Poly 2024 Expansion ‘Restricted’

[CaptainAmerica]

As mentioned, nothing official has been announced.

To add... not only has it not been announced, but it's not like the guides know either. This guide wasn't tipping their hand from some kind of secret inside knowledge they have that just isn't publicly available. They don't know any more than we do. In fact, I'd wager that the average 1,000-post DISboard DVC member knows more than the average guide, with the exception of the 48 hours before some kind of new announcement or incentive.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Anyone think Poly 2 might be a separate association but direct buyers would get 11 month booking privileges at Poly 1?

For that to balance out, they'd also have to give Poly 1 owners 11 month privileges at Poly 2.... and at that point what would be the reason to make it a separate association?

 

[hglenn]

For that to balance out, they'd also have to give Poly 1 owners 11 month privileges at Poly 2.... and at that point what would be the reason to make it a separate association?

Ah, yea… good point….

 

[Sandisw]

Anyone think Poly 2 might be a separate association but direct buyers would get 11 month booking privileges at Poly 1?

If it is a new association, each has to have at least a one month advantage over other owners It can not be the same as staying at another home resort is a function of being part of BVTC.

Now, they might be able to give PVB owners a head start over all other resorts…say 9 month booking vs 7 month booking..and it would probably be reciprocal.

Not sure they’d try to complicate it. But it would be possible to allow PVB owners a better booking window than say SSR

 

[RamblinWreck]

Anyone think Poly 2 might be a separate association but direct buyers would get 11 month booking privileges at Poly 1?

I don’t think this would be possible.

The Poly 1 owners would be suing them so fast it would make their teacups spin.

 

[Sandisw]

I don’t think this would be possible.

The Poly 1 owners would be suing them so fast it would make their teacups spin.

We are all guaranteed only a 1 month advantage over the other owners. It does not have to be 4 months.

 

[RamblinWreck]

When have Disney or any other timeshare company for that matter thought about owners?

Devaluing poly would be a good thing, seen from disneys perspective that is. Then they can buy back contracts for cheaper and sell for higher.

For all of these reasons, if I were a current owner of a Poly resale contract there is a 100% chance I’d be looking to sell right now.

If the new Poly tower is a different association with Riviera-like restrictions, the current Poly points are going to be in a tough spot IMO. I wouldn’t want to be left holding that bag.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Anyone think Poly 2 might be a separate association but direct buyers would get 11 month booking privileges at Poly 1?

IMO that would complicate things further as two resorts have reciprocally privileges but the rest don’t.

Just take BRV and CCV that’s the setup(+restrictions) we will see if it’s a separate association and they don’t have reciprocally booking privileges.

 

[Cyberc1978]

For all of these reasons, if I were a current owner of a Poly resale contract there is a 100% chance I’d be looking to sell right now.

If the new Poly tower is a different association with Riviera-like restrictions, the current Poly points are going to be in a tough spot IMO. I wouldn’t want to be left holding that bag.

Couldn’t you argue that current Poly owners are in a better position than future poly2 resale owners as Poly owners actually can use their points at other resorts (except RIV and future resorts) but new resale owners at poly2 can only use them at poly2.

Therefore poly points are more “valuable” than future poly2 resale points?

 

[wnielsen1]

I don’t think this would be possible.

The Poly 1 owners would be suing them so fast it would make their teacups spin.

Why? The Poly 1 owners would be getting the better end of the bargain, IMO.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Anyone think Poly 2 might be a separate association but direct buyers would get 11 month booking privileges at Poly 1?

Not a chance. Too complex legally.

 

[RamblinWreck]

Why? The Poly 1 owners would be getting the better end of the bargain, IMO.

Only if resale owners were also given the same perk.

The post I was responding to was specifically mentioning only direct buyers.

 

[RamblinWreck]

Couldn’t you argue that current Poly owners are in a better position than future poly2 resale owners as Poly owners actually can use their points at other resorts (except RIV and future resorts) but new resale owners at poly2 can only use them at poly2.

Therefore poly points are more “valuable” than future poly2 resale points?

You could definitely argue that about resale points.

But even then, assuming people are buying Poly because they want to stay at Poly, the tower will offer a more attractive array of villa options.


Personally, my prediction is that they aren't going to make it a separate association. But I wouldn't want to take that risk.

 

[Sandisw]

Only if resale owners were also given the same perk.

The post I was responding to was specifically mentioning only direct buyers.

