Poly Bungalow Thoughts

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So I just wanted to put this out there for the community to see what everyone's thoughts are about the new Polynesian Bungalow point requirements? Don't get me wrong I think the new bungalows look awesome, and being out on the lake with the little dip pool on the deck sound amazing, but 115 points Su-Th during the "cheap" season?? We were lucky enough to spend 7 days in a Treehouse Villa for our 15 year wedding anniversary last July and that was 366 for a whole week... That would only get us 2 nights in a bungalow?? The bungalow prices are even more than the 3 Bedroom Grand Villa at BLT with a MK view during the cheap season...

SO... My question is do you think Disney has gone too crazy high for these bungalows and out priced them for what you're getting? The concept is cool, don't get me wrong, but it seems like you would need to just have more points than you need to even consider a chance to stay in a bungalow. We have 210 so we would need to save for ~3 full years to get 1 5 night cheap season stay in a bungalow? I just don't see the value in using points to stay there. I know there are people that have the points to stay there, but again my question is do you think that they have "pointed" these nights way too high?

Just curious what the community thinks...
 
This issue has already been discussed a lot on these boards in other threads. The points needed for the bungalows are very high, higher than even VGF GVs. When you combine them with the high dollar cost per point, the cost is extreme. For a yearly one week stay, the purchase price ranges from $138,000 to $238,000. And you don't even get daily cleaning service with that, most of your beds are barely comfortable pull-out couches or murphy beds, the deck pool is not even heated, and you also get to pay high annual dues. For the total cost for a week, you could easily purchase a nice condo in the area for year round use and spend less total and stay all year if you want.

Thus, you have a group of bungalows that cost far too much for the DVC target audience to afford it -- those who come mainly once a year for a week or so who still live on budgets and do Disney because they consider their place to go but still have to control expenses to do it. The bungalows will also not entice the multi-millionaires that could afford them for the same reasons I just mentioned above, i.e., they do not have services and comfort levels those guests would expect.

So has Disney gone crazy? From a viewpoint that would look at whether there will be a lot of purchasers doing so to get the bungalows, the answer would be yes, Disney would be crazy to think large numbers are going to buy to get those bungalows . But Disney is far more intelligent and devious than that. Sure, there will likely be times when those bungalows fill with member reservations: possibly very high demand times like first two weeks of December, Christmas week, Thanksgiving and some times in Oct, and probably some other times with members who just want to get a bunglaow for a couple nights. But as Disney already knows from having only 6 high cost VGF GVs that are open much of the year well past the seven month window, it is likley members will not fill those bungalows the majority of the year.

However, the real point overlooked is that Disney does not care whether members ever stay in those bungalows. All it cares about is that the points applicable tp those bungalows are purchased. Here is the theorectical meeting that one might surmise occurred a couple years or so ago among Disney execs: Wouldn't it be a great idea if we could build a bunch of bungalows on the lake to rent out at a high price that we could probably discount in packages that included tickets, have usual daily cleaning service, and throw in some extras like allowing use of concierge lounge and services at the resort, while at the same time paying essentially nothing to construct those bungalows and having someone else pay for all their maintenace, refurbishment and tax costs going forward and thus even if we cannot rent all of them, we lose no money. Great idea, we could even promote the place for wedding groups, but how do we do it?

The answer is make them part of a DVC resort that is mostly studios. Though the studios are expensive, they are still within the range of affordability for the target audience for DVC sales. Likely the Poly will sell out, including all the points appicable to the bungalows, in a few years mainly to purchasers wanting studios. The demand for studios will likely become problematic, particularly is those high demand times in the last quarter of the year because far more points are chasing stays in those studios than contemplated by the number of points applicable just to the studios. And what does Disney get with that sell-out? It recovers all its building costs of the bungalows and adds a large profit via the sales. It then gets to charge to all those members who bought to get only studios annual dues that cover all the maintenance, refurbishment and tax costs of the bungalows. And on top of that it gets to rent the bungalows most of time, and to entice rentals it can do many things including discounts, ticket packages, wedding pacakages, offer use of concierge, etc., And almost all of that rental income will be pure profit to Disney because the only amount it has to return to members is a small percentage to set off 2.5% of the annual dues (less taxes) that members pay for the resort.

Disney is not crazy. It is a genius.
 
