Pooh sized passengers to pay more on SWA

PBS,
Works for me.
BTW, and totally off topic, I bought a new camera and I expect it will be a great item, once I figure it out. ;)
 
I want to put this into perspective.

You are seated on a plane going to Orlando. All of a sudden an announcement comes on the PA telling you that because a person of size needs a second seat to accomodate themselves, all passengers will now be asked to pay $2 to subsidize that persons seat.

If you accomodate a larger person who needs to purchase two seats by giving it to them for free, you are subsequently passing the expense of not being able to sell that seat to another paying passenger on to the other passengers. How is this going to go over?

Another potential scenario:

Some of the seats on the plane are made larger for larger passengers. You and your family are assigned seats in a row of the larger seats when you purchase your tickets months in advance. You get to the airport, and get on the plane, and all of a sudden are told that you can not sit in those rows as they are needed for larger passengers. There are no more seats available together, and the plane is full of families traveling togther who do'nt want to be split up. So you and you family, including small children, are split up all over the plane in order to accomodate a larger person who can't fit into a regular sized seat.

Not a very good start to a vacation...

Anne
 
Originally posted by seashoreCM
>>>> When someones physical size offends others
the way it does here, its very sad...

But it is not the person's size that offends others, it is the person's behavior.

It is reasonable to expect others to move so that a larger person can have two adjacent seats, but it is the duty and obligation of the larger person to not take someone else's (other than a standby's) seat even if it means getting off the plane.

Persons upset at a larger person's behavior are encouraged to speak up and it is then the flight crew's obligation to get involved and fix the situation. If each passenger doesn't have a seat to him/herself, the plane is oversold.

Hi Seashore! Not sure I agree that it's reasonable to give up my seat in this scenario. If DH and I are seated together and a larger person is seated in our row, I don't feel that it would be reasonable to request us to split up. Rather they should attempt to relocate a single traveler to free up two seats together for the larger person. I also don't feel that it would be proper to request a pax to give up an aisle or window seat if they don't want to.

Anne
 
Originally posted by travelgoddess
When someones physical size offends others
the way it does here, its very sad.

I'm not offended by the size. I'm offended by the "Gimme" mentality. As long as anyone is not affecting me, I don't really care what they do. But when they begin to affect me, be it physically or financially, it becomes offensive.

Anne
 

Thank you Meagansmom! I have lost another 2 pounds this week. Like I said before, I have a long way to go but it is the kind and compassionate DIS posters like yourself and travelgoddess, hulabird, peg2001 and others help to keep me going. Positive, uplifting and compassionate comments go allot further than cruel degrading ones.

I have been a pooh-sized traveler for many many years now and this is what I do to assure my comfort as well as the comfort of other passengers.

1) My husband and I always travel together. So when possible we choose plane types that have 2 seats together. For example an MD-80 has a 2 seat side (seats A & B) and a 3 seat side (D, E & F). A 767 has 2 seat row/3 seat row/2 seat row... We book early and reserve seats A & B. Be careful not to reserve seats in a row behind or in front of an exit row. Those rows tend to have less leg room and/or the seat won't recline. DH and I always raise the arm rest between us and we are fairly comfortable. In the past we always traveled on TWA because St. Louis was their hub. TWA has since been bought by American Airlines and all TWA planes were reconfigured to have more leg room. I can definately tell the difference.

2) Unfortunately flight times and plane types are subject to change. There have been a couple of times where we reserved seats on an MD-80 or a 767 and TWA switched the plane type to a 757 which has only 3 seat rows and some stranger was assigned the seat next to us. I check my reservations every few days to see if there are any changes. If such a change occurs I call the airlines immediately, usually TWA (now American) and explain the situation. They have switched me to a different flight
on a more size comfortable plane free of charge, if plenty of seats are available. This has only happened to us twice in 8 years time and we fly about 4 times a year. I don't know if American would do the same but I do know that TWA would. Please know that this will mean having to be very flexible about the time of day you will be flying. Very early morning flights (6am) or late at night flights (10pm or after), in my experience, tend to be less full.

