Post Nominal Letters

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

OK, but can you give an example or did I have it right?

You pretty much had it right. As I said, people seem to like it

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

But I'm not wedded to it. I'd like one of these, when and if I qualify, but that's that. I promise to take your criticisms to heart and not do anything rash without doing some more serious research.

 

[cabanafrau]

<<< Me trying to follow the explanations.

If this isn't your idea and you just volunteered, what was your idea that you mentioned at the beginning of this thread and how is that different from what you're saying the concept is now?

Serious research of what?
Are the cards you refer to for insiders who would understand what the letters mean? Would that only be maybe 12 people?
If the cards are like business cards for prospective clients or businesses, how are they to understand the significance of these letters?

In all honesty I don't see benefits or gain, but that's just me.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

<<< Me trying to follow the explanations.

If this isn't your idea and you just volunteered, what was your idea that you mentioned at the beginning of this thread and how is that different from what you're saying the concept is now?

My initial post outlined the concept of the function and my reasoning (already been done, technically permitted, etc.) The initial idea was someone else's

 

[Allison]

In my fields of study, you can never have enough, not just to reinforce your standing as a therapist but also to reinforce your learning.

Actually, you can have enough. At some point, people know that all those letters really don't mean anything and start to question the credentials.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Fair points people. I have shelved the idea.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Actually, you can have enough. At some point, people know that all those letters really don't mean anything and start to question the credentials.

I do beg to differ. You don't need more than a few post-nominal letters, but the more courses you take, the more you learn, the more confident you become, the more effective of a coach you become. I've taken a TONNE of courses (but don't advertise more than a few letters) and I always seek more knowledge. For example, I have a diploma in Past Life Regression. Without it, I would never have had the confidence to practice it. I don't advertise the letters, but they're nice to have. As an aside - I haven't actually done it yet, it's a rare practice.

 

[cabanafrau]

I do beg to differ. You don't need more than a few post-nominal letters, but the more courses you take, the more you learn, the more confident you become, the more effective of a coach you become. I've taken a TONNE of courses (but don't advertise more than a few letters) and I always seek more knowledge. For example, I have a diploma in Past Life Regression. Without it, I would never have had the confidence to practice it. I don't advertise the letters, but they're nice to have. As an aside - I haven't actually done it yet, it's a rare practice.

Can you explain again like you're telling a five year old what exactly the purpose of granting these post nominal letters would be, and how granting them benefits anyone? I'm lost on the fact that only about 12 people would have them: you don't advertise them: outsiders like me have no recognition what they are, what they mean or that they even exist. Is it essentially forming a club and these are like the super secret handshake?

I understand the prospect of more knowledge being a good thing. But I can't work out how these letters can be so niche, so valuable and yet the body that accredits the study and the curriculum doesn't think it's worthwhile to have a system in place to grant them? Respectfully, I don't understand the value in a random student taking it upon themselves to devise a nomenclature or system and declare it the authority. Maybe I'm just too outside the discipline to understand.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

"I don't advertise the letters"

But they are nice to have.

They symbolise learning. As such, clients appreciate them, to an extent. Sometimes, amalgamating them down to a few can be reassuring, so you're not pepper-spraying your clients with tonnes of letters. That was the idea behind Dip. Hypnos. Not to overload the client but still have them wowed.

People DO look these things up you understand. When there are many suitors, you want to know who's the most qualified.

But it's moot. You guys have persuaded me not to go ahead with this initiative. Which is fair enough. Force of the majority, etc.

 

[cabanafrau]

"I don't advertise the letters"

But they are nice to have.

They symbolise learning. As such, clients appreciate them, to an extent. Sometimes, amalgamating them down to a few can be reassuring, so you're not pepper-spraying your clients with tonnes of letters. That was the idea behind Dip. Hypnos. Not to overload the client but still have them wowed.

People DO look these things up you understand. When there are many suitors, you want to know who's the most qualified.

If the academic body who teaches the courses doesn't have a system of letters and therefore doesn't confer them, how is John Q Public going to be able to look them up, understand what they mean -- and feel confident they mean anything?

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

If the academic body who teaches the courses doesn't have a system of letters and therefore doesn't confer them, how is John Q Public going to be able to look them up, understand what they mean -- and feel confident they mean anything?

Internet I've looked therapists' qualifications up on the internet before, when I was a client and not a therapist. Those with shaky qualifications I dismissed. Wanted the best for myself!

 

[cabanafrau]

"I don't advertise the letters"

But they are nice to have.

They symbolise learning. As such, clients appreciate them, to an extent. Sometimes, amalgamating them down to a few can be reassuring, so you're not pepper-spraying your clients with tonnes of letters. That was the idea behind Dip. Hypnos. Not to overload the client but still have them wowed.

People DO look these things up you understand. When there are many suitors, you want to know who's the most qualified.

But it's moot. You guys have persuaded me not to go ahead with this initiative. Which is fair enough. Force of the majority, etc.