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I definitely see your point about using DVC to "fund" the bungalow construction. I just can't see how they could put out a point chart with values that high.. I mean it's off the charts compared to the room sizes at the other resorts. I know it's all about location, location, location, but like I said we were able to stay 7 days in a Treehouse. We had points banked to help with that rental as we aren't lucky enough to have a yearly contract for that amount of points, but it was nice, and at least we were able to do it for as long as we did. I would love to try out a bungalow, but at those nightly prices it'll never happen... It's a bummer. And I know there are some members that are much better off financially than my family and have the 1000 points or more, but even I think those members would shake their head at the value of their points to stay in the bungalow compared to what those some points would get you.

I assumed it had been talked about before as the charts have been out a couple weeks now, but I'm just getting back into the forums and this was something that I just couldn't believe so I'd toss it out there to see if I was not alone... :P
 
Many posts like this are out there- and yet, many have posted on the DVC Facebook page that they have booked a full week in the bungalows as of Wednesday. I fully expect they will get quite a few that use them, and many that use them just for a night or two
 

It is a mystery to me on why they would have such a high point per night. I will personally never stay there because I believe the cost is so ridiculous that nothing can justify making it worthwhile. Maybe what drusba says is true but I do not even see it used as a honeymoon stay because it is too big of a place and not cost effective for two people. I would think most honeymooners get studios or one bedrooms.
 
That's crazy to think that you say people say they have a full week booked already... I wish I had enough points to book a week.. I know there are those blessed people out there, but unfortunately we're not one of them so we just have to stay within our point budget. We feel like we've never had a bad stay, and our trip to the Treehouse Villas was the most we had ever spent on a vacation room, we'd stay there again for a full week before we'd consider using all those points on only 1 or 2 nights at the bungalow for the same cost..
 
So I just wanted to put this out there for the community to see what everyone's thoughts are about the new Polynesian Bungalow point requirements? Don't get me wrong I think the new bungalows look awesome, and being out on the lake with the little dip pool on the deck sound amazing, but 115 points Su-Th during the "cheap" season?? We were lucky enough to spend 7 days in a Treehouse Villa for our 15 year wedding anniversary last July and that was 366 for a whole week... That would only get us 2 nights in a bungalow?? The bungalow prices are even more than the 3 Bedroom Grand Villa at BLT with a MK view during the cheap season...

SO... My question is do you think Disney has gone too crazy high for these bungalows and out priced them for what you're getting? The concept is cool, don't get me wrong, but it seems like you would need to just have more points than you need to even consider a chance to stay in a bungalow. We have 210 so we would need to save for ~3 full years to get 1 5 night cheap season stay in a bungalow? I just don't see the value in using points to stay there. I know there are people that have the points to stay there, but again my question is do you think that they have "pointed" these nights way too high?

Just curious what the community thinks...

They out priced me. I may own enough points to book, but I cannot see me booking on a regular basis. I may book a night or two in low season to experience them (they are unique after all) but I don't see us repeating. But then, I think the Treehouse Villas are too expensive once they reallocated and we have not returned there.

That said, I do believe there is a market for these. There are plenty of people willing to pay the price to stay club level at the Poly - I'm sure there are a number of Disney visitors that will be willing to pay the price for the bungalows, too. I don't agree with those that say these will be vacant often and overwhelm the studio requests. I think between the existing market and those looking for once in a lifetime or rare visits there will be fairly low vacancy rates.
 
Yep, takes some serious points to stay in the Bungalows. That being said I look forward to the opportunity to stay at least a couple nights in one then transfer out to my home resort. I think many have hit the nail on the head, that those who buy in will do so for the studios and reservation will be tough to get.
 
I'd rather have 12 family & friends in a nice big GV in the BW. When news broke of a DVC Poly, we talked about an add on there, and thought we'd love to own there. Poly is a lovely resort, but at this cost and points per night it just doesn't do it for us, especially since they changed out the lobby making it more average.....
A studio, at most, there for 2-3 nights just to experience being in that location once may be on the horizon, but no more. Thankfully we were lucky enough to buy where we love to be and to buy early on, when it was a much lower price per point. Never a regret, and bought at a time when the cash flow allowed for it without financing :)

This is JOHO. :)
 
We like the convenience of having a full sized kitchen when we stay at a DVC villa, and because the only option other than the pricey bungalows are studios, I doubt that we will ever stay at the Poly. I wish they would have put in some 1 & 2 bedroom units.
 
It's interesting that the first room types at PVB to start filling up with the bungalows.

Just like GVs, they will be booked at times and many times they will not.

