionally), running around like a maniac, etc. While my daughter is generally pretty easily managed.
 
Before I had kids I would judge from up on high the parenting skills of others knowing that my perfect children would NEVER do that!

Then I had children.

Now I'm to tired to climb up on my high horse.
 
Definitely! My children were never going to have dirty faces or runny noses, their hair was always going to be perfectly combed, always in the cutest outfits, voracious readers, etc.

I have great boys, but sometimes I let them keep playing when their faces are dirty, hair is messy, and their outfits don't match. Reading has been a bit of a struggle, too. They're both very intelligent, but just aren't too thrilled with reading (though my youngest is better than my oldest).
 
Being the oldest of six, and having several nieces and nephews, I knew that the key word of parenting is flexiblity! All kids are different and have different needs.

The only thing that I swore I would never do is cosleep! No way was I going to end up with a five year old in bed with me like almost all of the familes I know! I was pretty high and mighty about that! Well......yeah, the baby sleeps with us. He was such a tiny baby and was very high needs right from the begining that before I knew it, he was sleeping with me...but only for the first six months and then he was going into the crib, he could cry it out for a few nights....okay, nine months....okay, well now I am trying to talk DH into a king size bed because I don't think I will get him out of my bed untill he is a teenager, LOL!

My DH is the one I worry about, he swears up and down that his kid will listen to him the first time, every time. I just roll my eyes every time he says this. Especially since that at only 15 months my DS has proven himself to be even more stubborn than both me and DH put together!
 
The only thing that I swore I would never do is cosleep! No way was I going to end up with a five year old in bed with me like almost all of the familes I know! I was pretty high and mighty about that! Well......yeah, the baby sleeps with us. He was such a tiny baby and was very high needs right from the begining that before I knew it, he was sleeping with me...but only for the first six months and then he was going into the crib, he could cry it out for a few nights....okay, nine months....okay, well now I am trying to talk DH into a king size bed because I don't think I will get him out of my bed untill he is a teenager, LOL!

Oh, hey, thanks for the memories.:thumbsup2 I forgot I did this, too. She finally got out of my bed when she wanted to have friends spend the night. I guess she thought that might be awkward. "Night night, girls! There's more pizza in the fridge. I'm going to go sleep with my mommy now." She was EIGHT. YEARS. OLD. <sigh>
 
I didn't really have parenting ideas before I had DS because I just avoided kids as much as possible.:rotfl:

I probably am MORE judgmental now. I'm sure I'll get a lot of flack for this.I know what can be expected of a child, even ones with special needs, and I KNOW that you don't have to spend an hour in Target browsing while your kid screams their head off. I have sympathy for the parent who has to run into the store for milk or medicine etc. I have no sympathy, and great disgust for, the parent who lets their kid run around a restaurant so they can have a night out.
You'll get no flack from me - I agree with you completely. I was foolish enough to believe the "They're just kids, they can't help it" argument to some extent before I was a parent (and before all my classes on child development). I'm much less tolerant of badly behaved kids (and of bad parenting) now that I know what most kids are capable of. Letting your kid scream his head off for an hour while you shop is just lazy parenting, and it's selfish as well. I don't care if it's an inconvenience for you to come back later, you still shouldn't be subjecting your fellow shoppers to all the screaming.
Do you guys want to form a play group? :lmao:

I never lasted more than a day with any playgroup because, I like you became less tolerant and more judgmental of poorly behaved children and their parents. I have decided that if a parent is faced with a choice of ways to react or what to do generally the most inconvenient choice is usually the best choice. ;)
 
Definitely! My children were never going to have dirty faces or runny noses, their hair was always going to be perfectly combed, always in the cutest outfits, voracious readers, etc.

I have great boys, but sometimes I let them keep playing when their faces are dirty, hair is messy, and their outfits don't match. Reading has been a bit of a struggle, too. They're both very intelligent, but just aren't too thrilled with reading (though my youngest is better than my oldest).

