Potential UPSIDES to DVC/RCI Relationship to the average DVC owner

Maybe RCI will enforce the exchange rules prohibiting members from renting out DVC exchanges which I saw so frequently occurring in II. People would sell the exchanges on eBay and II would infrequently enforce the rules and cancel the exchanges. That could be one benefit, depending upon how strictly RCI enforced the exchange rules.
 
RCI has been know to cancel your membership for renting out.

RCI good points - there are definitely some.

they are closer to the National parks, have many more beach weeks all over the place - florida, east cost, west cost, panhandle - from florida to texas.

many more in states that II had either none or very few like Georgia.

RCI just has more.

but really think DVC needs to allow us individual memberships and the ability to exchange where we want - RCI, II or independent. Yes it will cost more - but if you trade out it is worth it.

if RCI allows DVC members to use their final call on a cash basis - that would be wonderful for members who are not already RCI members.

with that remember the bad side of RCI
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now II did not also rent to the public - but if the resort asked them not too - it would go along with what the resort wanted. Which is why no DVC, Marriott were listed here.

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I don't know that I buy the persuasive view on here that II is "better"

I stayed in a II in Costa Rica.

-No hot water.

-Surly staff

-HORRID HORRID food. (It was suppose to be all inclusive. Toast was BLACK, meat made my elementary school cafeteria look like gourmet dining LOL!)

-Bad cleaning. Drink glasses would stay at the pool for over a day.

Now granted you couldn't trade into this DUMP with DVC, but it was not exactly a shining example. When the salesman tried to grab me to sell me this I just started laughing at him..... :rotfl2:

So just because it said II meant absolutly nothing as far as I could tell.....
 
Carol - RCI has more of them - that is why it is so important to do your research

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join it - first year is $15 - but then you can go with the 3 years at $25 for renewals.
 

let's hope that it's based on filtering out bad quality. :goodvibes
When DVC was with RCI before they used a similar method to chose resorts as they have with II. Exclude Orlando, try to get the best resorts possible in the most places possible and re-eval over time.

How about potential unit size upgrades? From my exchanging experiences, RCI is less picky than II about unit sizes. I've often traded my 1BR deposit into 2 and 3 BR units. If DVC owners were allowed to deposit the equivalent of a "1BR" yet pull larger sizes in the trade -- that would be a great feature!
RCI may be less picky but DVC is more picky than II. The option not to be able to trade up in II (other than when they had excess to give you a larger unit) was more of a DVC issue than an II one. My guess is we will see the same restrictions in exchanging because DVC wants those restrictions. Actually RCI isn't much better at allowing you to trade up in size they're just more likely to be willing for you to search knowing you likely won't get it. The difference is they won't force you to take the smaller unit or nothing as II does for resorts that have smaller units.

Maybe RCI will enforce the exchange rules prohibiting members from renting out DVC exchanges which I saw so frequently occurring in II. People would sell the exchanges on eBay and II would infrequently enforce the rules and cancel the exchanges. That could be one benefit, depending upon how strictly RCI enforced the exchange rules.
I'd say RCI and II are about equal at enforcing this issue and both are fairly aggressive at it. IF anything, II is more aggressive than RCI from what I've seen.
 
I don't know that I buy the persuasive view on here that II is "better"

I stayed in a II in Costa Rica.

-No hot water.

-Surly staff

-HORRID HORRID food. (It was suppose to be all inclusive. Toast was BLACK, meat made my elementary school cafeteria look like gourmet dining LOL!)

-Bad cleaning. Drink glasses would stay at the pool for over a day.

Now granted you couldn't trade into this DUMP with DVC, but it was not exactly a shining example. When the salesman tried to grab me to sell me this I just started laughing at him..... :rotfl2:

So just because it said II meant absolutly nothing as far as I could tell.....
Both have great, average and crummy resorts. They try to keep them from mixing too much similar to DVC only listing a subportion of the resorts in II. Looking at the very top tier of resorts II is likely better mostly due to Marriott's, Royals and Westins. RCI probably has about the same number of top resorts (of more resorts overall) but their locations aren't as favorable for what most DVC members seem to want such as the Caribbean and HI. That's why when we've talked about buying other timeshares to exchange or use I tend to suggest one look at where they like to go and see what resorts are in the area. For Cabo, RCI is better, for PV, it's likely about the same. For Cancun, II wins hands down but RCI still has some very nice places. Aruba is actually pretty equal but II has the 2 Marriott's and there is no comparison for Maui. IF there is a resort that is dually affiliated, the question then becomes which company gets the bulk of the deposits IF ANY. For some HI resorts third party exchange company may get the most of their deposits.
 
Dean or Doc or Brian - what do you think the chances are that DVC will include some of the resorts that are not at the top. but they are near the national parks?
 
I think we'll all know the answer to that soon since RCI exchanges begin on January 1.

Stay Tuned!
 
Dean or Doc or Brian - what do you think the chances are that DVC will include some of the resorts that are not at the top. but they are near the national parks?
I don't have any idea--but DVC has shown a willingness to include slightly lesser resorts in areas that didn't have anything better, but still had some appeal.
 
Wow! Nicely done! That must have taken quite a bit of time to research, type and format. Thank you! :flower3:

Thanks for acknowledging my effort. :)

I was beginning to think I wasted my time compiling this list. I'm glad you found it useful.
 
