Poly Tower Speculation

[Jwaire]

Granted, I can book at 11 months so I could be off a little, but I think the “they are always available at 7 months” quote about Poly Studios is a little overdone. There have been lots of times I could not add on a few extra days to my reservation because none were available.

Poly studios are gone for my week in may 9 months out -

Same. It's much harder to book than many on this board believe. Folks act like PVB has SSR availability and it just doesn't.

You may get lucky and snag a few days for a split stay and you probably have a good chance of your wait list coming through because there's 360 studios (What the 2nd largest number of studios in the system outside of SSR?).

But it's no SSR or even OKW or AKV.

But, if PVB studios are typically there for 7 month bookings, couldn't that indicate that many owners who own there trade out to have the 1 and 2 bedrooms?

I expect there's PVB owners that also don't want to spend upward of 19+ per night to stay in a studio too. We're seeing this a lot with GFV owners now that the resort studios are all declared. They own there but with the rich point chart, they can't get a 7 day vacation in with their 150 points.

Either way, more studios at the resort = more chances to book.

The new tower has to be mostly (all?) lock-offs with a few (10-20?) duos and (2?) grand villas thrown in there. Add in standard, preferred and probably theme park view rooms—that's a lot of new options.

 

[Sandisw]

Same. It's much harder to book than many on this board believe. Folks act like PVB has SSR availability and it just doesn't.

You may get lucky and snag a few days for a split stay and you probably have a good chance of your wait list coming through because there's 360 studios (What the 2nd largest number of studios in the system outside of SSR?).

But it's no SSR or even OKW or AKV.



I expect there's PVB owners that also don't want to spend upward of 19+ per night to stay in a studio too. We're seeing this a lot with GFV owners now that the resort studios are all declared. They own there but with the rich point chart, they can't get a 7 day vacation in with their 150 points.

Either way, more studios at the resort = more chances to book.

The new tower has to be mostly (all?) lock-offs with a few (10-20?) duos and (2?) grand villas thrown in there. Add in standard, preferred and probably theme park view rooms—that's a lot of new options.

I think your right it will have a lot of lock offs which does increase the options.

And maybe many PVB owners chsnge due to the higher point charts but I also imagine it’s for the larger rooms as well.

So, it will be interesting to see what happens

 

[WilsonFlyer]

This sub-forum is in desperate need of something new to talk about. Seriously. Nothing against this thread. My comment is in regard to how little there has been to discuss about DVC lately.

 

[CarolynFH]

This sub-forum is in desperate need of something new to talk about. Seriously. Nothing against this thread. My comment is in regard to how little there has been to discuss about DVC lately.

Have to wait for the first reports and photos from BWV refurb - hopefully before Christmas.

 

[jrieder]

Does anyone feel that Polynesian is too crowded and with the addition of new units it will just add to the crowd level l, especially at the main pool.

 

[Tramp200]

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[TheDailyMoo]

I know they won't but Poly2 needs to have an expansive Hawaiian resort style pool complex replete with multiple waterfalls and slides and grottos. I shouldn't see nicer pools on the HGTV pool shows than a brand new Disney resort.

 

[BamaGuy44]

I know they won't but Poly2 needs to have an expansive Hawaiian resort style pool complex replete with multiple waterfalls and slides and grottos. I shouldn't see nicer pools on the HGTV pool shows than a brand new Disney resort.

They love to do carbon copies of rides in different parks. Maybe they could recreate the Aulani pool and lazy river at Poly2. I know that's not feasible but a guy can dream.

 

[GoingSince1990]

They love to do carbon copies of rides in different parks. Maybe they could recreate the Aulani pool and lazy river at Poly2. I know that's not feasible but a guy can dream.

Nice dream. More likely the BLT pool.

