Possible New Plans for the Harry Potter expansion!!!

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Thanks to DISers Harry Potter and Mark290 reporting this on the Jaws closing thread, we have this from http://www.themeparkinsider.com/

Plans for Harry Potter at Universal Studios Florida revealed
Written by Robert Niles
Published: December 31, 2011 at 4:03 PM
For our final post of 2011, I leave you with a little holiday present: The plans for the new Harry Potter land in Universal Studios Florida.
A source was kind enough to allow me a look at the plans - and they do appear spectacular. Before I get into the details, though, let me clarify a few points.

First, these are labeled "Concept," and dated last month (November 2011). There's no sign that these plans have been revised, or approved by engineers, so I am assuming that they are initial concept plans. Even though they are quite detailed, they are far from final, and anyone who's been involved in attraction development can tell you that much can change in the development process.

Second, I've seen only detailed plans for the main attraction in the new land, which appears to be set in Gringotts Bank. I've seen rough detail of the rest of the new land, though, and picked out a few details here and there.

Third, every page is stamped "Confidential," so I'm not supposed to be looking at them or telling you about them, and I'm certainly not going to tell you where I got access to them, so don't even bother asking.

So let's get to it, shall we?

The plans occupy the space between the Fear Factor Live theater and the Disaster! show building on the northwest corner of the Universal Studios Florida property - basically all the land now occupied by the Jaws attraction and surrounding Amity carnival games and shops. The northernmost section of the plot - almost half the land within it - is planned for a massive show building, which will house the Gringotts ride.

On the southeastern portion of the plot, a second attraction is designated. I can't tell from the plans what this attraction will be, but its position is consistent with the rumor of a Hogwarts Express ride connecting the two Harry Potter land, as this attraction points into the back-of-house access road that runs straight into the rear of Sindbad theater where the Wizarding World of Harry Potter is expanding into in Islands of Adventure.

For pedestrians in Universal Studios Florida, there appears to be a single point of entry into the new Harry Potter land, one that requires walking around a center obstacle inside what appears to be an enclosed space. This would fit with being a "secret entrance" to Diagon Alley, from the Harry Potter books and films. There also is what appears to be labeled an 8,900-square-foot restaurant building located immediately to the left of the entrance to the land. Could this be the Leaky Cauldron?

From the entry, there is a street that proceeds straight back to the rounded entrance facade of the Gringotts building.

Diagon Alley, looking down toward Gringotts, from Pottermore.
Besides the restaurant to the left, I can't tell from the plans I saw what will occupy the other spaces in the buildings along the sides of this main street, which I presume to be Diagon Alley. There is a small, 500-square-foot "walk-through attraction" listed on a spur street to the left of the Gringotts entry, a spur that leads to the entrance to the second attraction. (Another Ollivander's? Your guess is as good as mine.)

Now let's get to that Gringotts ride.

It looks like we can expect another elaborately themed walk-through queue tour, along the lines of what we got with Hogwarts Castle in the original Wizarding World of Harry Potter. From the "Entry Hall," the queue appears to leave the building into shaded, then covered, areas before re-entering into the large "Bankers Hall." The next room in the queue is "Vault Display," then the "Reading Room." From there it's into what's labelled "Office Hallway" before we reach "Bill Weasley's Office." The next feature is labelled "Elevators," which take us up a level in order to cross over the ride tracks to access the center load island.

There are two load channels for the ride, with loading on the center island, and unloading off to the outsides. The ride vehicles are twin, 12-person, open-air cars, arranged in three rows of four. Each row is placed slightly higher than the row in front of it, in a "stadium seating" effect. The look of the cars is very Victorian, with individual lap bars and six Dolby speakers per seat for on-ride audio.

After the load platform, the two load channels merge to the south, then bearing to the left and entering Scene 1: "Turntable." In this scene, you'll face a brick wall, with two tunnel entrances, to the left and right. But before you proceed, the track below the first of the twin cars will drop from underneath that car. The track will come to rest at a 40-degree angle. Then, the track under the trailing car will begin to rise, matching the 40-degree angle of the leading car.