I always laugh when people freak out over the infamous dropped binkie or they catch their kid eating some stray piece of food that the kid found on the floor at a party or in the back seat of the mom mobile......a kids gonna eat some dirt, it's not worth the stress.
 
Are they different? Most definitely!

I believed that most problems could be cured with a good spanking (not beating)..... I have since learned you have to do what works for your child. I am not anti-spanking, but it is not the currency that really punishes our son. Loss of media time (computer, tv, wii....) or fines (paid out of his weekly allowance) are the things that give him pause.

I never imagined you could not medicate a child. Holy cow was I wrong on that one! My son does not take liquid or melt-away type meds. Oh, I can get them down him, but I end up cleaning vomit off both of us. :( I have put the poor kid in the tub, wrapped a towel around him and forced medicine down him, only to have him puke it right back up. I blame his father, DH has a strong gag reflex too. Thank goodness he can finally swallow pills. Up to now we have relied on suppositories and shots!

Breast feeding - I didn't really want to, but I was willing to give it a go, since it was what was best for my son. I was only going to nurse him until he got teeth - can you imagine being bitten?!?!?! Well, he was weaned at 15 months with a mouth full of teeth and I had become something of a BF advocate. lol

Co-sleeping - you have got to be kidding me! Get that kid in his/her own bed! *Snort* That was great until I had emergency surgery when he was 2 1/2 months old. Some how he ended up in our bed for the next 18 months or so. lol

I'm sure more of my notions will be changed or at least challenged. I only hope that I am willing to let go and do what works best for my family and my child.

ETA: I forgot about Disney! I wasn't going to take him to disney until he was seven. He is five and has been twice and would have been more if it was in the budget! lol
 
It always cracks me up when some non-parent people always seem to have the right punishment, the right attitude, the know how on how to handle every situation with every child. So I have to wonder.....after you had kids did that attitude/view change? Do you do things differently now that you had kids ~ like use the drive thru more/less, make 2 meals because the kids will/won't eat specific things, not go to specific placesfunctions because its just not kid friendly, shop at specific places or times, etc.

I'm sure that I had some blinders on myself pre-children. I know my patience with "those children" in restaurants or grocery stores was shorter than it is now but I think I had a pretty realistic view too as I was always around younger children. As a parent I have made many mistakes and I know that not every situation is not the same (even when it seems to be) so you cannot react the same way each time.

So share your funny stories, your opinions on yourself pre/post kids or a friend/family member who you just have to take with a grain of salt every now and again.

Yes! My BF had children before me. She used to ask me what I thought about this and that all the time. I had some opinions and shared them. After I had children, I called her up on one particularly stressful day and told her, "You know all that stuff I said before I had kids? Forget it. I didn't know what I was talking about.". :laughing: We had a good laugh over that.

For me, there was a definite difference pre and post kids. Some of the things I thought would work didn't and some of the things I thought wouldn't work did. :upsidedow And the funny thing is that parenting is a fluid thing. There is some flexibility that's involved. There isn't a set rule of instructions. Some things are subject to change. :)
 
O I have defeniately had some changes! I thought I would be an awful mother and hate parenting. Well...now I am a good/awful (depends on the situation and who you ask dd or me, lol) mother and love being a parent.

I stayed far away from kids pre dd. I was sure that dd would come home from the hospital and move right into her own room. Well... there are some days when I am still waiting for that to happen.

I was sure there was no way I would breast feed. I mean pre dd I thought that was gross. Then in the hospital I got hooked on it.

My dsis takes the cake though. She is 10 years older than me and apdopted her dd about two afters I had mine. So for the first two years all I heard were how what I was doin was wrong. On dds 1st birthday my dsis told me that a child should only recieve one present. Fast forward to her dds second birthday when they had a huge bash, presents galore, and installed a $10K rock wall in thier basement for her. :rotfl:
 





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