 

[zavandor]

They love to do carbon copies of rides in different parks. Maybe they could recreate the Aulani pool and lazy river at Poly2. I know that's not feasible but a guy can

Before Poly 1 was built, a project was rumored with a much more impressive DVC presence: new buildings and a pool with a lazy river. That never happened.
They are building a new pool by the new tower,.which might have something novel, it seems it's an infinity pool. I don't know if it'll be more popular than the main pool, but it neededn't to be. It's enough that it attractS more people than the additional ones that staying at the new Tower will go to the main pool.

 

[maui22]

Does anyone feel that Polynesian is too crowded and with the addition of new units it will just add to the crowd level l, especially at the main pool.

Yes.

When PVB first opened the restaurant and pool situation was sufficient because the longhouses were a transition of hotel to studio, so bungalows were the only addition. After some number of years, owners tend to spend more time at the resort (pool and restaurants). Not sure how many people spend bungalow points and then use the kitchen. Studios results in restaurants being used more. This spring, we were shocked to have QS wait times of an hour.

Really feel Disney realized the damage they did to the resorts restaurant situation so they are adding more restaurants to the tower. Downside for tower owners/guests could be the increased non-guests using elevators, stairs, etc. Monorail tower with food will be a significant new tests for DVC. RIV is closest comparison, but that is no where near as accessible as short walk from TTC.

Poly main pool will absolutely be over capacity at times with the tower adding to the struggle. Evenings we often had trouble finding 2 chairs together (5 of us). Young children love the water play area and older ones love the slide.

 

[Jwaire]

They love to do carbon copies of rides in different parks. Maybe they could recreate the Aulani pool and lazy river at Poly2. I know that's not feasible but a guy can dream.

That was the idea behind the initial lazy pool and tower concept back in 2014/2015 when WDI/Imagineering was designing this project.

Now, most of the hotel work (architecture, interiors, even refurbs) is outsourced to architectural firms that are use to designing hotels for Marriott or Vegas Casinos.

RIV may very well be WDI's last hotel effort—at least domestically.

WDI still has the people. Just look at what OLC is having them build for Tokyo Disney Resort. It blows me away that these two projects are being built in the same era, it's like DisneySea and DCA 1.0 all over again.

 

[bbeagle]

I was thinking about the Towers - and if they'd be Poly1 or Poly2. Is it possible for Disney to make Poly1 a hybrid?

Disney can make the Towers a 'new association' (Poly2), and allow direct point reservations there only (like VDH and RIV). But add two stipulations:
* Poly1 points direct will have the 11 month advantage at Poly2 -and-
* Poly2 points direct will have a 11 month advantage at Poly 1

Therefore, If you buy direct at Poly1 or Poly2, you get access to the Towers, original studios and bungalows at 11 months, but if you buy resale Poly you DON'T get Tower access at 11 months.

Buying direct anywhere will get you access to all of Poly1 and Poly2 at 7 months, but buying resale will not allow you to book reservations at the Tower - just the original studios and bungalows.

The Poly1 contract would have to be changed - to allow a 'sister association' to access Poly1 reservations at 11 months, but also grant permission to access another association (Poly2) at 11 months.

It'd be interesting if that was possible. It would give direct owners of Poly1 and Poly2 more benefits while also allowing Disney to make the Towers more restrictive like VDH and RIV. Disney wouldn't have any direct owners upset, just resale owners. And it would seem that a new perk was given to direct owners.

 

[BamaGuy44]

I was thinking about the Towers - and if they'd be Poly1 or Poly2. Is it possible for Disney to make Poly1 a hybrid?

Disney can make the Towers a 'new association' (Poly2), and allow direct point reservations there only (like VDH and RIV). But add two stipulations:
* Poly1 points direct will have the 11 month advantage at Poly2 -and-
* Poly2 points direct will have a 11 month advantage at Poly 1

Therefore, If you buy direct at Poly1 or Poly2, you get access to the Towers, original studios and bungalows at 11 months, but if you buy resale Poly you DON'T get Tower access at 11 months.

Buying direct anywhere will get you access to all of Poly1 and Poly2 at 7 months, but buying resale will not allow you to book reservations at the Tower - just the original studios and bungalows.