At that point, the two cars will drop in tandem into a third tunnel, below the tunnel on the right. Basically, we've just ridden a teeter-totter-like vertical track switch, attaching to the roller coaster track for our initial drop.

From there, we drop into Scene 2: "Dark Tunnel," a kinetic ride section with a small bunny hop and a hard right turn before we hit a block brake in preparation for Scene 3: "Ledge."

The Gringotts ride won't be a traditional roller coaster. It appears to be a hybrid roller coaster and motion-base ride, a la Spider-Man and Transformers. There are 3D projection screens throughout the ride, embedded in the rockwork of the tunnel walls, creating an illusion of open space, within which we'll watch battles taking place.

The first is in the Ledge scene, where some concept art shows a battle with wizards and giant-like creatures. The plans detail a shaker table under the track, and there's a waterfall effect at the end of the scene, including a fogscreen and water spritzers.

There's a slight free drop and turn to the left as we proceed through the waterfall, leading us into Scene 4: "Thief's Downfall." There are wind and heat effects in this scene, along with our first look at a dragon. Meanwhile, the ride's making a chicane-type turn to the left, then the right.

That leads us immediately into Scene 5: "Sirius Black's Vault." We hit a fog blast before entering the vault, where we see illuminated treasure ahead. The car makes a turn to the right, where the physical show scenery opens up a bit, with a large vault area with a flat 3D projection screen along the far wall. We then bear to the left, turning into Scene 6: "Ruins."

We're curving to the right through the rubble of what looks like a collapsed tunnel in this scene, which leads us into Scene 7: "Chasm." We're inside a large projection cone for this scene, which appears to involve Harry, Ron, Hermoine and… could it be? Voldemort? (The concept art I saw wasn't clear - it almost never is.) I do see a heat curtain and cold-air blast noted in this scene, though. (Shades of Revenge of the Mummy?)

From there, we launch into another dark tunnel (Scene 8), which banks up and around to the left, taking us into Scene 9: "Passage," our finale, where Harry and company bid us farewell before we return to the load/unload platform.

And yes, we do exit through a retail shop.

That's all I've got from these initial concept plans. They lack any information about the narrative of the ride or the imagery we'll see on those projection scenes. But the plans do detail a unique hybrid ride system that takes us through scenes that set up a potentially ambitious narrative.

There are a few pictures if you follow the link. If this actually comes to pass, this sounds pretty nice.
 
i read about that on the site when it first broke that story.

i was hoping the new ride would not be similar to spiderman.
 
I didn't see it before so this might be old news. I'm not surprised that they would use the Spidey technology again. Maybe it's the best way to develop a ride in a limited space?
 
I've been hoping for a Gringotts style ride for ages - with the visuals that were laid out in the first film I hoped that it would give them an idea of how to run the track!

This won't be completed by the time I go in August so oh well, I'll just need to plan another trip..... shame.... :rolleyes1:
 

Excellent news!

I was hoping for a couple more attractions, as USF is not exactly noted for its great selection of rides. However, I wonder if MIB could be rethemed to a Wizarding School where we use wands to hit targets? Maybe that would be too IOA Potter rather than USF Potter (I doubt there are Wizarding schools in London lol).

The Leaky Cauldron sounds good though.

Is it just me or does Hogwarts Express train ride from IOA to USF - after initially being a good idea - seems very cheesy. I think Id' rather walk from park to park (even via CityWalk), rather than wait an hour for that kind of thing.
 
Thank you for posting!!!

We love Spiderman and a ride like it would be awesome. They need to make it exciting while keeping in mind HP is for children of all ages.

I know these plans could change but I was hoping it would be similar to Spiderman and not a roller coaster requiring the standard 48" height requirement. Our daughter is 7 right now so by the time this expansion is finished it wouldn't impact our family, but, HP does need an additional ride that doesn't require being 48" or above to ride.
 