Both have great, average and crummy resorts. They try to keep them from mixing too much similar to DVC only listing a subportion of the resorts in II. Looking at the very top tier of resorts II is likely better mostly due to Marriott's, Royals and Westins. RCI probably has about the same number of top resorts (of more resorts overall) but their locations aren't as favorable for what most DVC members seem to want such as the Caribbean and HI. That's why when we've talked about buying other timeshares to exchange or use I tend to suggest one look at where they like to go and see what resorts are in the area. For Cabo, RCI is better, for PV, it's likely about the same. For Cancun, II wins hands down but RCI still has some very nice places. Aruba is actually pretty equal but II has the 2 Marriott's and there is no comparison for Maui. IF there is a resort that is dually affiliated, the question then becomes which company gets the bulk of the deposits IF ANY. For some HI resorts third party exchange company may get the most of their deposits.


I think the fact that both have good and bad is my point. The "sky is falling" group is acting like II is 100% better. Nope, we just get the "cream of the crop" Which I expect will happen with RCI too.

That 'self editing' however, is one reason I find DVC trading frustrating. You or I might be willing to go "down" for a location or other reasons but Disney "protects" us LOL!
 
Dean or Doc or Brian - what do you think the chances are that DVC will include some of the resorts that are not at the top. but they are near the national parks?
As Brian said, DVC has always tried to offer as broad a coverage as possible. That means they are likely to offer good but not great resorts in areas where there are no great resorts. There is a limit to how far down they will go though.

I think the fact that both have good and bad is my point. The "sky is falling" group is acting like II is 100% better. Nope, we just get the "cream of the crop" Which I expect will happen with RCI too.

That 'self editing' however, is one reason I find DVC trading frustrating. You or I might be willing to go "down" for a location or other reasons but Disney "protects" us LOL!
Overall I'd agree with you but DVC members as a group are a fickle lot, myself included if trading DVC. Most aren't going to be happy with those resorts that might be an 8 out of 10 rating, they want the 9.5-10 resorts. While I might be very happy with a good resort that cost me $300 total, I would not be happy with the same resort trading $3500 worth of DVC points for. That's why I own resorts to use and resorts to trade.
 
I went to rci website and saw a nice play to stay in Holland, Michigan, that I would love to stay .....

I"m looking for more places to drive to (airfare still high).

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What will happen with my Oct. 2009 exchange to Harborside Atlansis. Can I still go (I hope) if we switch to RCI in 2009..... I have reservation.
 
But all is not lost..... Here's a potential list of RCI resorts....
That's exciting! I was really concerned when I started reading the comments. Trust me, I know NOTHING (not sure if I can emphasize that word any more!!! :laughing: ) about II or RCI, so I was scared! :scared: However, the resorts you have listed seem very nice, and in desirable locations.

Like you, I've never tried to trade, but I do want to on occasion. II changed the rules (or Dis did) on trades a few years back. My SIL used to be able to call Dis, put in a search, and if found, they would hold it for 24 hours or so. That would give her time to check on flights for those dates. She said that once they did the automatic confirmation, it made exchanges a lot more difficult (at least for her). I hope that changes back with this RCI deal. I also hope that there is more availability. She said that in the last 2 - 3 years, it's been more difficult to get the trades she has wanted (summer travel - mostly outside of the US).

It is what it is :confused3, so I sure hope Dis negotiated something wonderful for us! Their greatest desire is to profit and grow, so I'm sure they view it as a win-win (even if the win is more for them than us). If enough people are unhappy with the RCI relationship and exchanges aren't available or are sub-standard, the word will get out and some potential buyers will reconsider purchasing. We bought thinking we would trade out, but we haven't yet. We're really happy just spending time at WDW right now, but like knowing the exchange options are available.

I appreciate everyone posting their comments (for and against). I'm learning a lot in the process from everyone, as usual! Is this good/bad? As others have said...time will tell. :surfweb:
 
There is no upside to RCI.

I won't argue about the quality of resorts, I don't think the difference is as great as they make it out to be.

The problems is that there is NO AVAILABILITY at RCI. If you think the availability is bad at II, wait until you get to try RCI. They obviously rent out all the desirable units and only keep the average ones for exchange. They only chance to get a decent unit is to exchange right about the time a bulk spacebank is booked.

2 years ago, I was trying to trade into Lawrence Welk in Escondido, CA. I had an ongoing search going for over a year. It never got filled, but they have plenty for rent for about $1000 on extra vacations. Their BS excuse is that they purchased those weeks to sell. But from whom? The resort has been sold out for years. In reality they have a clause in their rules that states they may rent units that are deposited that they think there is no interest in, but I would like to see who makes those decisions.

I have always gotten the units I have a search for on II. They are heads and shoulders above RCI. A sad day indeed for me, as I will probably never be able to trade into DVC again (but neither will anyone else). Glad I got one last exchange for this coming May.

Joe
 
Thanks for the list. Looking that list over, I'd say the ones in Hawaii are marginal at best. The Pahio Sherewater is okay, but has very few facilities. It's mostly got GREAT views though! The other Kauai one is dicey, and so is the Maui one. I know nothing about the two Oahu exchanges.
 
Am I missing something....

I thought Disney was adding on RCI as an exchange option. Will we no longer be able to use II???
 
The problems is that there is NO AVAILABILITY at RCI. If you think the availability is bad at II, wait until you get to try RCI. They obviously rent out all the desirable units and only keep the average ones for exchange. They only chance to get a decent unit is to exchange right about the time a bulk spacebank is booked.
I've been using RCI since 2000 with three other timeshares. FWIW, I've always done well with my trades -- but I deposit early (2 years out) and often book my exchanges 18-21 months from travel. Two of my RCI properties are strong traders and one is rather middling. I generally search online myself (enjoying the hunt!) but have also done well with ongoing searches the few times I've used them.

So ... here's hoping DVC allows us to place requests 24 months out using the full RCI request window. Having access to searching online to discover our own destinations would also be a nice surprise.
 



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