For example...
Once the resort is sold out, I suspect July 3rd and 4th these bungalows will be booked solid before the 7 month period.
 
Ok point charts are ridiculous and I agree Disney knows what it is doing in regards to making money.

What I don't get is this
If the bungalows are Dvc.... At what point can Disney rent them out?
Does Disney own a certain amount and the "Dvc" ones will stay empty?

I will be one of those members who will snag a studio if I can at some point, and never use my points for a bungalow.
Thanks
Kerri
 
What I don't get is this
If the bungalows are Dvc.... At what point can Disney rent them out?
Does Disney own a certain amount and the "Dvc" ones will stay empty?

Currently, 10 bungalows (and 144 studios) are declared into DVC inventory so members can book a maximum of that many rooms at a given time (for now).
As sales progress they will declare more rooms into DVC inventory. When those rooms are declared into DVC inventory, there will be more rooms DVC members can book.
Eventually, the 20 bungalows and all 360 studios will be fully declared into DVC inventory for members to book.

Any undeclared inventory, Disney uses for hotel stays.

If PVB owners opt to use their points for items like DCL and Adventures by Disney, DVC management uses those points to rent out rooms from the declared inventory. The cash is used to offset the cost of DCL or ABD.

The whole declared vs undeclared is why resorts are easier to book until they sell out.
 
Currently, 10 bungalows (and 144 studios) are declared into DVC inventory so members can book a maximum of that many rooms at a given time (for now).
As sales progress they will declare more rooms into DVC inventory. When those rooms are declared into DVC inventory, there will be more rooms DVC members can book.
Eventually, the 20 bungalows and all 360 studios will be fully declared into DVC inventory for members to book.

Any undeclared inventory, Disney uses for hotel stays.

If PVB owners opt to use their points for items like DCL and Adventures by Disney, DVC management uses those points to rent out rooms from the declared inventory. The cash is used to offset the cost of DCL or ABD.

The whole declared vs undeclared is why resorts are easier to book until they sell out.
Gotcha! Thanks for the info:-)
 
I was curious so tried a few different dates on the WDW website to see if the Bungalows would show up - although studios are showing up, I wasn't able to find any dates yet where you could actually do a cash reservation. Anyone see any?

I have a theory which may have been discussed elsewhere, as I've read many of the posts but there are so many it's been hard to keep up. I wonder if part of this is a play to "re-anchor" some DVC members on what a reasonable amount of points are to have/use for single bookings. From what I understand, GVs are frequently empty (never have stayed in one, but I seem to get that vibe from these boards). If you can get a subset of users to see 115+ points a night to be a reasonable amount, a GV starts really looking like a great bargain and there is a good chance demand for those will increase as high buyers occasionally "downsize" in point spend or balk at Poly bungalows but eagerly buy in to the next resort's GV level as a "bargain". So you may in effect be setting up a new tier of luxury buyers to cater to in the future on multiple fronts. Just a thought.
 
That's crazy to think that you say people say they have a full week booked already... I wish I had enough points to book a week.. ..

Don't forget those who buy depending on use year month get 2014 points as well. This would be a good excuse to give the Bungalows a try.
 
I originally was so excited to hear of these, but the point charts made my jaw drop and then seeing them up and close last week...well I'll stick with a studio or BLT! Why?
Sure, they look VERY cool and have a great view of the castle, but the MK Ferry is very up close and personal! Too close, IMO. There is no privacy.
When I priced out 4 nights in June, it was 695 points! They will probably fill them, because there are so few, but this family will most likely stick to BLT!
 
Sure, they look VERY cool and have a great view of the castle, but the MK Ferry is very up close and personal! Too close, IMO. There is no privacy.
Feel sorry for the sucker that ends up in the last bungalows near the Ferry path! If they decide to have their morning cup of coffee outside or in near the living room window, I hope they are dressed decent :rolleyes1
 
I originally was so excited to hear of these, but the point charts made my jaw drop and then seeing them up and close last week...well I'll stick with a studio or BLT! Why?
Sure, they look VERY cool and have a great view of the castle, but the MK Ferry is very up close and personal! Too close, IMO. There is no privacy.
When I priced out 4 nights in June, it was 695 points! They will probably fill them, because there are so few, but this family will most likely stick to BLT!

No privacy haven't looked at map to see that. Yikes total buzzkill!
Now I don't even want to stay there
Hearing those ferries early mornin and night.... No thanks!!
Where are the studios?
Thanks
Kerri
 



















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