I think by making it another simulator-style attraction they are really excluding a portion of the population that can not ride them..Do they really need another one? I can't judge too much yet since I haven't been to Universal yet( 3 weeks:cool1: )..but it seems they have an overabundance of these style rides
 
It is tough to tell how much simulator there actually is in those plans. I don't mind a bit of screen work mixed in with real scenery, especially if it is back a distance to create the atmosphere. It might be more like the Indiana Jones/Dinosaur ride technology since there is a huge amount of space available. I don't think they'll just put a Spidey clone in there.

Kinda weird that someone would be able to leak real plans though...so I'm taking all of this with a huge grain of salt.
 
personaly dont know if its because im not a hp fan even tho i enjoyed wwohp I realy dont think they should put hp in us its overkill. Plus by the time its finish hp hype will be over. They should have something new and fresh
 
OP nice find, thanks for posting:thumbsup2 imo HP is destined to be a classic, so many fans worldwide.

Seemed to be a well-thought ride that the majority of the public could enjoy, although i'm slightly concerned re the nature of term 'launch' in the description below. Hope it's not along the line of the takeoff for hulk/RNRC which can play havoc with those of us with neck/back issues:confused3:

From there, we launch into another dark tunnel (Scene 8)

Any thoughts?
 
I've merged two threads on this same subject. We don't need to have several threads going so please use the search feature before posting a new thread on this subject.

Thank you.
 
Excellent news!

I was hoping for a couple more attractions, as USF is not exactly noted for its great selection of rides. However, I wonder if MIB could be rethemed to a Wizarding School where we use wands to hit targets? Maybe that would be too IOA Potter rather than USF Potter (I doubt there are Wizarding schools in London lol).

The Leaky Cauldron sounds good though.

Is it just me or does Hogwarts Express train ride from IOA to USF - after initially being a good idea - seems very cheesy. I think Id' rather walk from park to park (even via CityWalk), rather than wait an hour for that kind of thing.
I've wondered about the train too but it could be themed and could be an actual experience which might make the wait worth it. That is if any of this is true. ;)
 
Hi from the hard rock hotel... Sigh.....I'm just reading that my AP rates will increase significantly and what's left of the hotel deals will be fewer and father between, lol.
 
Seems the rumours about a brand new section of the Wizarding World are growing, and all stars are alligining to the biggest rumour of all - that being that the expansion is going to be in Universal Studios (and not Islands Of Adventure).

It seems it will be based around Diagon Alley, with the main attraction being Gringotts Bank coaster hybrid ride.

It seems it is to be built on the area now made vacant by the (quite sudden) closure of Jaws Ride and the Amity area.

Plans apparently also show the possibility of a Hogwarts train ride that literally link the separate parks and lands together and the creation of another Olivander's. In addition a large restaurant (so this I reckon would be the leaky cauldron?).

I am a great believer in no smoke without fire, and all the rumours seem to ring true.

As part of their license deal Universal had to make a decision on expansion of Harry Potter by end of 2011, and also had to begin work in 2012. Hence the seemingly quick decision to close Jaws with relativeley short notice (guess this could technically be classed as begining work on the new area as far as the lawyers are concerned??).

The existing land (especially the main street) has suffered amazing overcrowding since opening, and another street of shops (including another Olivanders) will massively help this bottleneck out as well as drive increased attendance to the somewhat lacklustre Universal Park, which depsite being a great park, was begining to look a bit dated and being well overshadowed by Islands Of Adventure.

The 'Hogwarts' train ride seems the most complicated idea in the plans, but despite this makes lots of sense, as this will help push multi-park and multi day tickets.