The Poly1 contract would have to be changed - to allow a 'sister association' to access Poly1 reservations at 11 months, but also grant permission to access another association (Poly2) at 11 months.

It'd be interesting if that was possible. It would give direct owners of Poly1 and Poly2 more benefits while also allowing Disney to make the Towers more restrictive like VDH and RIV. Disney wouldn't have any direct owners upset, just resale owners. And it would seem that a new perk was given to direct owners.

That would be weird and confusing, so it's exactly the kind of thing they're likely to do! Don't give them any ideas

 

[Sandisw]

I was thinking about the Towers - and if they'd be Poly1 or Poly2. Is it possible for Disney to make Poly1 a hybrid?

Disney can make the Towers a 'new association' (Poly2), and allow direct point reservations there only (like VDH and RIV). But add two stipulations:
* Poly1 points direct will have the 11 month advantage at Poly2 -and-
* Poly2 points direct will have a 11 month advantage at Poly 1

Therefore, If you buy direct at Poly1 or Poly2, you get access to the Towers, original studios and bungalows at 11 months, but if you buy resale Poly you DON'T get Tower access at 11 months.

Buying direct anywhere will get you access to all of Poly1 and Poly2 at 7 months, but buying resale will not allow you to book reservations at the Tower - just the original studios and bungalows.

The Poly1 contract would have to be changed - to allow a 'sister association' to access Poly1 reservations at 11 months, but also grant permission to access another association (Poly2) at 11 months.

It'd be interesting if that was possible. It would give direct owners of Poly1 and Poly2 more benefits while also allowing Disney to make the Towers more restrictive like VDH and RIV. Disney wouldn't have any direct owners upset, just resale owners. And it would seem that a new perk was given to direct owners.

They cannot give owners of a different association the same booking window as owners. The POS guarantees that owners get at least a one month home resort advantage to book their home resort..we currently all get 4 months. That is also why whether one has direct or resale points, their booking window and rules at their home resort must remain the same.

The only way that any PVB owners get home resort advantage at Poly tower is to combine them into one association.

Put another way, current PVB owners, all of them, have the right to book at least one month ahead of all other owners in different associations ,and they can’t change that to apply differently to how one acquires their points…that is part of FL timeshare law,

Exchanges into non home resorts can have different rules for resale buyers, but not ones for using the home resort one is deeded to.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Ok so what is a good guestimate as to when the new Poly2 points should go on sale?

 

[BamaGuy44]

Ok so what is a good guestimate as to when the new Poly2 points should go on sale?

If they stay on track to open late next year I'd guess next summer, June or July.

 

[hockeydad21]

Big news and insights out of the latest poly tower filing! Still no news on the association, but I’m curious if the room breakdowns for this section change anyone’s guess on the association.

Looking forward to more news in the months to come!

https://dvcfan.com/2023/09/22/new-p...CB8jhj4M0YEKteBPfdMvPglviK_6NutTW4ScoPuw61wQY

 

[intamin]

Big news and insights out of the latest poly tower filing! Still no news on the association, but I’m curious if the room breakdowns for this section change anyone’s guess on the association.

Looking forward to more news in the months to come!

https://dvcfan.com/2023/09/22/new-p...CB8jhj4M0YEKteBPfdMvPglviK_6NutTW4ScoPuw61wQY

I think it having its own dedicated (not just lock off) studios is a slight tip towards its own association. If they were just trying to fill out the 1/2/3 BR niche there wouldn’t be as much of a need for them given how many studios are already part of the prior association.

This and then add the fact that this is its own building and wasn’t a quick flip like VGF2.

Also they were selling PVB with incentives back in what mid 2022?

 

[hockeydad21]

The 2 dedicated studios I highlighted are what threw me off in my original prediction. I thought this section would be a duo/tower studio (2 people) and a 1 bedroom. Instead it turned out to be a duo/tower studio and then 2 dedicated studios.

This definitely changes my outlook, and now I’ve gotta lean towards it being a new association. It still could be the same because ya never know with Disney, but the odds are far less likely now.