Force? I'm asking questions because I simply don't understand. I'm hardly the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I don't honestly feel others reading here can grasp what you're talking about much better than I can. Like I said before, this is probably too inside baseball to discuss meaningfully on this forum because none of us here have done the curriculum you have -- or at least I'm doubtful anyone has. My opinion is only that of numpkin on the street, not really worthwhile for you making some choice about.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Force? I'm asking questions because I simply don't understand. I'm hardly the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I don't honestly feel others reading here can grasp what you're talking about much better than I can. Like I said before, this is probably too inside baseball to discuss meaningfully on this forum because none of us here have done the curriculum you have -- or at least I'm doubtful anyone has. My opinion is only that of numpkin on the street, not really worthwhile for you making some choice about.

I'm afraid I'm tapped out. I'm not too sure what you want? Qualifications are ALWAYS worth it unless they're phonies and you can pick those out with a quick Google search. Amalgamating tonnes of letters down to an elite simple one stops clients from being overloaded. I'm not sure what else I can say?

 

[cabanafrau]

Internet I've looked therapists' qualifications up on the internet before, when I was a client and not a therapist. Those with shaky qualifications I dismissed. Wanted the best for myself!

So your plan is to create the system and put it on the internet for prospective clients?

I understand looking up credentials. But for me that also includes understanding what backs up the credentials. If I look up nominal letters to understand your credentials and simply find an explanation of their meaning without a board of professionals confirming what the criterion is for someone to obtain them I won't be impressed. You've stated you're simply going to create the system. Yes, you have completed studies in the area, but you're not an accredited teacher with an approved curriculum and you can't simply confer status upon other students on that basis.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Maybe an aid? I have

So your plan is to create the system and put it on the internet for prospective clients?

I understand looking up credentials. But for me that also includes understanding what backs up the credentials. If I look up nominal letters to understand your credentials and simply find an explanation of their meaning without a board of professionals confirming what the criterion is for someone to obtain them I won't be impressed. You've stated you're simply going to create the system. Yes, you have completed studies in the area, but you're not an accredited teacher with an approved curriculum and you can't simply confer status upon other students on that basis.

That's why I've applied for accreditation with a top awarding body. If they don't like it, it won't happen. However, it has been demonstrated before that you don't even need that - but I'd like the backing of this body.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Perhaps as an aid? I know someone who has a lot of letters after their name. He only wants to display two. That leaves a lot of others. The now defunct Dip. Hypnos idea would allow him to display the rest of his certificates easily and reap their rewards.

 

[cabanafrau]

Maybe an aid? I have

That's why I've applied for accreditation with a top awarding body. If they don't like it, it won't happen. However, it has been demonstrated before that you don't even need that - but I'd like the backing of this body.

So essentially you're looking for a board certification to be set up in your area of study?

If that's the case the board would have to confer the certification, and a system for obtaining it. Yeah, I guess anyone could simply designate themselves whatever without a board signing off on it -- but without it who wants to place their confidence in it? You yourself stated you researched therapists for yourself because you "wanted the best". I don't understand the idea of it being demonstrated before it can be done without board approval by professionals in the field? That seems worthless.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

So essentially you're looking for a board certification to be set up in your area of study?

If that's the case the board would have to confer the certification, and a system for obtaining it. Yeah, I guess anyone could simply designate themselves whatever without a board signing off on it -- but without it who wants to place their confidence in it? You yourself stated you researched therapists for yourself because you "wanted the best". I don't understand the idea of it being demonstrated before it can be done without board approval by professionals in the field? That seems worthless.

I think we're talking at cross purposes. I don't want that at all. I'm after an easy and eloquent way to advertise that one has three or more qualifying diplomas without as I said, peppering the client with tonnes of letters. That's about it.

 

[cabanafrau]

Perhaps as an aid? I know someone who has a lot of letters after their name. He only wants to display two. That leaves a lot of others. The now defunct Dip. Hypnos idea would allow him to display the rest of his certificates easily and reap their rewards.

I'm used to dealing with curriculum vitae in a legal setting, so essentially you've got to show your work if you want to be declared an expert for testimony purposes. What you're proposing wouldn't pass muster for those purposes.

My husband is in IT and has literally hundreds of certifications dating back 40 years now along with his bachelors and masters courses of study. When he needs to list them professionally he groups them according to things like software, equipment and versions of whatever technical stuff that I'm not even sure. Yes, many of the oldies aren't necessarily germane in and of themselves today, however surprisingly some of them are still considered building blocks and infrastructure of certain technologies in use today, so it is important to represent them as demonstration of his proficiencies leading into cutting edge technologies today. He wouldn't get cleared to be involved on projects without being able to demonstrate the education and experience -- conferred by other recognized professional bodies in the field.

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Don't worry though, you've dissuaded me from going ahead with this idea. Problem solved. You've shot me down