It seems plans show a construction that would have an 'attraction' face outside of the park, and also recently the old 'Hard Rock Cafe' was demolished, which could either be to help create a route for the train ride, or even be used to house new offices for staff that are in other offices that appear to be in the way of the new Hogwarts train track (hope that makes sense)

The downsides are that it will take visitors out of walking past CityWalk shops and restaurants which could affect their businesses. It also means maybe that the exisiting 'static' Hogwarts train will have to be taken away too (as you can't have two!!) and this will cause construction disruption at the exisiting Wizarding World. There will probably also be a 'walking route' connecting the two parks, staged as a 'secret entrance' or something similar.

Other facts that seem to fit into place, is that the new main ride of Gringotts will be able to build on exisiting technology already used in the Transformers ride recently opened at Universal parks in Asia. So expect a hybrid ride which combines the technology of Spiderman, Transformers and Revenge Of The Mummy (as it appears it will be a 'coster style' track vehicle, with thrill sections and projections, fire and sensory effects)

In terms of timescale, I guess this will be closely follow Disney's Avatar Land timeline, and be designed to fend off their launch of this.

Expect a battle of marketing and PR between the two over these two expansions, with Univeral attempting to crush every Avatar based announcement that is made with their HP Expansion news stories. I don't think Avatar is strong enough to compete, and my guess is that Universal will win that war.

Finally a reasonably reliable source and further info (including concept drawings of the Gringotts Ride vehicles) can be found at http://www.themeparkinsider.com/wizarding-world-of-harry-potter/

As for whether this is truth or pure fantasy - watch this space!!
 
Thank you for posting. We already have a thread on this subject so I'm going to add it to the existing one.
 
More 3D and screens. Blech. Give me real scenes and real action instead of trying to simulate it.
 
Haveg re-read my post (a few up) and examining google earth pics. Having doubts about the Hogwarts express part of this expansion.

It would be too complicated and expensive.

for one they would need to re-theme the entire length of the track, so when you look out of windows you don't see Univeral Backstage buidlings, or worse the local high school and houses.

Plus - in terms of keeping to the story - Hogwarts is not in Diagon Alley, it starts from from Kings Cross, London (well a secret platform in Kings Cross) so that would have to be re-created?

They would also have to totally re-do the entrance to the exisiting WWOHP (and take out the static Hogwarts Express and build a station somehere) causing massive disruption to this exising land (and the revenue stream it currently is bringing them)

Plus, it would have such a limited capacity, it just wouldn't be worth the investment surely?

I think everything else detailed stands, but now very doubtful about the Hogwarts train ride.
 
Haveg re-read my post (a few up) and examining google earth pics. Having doubts about the Hogwarts express part of this expansion.

It would be too complicated and expensive.

for one they would need to re-theme the entire length of the track, so when you look out of windows you don't see Univeral Backstage buidlings, or worse the local high school and houses.

Plus - in terms of keeping to the story - Hogwarts is not in Diagon Alley, it starts from from Kings Cross, London (well a secret platform in Kings Cross) so that would have to be re-created?

They would also have to totally re-do the entrance to the exisiting WWOHP (and take out the static Hogwarts Express and build a station somehere) causing massive disruption to this exising land (and the revenue stream it currently is bringing them)

Plus, it would have such a limited capacity, it just wouldn't be worth the investment surely?

I think everything else detailed stands, but now very doubtful about the Hogwarts train ride.

I didn't believe it myself -- but it makes sense on some levels. First and foremost, it would get all the Potter fans who buy one-park tickets to buy a two-park ticket -- so along with the expected bump in attendance of a major new land, they'd also get an increase in ticket revenue.

And I don't think there would be a massive disruption to the current land -- the train would almost certainly disembark somewhere around the stunt show. The only work they'd need to do on the existing land is the removal of the train once the "real" train is up and running -- put up a construction wall and it's gone in a few days, replaced by a brick wall and a butterbeer cart.

Also, I assume the train won't have windows -- it'll have screens that look like windows. More screens. Ugh. But that's probably what they'll do.

Like I said, I didn't believe it either -- but all signs are really pointing in this direction.
 

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