3) If there are no flights available where you won't be sitting next to a stranger OR you are traveling alone, I do suggest looking into purchasing an extra seat. Having been through this many times, you will be just miserable if the passenger next to you is glaring, complaining or making rude comments. I know it is expensive but keep checking airfares several times a day before your trip and take advantage of sales. Keep in mind, you will have to be flexible with your flight days and times to find cheaper fares. Also, some fare sales will last just a few hours. For example, on Monday of this week there was a fare for $107 RT from STL to MCO on US Airways. It lasted just a couple of hours and is now gone. I have also heard recently that there are occasionally very low fares early in the morning around the 4am time. Yes I know, who wants to get up that early but it might be worth your while. After snagging that great sale go for an early morning walk. The world is so peaceful and quiet that time of day and it gives me time to think about my upcoming WDW trip. :D

4) I bring my own seat belt extender. Most of the time, but not always, I do need one. I carry most of my weight in the abdomen. It can save the pooh-size person time and potential embarrassment of having to request one from a flight attendant. Some of them are discreet about it, others are not. I will not post here where I purchased mine but PM me if you would like the information or have any other questions about pooh-sized travel.

Happy traveling for everyone!!! :) :) :)
 
Originally posted by Disneylvr
I have lost another 2 pounds this week.

That's such wonderful news!

Thank you for your post which offers some really constructive ideas for making flying more comfortable for EVERYONE!

I also like the MD-80 for it's 2 x 3 configuration. Regretfully most carriers are phasing it out. Apparantly it is more expensive to operate and maintain than many of the Airbus and Boeing models.

Anne
 
Thank you Anne. :D Progress is slow but steady.

You are right about the MD-80's, they are definately being phased out. They were made by McDonnell Douglas which was bought by Boeing a few years ago. But I am seeing more and more Boeing 767's in operation (at least on American) and they have the 2-3-2 configuration and I think they are a little bit more comfortable than the MD-80's and 88's. Could you tell me more about the Airbus seating configuation? I am familiar with 737's, 757's and 767's but haven't been on an Airbus for many years.
 
I wo'nt fly on Airbus equipment, so I'm not really sure. Gail??

Anne
 
To Disneylvr: If you and your spouse can share two seats with the armrest raised in between, you should not have any problem with a third person in a third seat in the same row.

To Ducklite: Imagine a large person who actually bought two seats but forgot to select seats. In the plane every aisle seat and every window seat is taken byothers and every middle seat is empty (33-1/3 percent of the seats are vacant). This large person will have to impose on somebody or force at least one person to move! True, if someone needs to be moved every effort should be made to keep people who want to sit together together.
 
My husband is a large man seashoreCM, very broad chested. He doesn't take up 2 seats or require an extender but I know that he doesn't like to be squished between me and a stranger with no arm room. I myself take an inch or so of his seat with my thighs. So if we are in a 3 seat row, the seat is as much for his comfort, mine AND the other passengers. If he was a small guy then yes 2 seats for us would be fine and no other passenger would be effected. On planes with a two seater row, I take the window seat and he takes the aisle seat. Yes we are squished together but as a couple we call it cuddling. :D And most importantly we aren't making another passenger uncomfortable.

As a large person I know that early seat assignment is very important and I make my seat selections as soon as it is allowable for that particular airline. I also check regularly to make sure there are no changes made to my reservation, i.e aircraft changes, seats re-assigned, flight change or canceled.... If a change is made I am on the phone ASAP with the airline. For example I am flying from STL to CMH for a wedding next month. The aircraft was an MD-80 with a 2 seater row and 3 seater row. DH and I were assigned row 8 seat A & B (two seater side) at my request. Our flight was canceled and we were put on a new flight, and assigned row 8 again but seats E & F on the 3 seat side. Another passenger was assigned seat D. Upon finding this out I was on the phone immediately with American and our seat assingment was changed to 18 A & B on the 2 seater side.

Because of my special needs, I never volunteer to give up my seat(s) when a flight is overbooked and so far I haven't been bumped from a flight. Flying from STL, I never make connecting flights and I hope to keep it that way. Making connecting flights is too risky for me. Maybe in a year or so, when I have finally become a size 14, I will take that risk again! :)
 
Originally posted by Disneylvr
Could you tell me more about the Airbus seating configuation? I am familiar with 737's, 757's and 767's but haven't been on an Airbus for many years.