At one time I thought they might be able to do a different booking window for direct vs. resale, but the more I have read, I don't think they can. And, as already stated, CCV and BRV do not have any special rules so I really would not see PVB and Poly tower done differently.

 

[Leight19]

At one time I thought they might be able to do a different booking window for direct vs. resale, but the more I have read, I don't think they can. And, as already stated, CCV and BRV do not have any special rules so I really would not see PVB and Poly tower done differently.

The way I created in my mind they could do it in theory is if they allowed direct buyers to book earlier but it’s processed as dvc management using their own home resort points to book then trading the reservation for points for non home ones. They already do a version of this today with the welcome home stay for direct buyers. Not sure what restrictions this could hit vs get around but since it’s against intent of rules I can’t see Disney ever doing it as incentive to buy direct.

 

[mort1331]

The reason I could see both the Polys being 1 Association is then those extra points will offset the glut of points for the bungalows. Giving existing members more choice and better availability overall.

 

[Sandisw]

The way I created in my mind they could do it in theory is if they allowed direct buyers to book earlier but it’s processed as dvc management using their own home resort points to book then trading the reservation for points for non home ones. They already do a version of this today with the welcome home stay for direct buyers. Not sure what restrictions this could hit vs get around but since it’s against intent of rules I can’t see Disney ever doing it as incentive to buy direct.

When someone does a welcome home visit they do not allow new owners to book a different home resort than they own more than 7 months in advance.

DVC may give those owners a room that was booked on their own points at the home resort…like giving a developer owned room at RIV for a new RIV owner,

But, DVD has to follow the same rules as everyone else when securing rooms using their own points. That is why. DVC doesn’t sell OTU points to others until 7 months out,

No matter what, only points deeded to the Poly tower…assuming it’s a new association…can be used there during the home resort booking period, however that is defined. DVD has to follow those same rules snd once the resort is sold out, DVD would only have the points it still owns…maybe 2%…to even attempt that.

There is no legal way that I can see for PvB and Poly tower to have the same booking window at either one but be different condo associations.

 

[Sandisw]

The reason I could see both the Polys being 1 Association is then those extra points will offset the glut of points for the bungalows. Giving existing members more choice and better availability overall.

It doesn’t really do that though because the total points will still be the total points, unless DVD chooses not to sell all the points declared for the new rooms, above and beyond what they are required to keep

To absorb the use of bungalow points, DVD would have to declare say 98% of the new tower into the PVB association but then only sell 90% of it to new owners so current PvB owners have more options.

Just don’t see DVD making any decisions based on it being better for current PVB owners, but not for overall sales.

If they do put it into PvB..I don’t think they will..it will be because they have the data to support it will sell better, faster and for more money, then it would as its own association. If that benefits current owners, great!

But, if they decide that a new association, with resale restrictions, and a 44 year contract to expire same as PVB, will be a better option to spark direct sales, that is what we will see, even if it is not good for those current PvB owners.

 

[Disneykate605]

I am curious and can't remember...when copper creek was 1st announced did it have the name copper creek? Or was it just announced that they would be an adding move DVC rooms to wilderness lodge and the name Copper creek was introduced later on in the process?
I personally am hoping that since they said they were adding to the Polynesian that they will be the same association. IMHO Poly is awesome and the only thing it is lacking is more room size options.

 

[mort1331]

It doesn’t really do that though because the total points will still be the total points, unless DVD chooses not to sell all the points declared for the new rooms, above and beyond what they are required to keep

To absorb the use of bungalow points, DVD would have to declare say 98% of the new tower into the PVB association but then only sell 90% of it to new owners so current PvB owners have more options.

Just don’t see DVD making any decisions based on it being better for current PVB owners, but not for overall sales.

If they do put it into PvB..I don’t think they will..it will be because they have the data to support it will sell better, faster and for more money, then it would as its own association. If that benefits current owners, great!

But, if they decide that a new association, with resale restrictions, and a 44 year contract to expire same as PVB, will be a better option to spark direct sales, that is what we will see, even if it is not good for those current PvB owners.

Sorry should have explained better,,my wife always tells me too,
Not accurate numbers.
If current poly has 1mil points and the bungalows take up 15% of them. The new tower adds 2mil points. Then the % of points allocated to the bungalows decrease to around 7%. There by not having as many points tied up as a percent and looking out of wack. Sort of clearer?