Political: To Die Hard Republicans

[jgmklmhem]

As a Republican I definately disagree with Bush's "Big Government" plans that are always out there. Although I was in support of the Homeland security department...and defense spending. I also do not like the fact he has never vetoed spending even when he has definately disagreed with that spending...but as for voting for him we weren't really left with much choice (if you are a smaller government type) whereas he might be growing the government....it is definately a much smaller growth than Kerry's plans envisioned so as in most elections it was the lesser of two evils.

 

[brerrabbit]

Brermomof2, I don't understand how you think I am non conservative. I am a conservative and feel that on certain issues Bush is not conservative enough. That was the point of my post. In answering the original posters question I was pointing out that the current parties views have all shifted left since the 1930's. The govenor of California is a Republican but as far away from conservative as you can get without claining to be a Democrat. I'm not looking to start a debate on the issue I just feel that in many ways Bush is not conservative enough.

 

[Crankyshank]

I don't think both parties have gone totally to the left. I agree that the DNC is much more to the left than it has in the past. I consider myself more libertarian than anything else, which I guess puts me at the more FDR era Democrat. However I seem to come across more and more fundamentalist Republicans that lean even more to the right than they have in the past.

 

[Teejay32]

To limit lawsuits against businesses and professionals, he is proposing to put a federal cap on damage awards for medical malpractice, to force class-action cases into federal courts and to help create a national settlement of outstanding asbestos-related cases.

one more thing: this is the most conservative-looking thing I've seen yet. No complaints.

 

[GeorgeG]

I'm a Republican and voted for Bush, but I'm not in total agreement with some of his policies and philosophies. As far as left and right go, I think we're at all-time extremes on both sides and would like to see significant moderation from both sides.

We're kind of in a pickle trying to balance domestic issues in a lousy world situation. I think that will get worse before it gets better and who is president or what party is in power won't make much difference. We need to let left and right keep each other in check and hopefully settle on some middle ground.

 

[dcentity2000]

Trouble ho!

The republican party is in essence a conservative one - minimal governmnet, minimal spending. This is indeed ironic as Bush is spending oodles on foreign wars and is expanding his Government not only in size but also in power just as (don't bite me!) Hitler did with the ability under the fog of war to inprison without trial and so on.

Although it is almost certain that his motives are not similar to Hitler, his actions so far are in many aspects pretty similar. Please note that does not by association make Bush anti-semetic, psychotic or hell bent on making his country the greatest power the world has ever seen. Well ok, maybe the last one



Rich::

 

[yeartolate]

I dismiss the theory that there are even any real Republicans left.

 

[Teejay32]

We hear that a lot. Bush is so Hitler, except he's a lot different. And if we were smart and enlightened, we'd all think so too! Alas...

 

[maleficent1959]

DH is Republican and he did not vote for Bush. My husband is fond of saying "what happened to my party?" He believes that the Republican party that he has been a member of for years is just not the same today and it saddens, and occasionally angers, him that the party has changed so much(in his opinion). Sometimes he watches the news and just shakes his head.

Of course, if McCain ran I can tell you who he would vote for.

 

[dcentity2000]

We hear that a lot. Bush is so Hitler, except he's a lot different. And if we were smart and enlightened, we'd all think so too! Alas...

Oh no, don't you dare accuse me of calling Bush the new Hitler. I said that in actions the two shared properties and they do - both increased the power of their Government, both had punishment without trials. On those two facts, you cannot deny that the two do not share borders.

But at no point did I even imply that Bush is what Hitler was - a psychotic aggressive dictator.



Rich::

 

[GeorgeG]

DH is Republican and he did not vote for Bush. My husband is fond of saying "what happened to my party?" He believes that the Republican party that he has been a member of for years is just not the same today and it saddens, and occasionally angers, him that the party has changed so much(in his opinion). Sometimes he watches the news and just shakes his head.

Of course, if McCain ran I can tell you who he would vote for.

John McCain... now there's a candidate worth looking at. He seems to have a good mix of views and doesn't need to be evasive about his military record.

 

[Teejay32]

Oh no, don't you dare accuse me of calling Bush the new Hitler. I said that in actions the two shared properties and they do - both increased the power of their Government, both had punishment without trials. On those two facts, you cannot deny that the two do not share borders.

we do hear often that there are similarities between Hitler and Bush, and I find it hard to believe it's just an academic exercise for most people, so don't even bother. Can you name a ruler of a sovereign country who, upon having seen a major attack on the home front, did not increase the power of his own government and detain people suspected of involvement or support? (Assuming this is what you mean by punishment without trial.) I can't.

 

[dcentity2000]

I can't think of a leader who did it to the same degree except for Bush. That's the point. It's huge.

The 'no trial' part is the important part. Bush, Stalin, Hitler and a few others share this and motives aside, that'll never look good for Bush as the innocent in the list of devils.

The closest parallel I can think of is the British "guilty until proven innocent" war with the IRA, the difference being that Britain knew who the multiple attacks were coming from and that there was no widespread inprisonment without trial.

So no, don't dare try to herd me into some ludicrous viewpoint that you appoint ot all contrary debators. I won't suffer it in silence.



Rich::

 

[Teejay32]

I see. Well, Bush's opposition certainly gets a lot of mileage out of the plight of the detainees, including lumping him in with the world's worst mass-murderers at the drop of a hat. There, is that better?

 

[puggymom]

I consider myself a conservative but not a Republican. I did vote for Bush because compared to Kerry he is conservative. Many conservative voters did complain about Bush moving to the center and threatened not to vote at all. There are Democrats that I would vote for. Long before the RNC convention this year, I said I would vote for Zell Miller in a heart beat, especially if he ran against a Republican like Arlen Spector or Olympia Snowe. While I disagree with Bush on many things (increasing gov't being one), there are many things I do strongly agree with. I don't think there is anyone that will 100% agree with a certain politician, there will always be points that you diagree on, no matter how much you like the candidate.

 

[WWTBAMFAN]

The torture of prisoners in cuba by Bush is a black mark for the US that will be difficult to live down. We are now a country that uses torture for political purposes. In addition, we have disregarded the Geneva Convention. I am so thankful that the Supreme Court rejected Bush's position that the detainees in Cuba was not subject to the jurisdiciton of the US courts and that a couple of US courts have held that Bush was violating the Geneva Convention.

Bush's actions has increased the danger for our service men in all future conflicts becuase we can not expect other countries to follow the Geneva Conventions when we violated these conventions.

 

[Planogirl]

I'm impressed to see Conservatives posting their opinions about Bush and admitting that they don't agree with all of his policies. That's good discussion IMO.

As for the detainees, this is one of current policies that bothers me the most. I keep telling myself that my country is "better than that" but apparently it isn't. Innocent until proven guilty is an extremely important concept to me and applies to all people in my view. I hope that this situation can be resolved in some manner while still keeping the illusion of safety intact.

 

[Puffy2]

I did not vote for Bill Clinton (I voted for Dole) I did not vote for Gore (I voted for Bush), I did vote for Kerry in 2004.

Bill Clinton left office and handed over a 200 Billion dollar plus SURPLUS to Bush.
In one term, Bush drove that into a 450 Billion dollar DEBT. His new budget projects a 520 Billion dollar DEBT.

Who is the fiscal conservative in this picture?

And when will "conservative" people wake up and pay more attention to what their representatives in government are DOING and focus less on lables and slander???