Airbus builds a series of aircraft similar to Boeing. They have the A319, A320, and A321 which are all narrow body 2 engined aircraft similar to the 737, 757. They have a 3-3 seating arrangement. They are slightly wider than the 737 however and because of this the seat widths are usually an inch wider or so.. Airbus also has 2 wide body aircraft these are the A330 and A340. The A330 has 2 engines and the A340 has 4 engines. Both of these have a 2-4-2 seating configuration. They are wider than a 767 but narrower than a 777. Airbus is also currently working on the A380. This will be the largest plane flying when it is built. The plane will feature 2 floors along the length of the plane, and will be larger in passenger capacity than the 747.
 
Anne,
If memory serves the config. on the airbusses I have flown on are 2-4-2.

Disneylvr,
Good for you. Slow and steady is the healthy way. If I said anything to offend you, I am truly sorry.
 
Thank you Gail. :D What airlines use Airbus planes? Right now I only fly American but I remember a few years ago I flew on Delta and I am pretty sure it was an Airbus. My dad works for Boeing and he keeps me pretty well educated on planes and I remember him telling me Airbus was a European plane. If I remember correctly the plane was quite comfortable.

Michelle
 
NWA uses some Airbus planes. The coach configurations are 3 seats, aisle, 3 seats. It is possible that the configurations vary by airline. My advice is to check the airline's web site or call the airline to verify the plane configuaration for the specific flight you are interested in. Here is a map to the seat maps for NWA:

http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/

I admit that I look at seat maps for every trip to see where I am sitting. I like NWA's seat maps becasue they tell you how wide the seats are (and most coach seats in their fleet seem to be less than 18 inches:() as well as how much space/leg room there is between rows.

From experience, I know that Delta also has seat maps on its web site as does AW. It's probable that all the major carriers do.
 
US, NW and CO are all using some Airbus equipment. In all honesty I would imagine all of the Big 7 are flying at least some Airbus equipment.

Anne
 
US Airways, United, Northwest, America West and American, Frontier, JetBlue currently use Airbus Equipment. (There may be a couple more I missed.)

Delta and Continental do not at this point, they may have at some point in the past, I am not certain. Southwest and ATA do not fly them either and never have.
 
I flew American's Airbus to Jamaica and Air Jamaica, also to Jamaica. If memory serves, I flew an Airbus to Vegas via Northwest (don't quote me on this one, it was a about 7 years ago. :) )
 
Why do people/airlines single out "Pooh Sized" people? Yes, I have been squished in my seat by others for various reasons...but I have also sat next to people whose body odor was nauseating, personal habits disgusting, kids/adults sitting behind me kicking my seat, obnoxious drunks...the list could go on and on....and yet, while I certainly understand SWA policy and those of you who do not wish to share your seat...Why is it only a policy for size and not other bothersome conditions????? Because it is impossible to police everyone???just easier to spot the Pooh people...seems unfair.
 
Jeannine,
Trust me, Pooh sized people are not being singled out. Anyone that needs more room will pay for the extra seat. This includes people with car seats that are too large for the seat, and a few other items. Read the policy on SWA's site. And....while you are at it, read the contract of carraige. Most of what you cited here is covered there.

I find most of what you posted as objectionable to be totally legtimate and who has not experienced one or most of what you talked about? Bad as those issues are there is nothing to compare with flying in half a seat or without the use of even one arm rest. I have had this happen with non Pooh sized people and it is very annoying.

Why is it only a policy for size and not other bothersome conditions????? Because it is impossible to police everyone???just easier to spot the Pooh people...seems unfair.
Again, read the policy, the media had a field day with this one and never ever mentioned the entire policy.
 
Originally posted by sgtdisney
Delta and Continental do not at this point, they may have at some point in the past, I am not certain. Southwest and ATA do not fly them either and never have.

Sgt is right, I was mistaken in my earlier post. CO isn't currently flying Airbus. I was thinking of something else. Apologies for any inconveniece.

Anne
 












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