Political: Iraqi Soccer Players Mad About Bush Ad

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Maybe Rove should have, you know, made sure these guys would have supported the idea before using them in a campaign commercial :rotfl:
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Unwilling participants
Iraqi soccer players angered by Bush campaign ads featuring team
Posted: Thursday August 19, 2004 12:50PM; Updated: Thursday August 19, 2004 1:28PM

PATRAS, Greece -- Iraqi midfielder Salih Sadir scored a goal here on Wednesday night, setting off a rousing celebration among the 1,500 Iraqi soccer supporters at Pampeloponnisiako Stadium. Though Iraq -- the surprise team of the Olympics -- would lose to Morocco 2-1, it hardly mattered as the Iraqis won Group D with a 2-1 record and now face Australia in the quarterfinals on Sunday.

Afterward, Sadir had a message for U.S. president George W. Bush, who is using the Iraqi Olympic team in his latest re-election campaign advertisements.

In those spots, the flags of Iraq and Afghanistan appear as a narrator says, "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations -- and two fewer terrorist regimes."

"Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself."

Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told me. "He has committed so many crimes."

The Bush campaign was contacted about the Iraqi soccer player's statements, but has yet to respond.

To a man, members of the Iraqi Olympic delegation say they are glad that former Olympic committee head Uday Hussein, who was responsible for the serial torture of Iraqi athletes and was killed four months after the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in March 2003, is no longer in power.

But they also find it offensive that Bush is using their team for his own gain when they do not support his administration's actions in Iraq. "My problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?"

At a speech in Beaverton, Ore., last Friday, Bush attached himself to the Iraqi soccer team after its opening-game upset of Portugal. "The image of the Iraqi soccer team playing in this Olympics, it's fantastic, isn't it?" Bush said. "It wouldn't have been free if the United States had not acted."

Sadir, Wednesday's goal-scorer, used to be the star player for the professional soccer team in Najaf. In the city in which 20,000 fans used to fill the stadium and chant Sadir's name, U.S. and Iraqi forces have battled loyalists to rebel cleric Moktada al-Sadr for the past two weeks. Najaf lies in ruins.

"I want the violence and the war to go away from the city," says Sadir, 21. "We don't wish for the presence of Americans in our country. We want them to go away."

Manajid, 22, who nearly scored his own goal with a driven header on Wednesday, hails from the city of Fallujah. He says coalition forces killed Manajid's cousin, Omar Jabbar al-Aziz, who was fighting as an insurgent, and several of his friends. In fact, Manajid says, if he were not playing soccer he would "for sure" be fighting as part of the resistance.

"I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" Manajid says. "Everyone [in Fallujah] has been labeled a terrorist. These are all lies. Fallujah people are some of the best people in Iraq."

Everyone agrees that Iraq's soccer team is one of the Olympics' most remarkable stories. If the Iraqis beat Australia on Saturday -- which is entirely possible, given their performance so far -- they would reach the semifinals. Three of the four semifinalists will earn medals, a prospect that seemed unthinkable for Iraq before this tournament.

When the Games are over, though, Coach Hamad says, they will have to return home to a place where they fear walking the streets. "The war is not secure," says Hamad, 43. "Many people hate America now. The Americans have lost many people around the world--and that is what is happening in America also."
 
:bounce:
Didn't want this to get lost just yet :teeth:
 
Just an off-track question. How Exactly does one pronounce this:

Pampeloponnisiako Stadium :confused:

tricia.
 

I think its important to note that under Uday, the Iraqi soccer team suffered greatly after coming home with a loss. These players know what can happen when they are treated as political pawns. They don't want to go there again.
 
Originally posted by battricia
Just an off-track question. How Exactly does one pronounce this:

Pampeloponnisiako Stadium :confused:

tricia.

You pronounce it "the soccer stadium" ;)
 
The Iraqi Olympic Soccer team disses President Bush on international TV! Bet that went over well in Karl Rove's office.
 
Originally posted by KarenC
I think its important to note that under Uday, the Iraqi soccer team suffered greatly after coming home with a loss. These players know what can happen when they are treated as political pawns. They don't want to go there again.

Perfectly stated.
 
I think this quote says it all...

Sadir, Wednesday's goal-scorer, used to be the star player for the professional soccer team in Najaf. In the city in which 20,000 fans used to fill the stadium and chant Sadir's name, U.S. and Iraqi forces have battled loyalists to rebel cleric Moktada al-Sadr for the past two weeks. Najaf lies in ruins.

Iraq is only under such siege in like 5% of the country. It just so happens he comes from there. Were he from, say, Basra, I bet his opinion would differ.
 
I think you might have a valid point there Jason..


But I also think the over-all point is that Bush's people used the team as a political prop without considering or obviously asking what they thought about it. . .


I won't immediately trash them for this; while unlikely based on their past history it is at least possible Rove and Co. just didn't stop and consider the feelings of the soccer players and now that they know them they'll respect their feelings and edit out their image or stop running the ad. . .

If they don't, I'll have a few things to say though. .
 
How about we just let SH and all his goons go free and they can pick up where they left off? :rolleyes:
 
But he was pretty glad when Uday Hussein was killed, right? And who did that??? Oh that's right...the USA & our allies!!!!!

The Iraqis didn't take their freedom into their own hands until what country got there? Oh, that's right...the USA & our allies!!!!!

So we were good enough to get rid of the guys no one liked, but now we should get out.:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Disney Doll
But he was pretty glad when Uday Hussein was killed, right? And who did that??? Oh that's right...the USA & our allies!!!!!

The Iraqis didn't take their freedom into their own hands until what country got there? Oh, that's right...the USA & our allies!!!!!

So we were good enough to get rid of the guys no one liked, but now we should get out.:rolleyes:

Methinks you have decided, eh Disney Doll.
It's this man's country, after all the discussion about first
amendment here and Iraqis being free, does he NOT have
the right to speak his mind? Is it our right to use him OR
truly give him dignity and credit for HIS accomplishments without
claiming them as ours. HE IS THE ONE WHO ENDURED THE TORTURE UNDER HUSSEIN. LET HIM SPEAK.
 
I am so glad that this man is free to speak his mind now. Of course he sees the U.S. as an invader and I can imagine that he and other team members have lost family and friends in the war. It'll be a great day when the U.S. can leave Iraq and let them rule themselves.
 
Originally posted by wvrevy
Maybe Rove should have, you know, made sure these guys would have supported the idea before using them in a campaign commercial :rotfl:
----------------------------
Unwilling participants
Iraqi soccer players angered by Bush campaign ads featuring team
Posted: Thursday August 19, 2004 12:50PM; Updated: Thursday August 19, 2004 1:28PM

PATRAS, Greece -- Iraqi midfielder Salih Sadir scored a goal here on Wednesday night, setting off a rousing celebration among the 1,500 Iraqi soccer supporters at Pampeloponnisiako Stadium. Though Iraq -- the surprise team of the Olympics -- would lose to Morocco 2-1, it hardly mattered as the Iraqis won Group D with a 2-1 record and now face Australia in the quarterfinals on Sunday.

Afterward, Sadir had a message for U.S. president George W. Bush, who is using the Iraqi Olympic team in his latest re-election campaign advertisements.

In those spots, the flags of Iraq and Afghanistan appear as a narrator says, "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations -- and two fewer terrorist regimes."

"Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself."

Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told me. "He has committed so many crimes."

The Bush campaign was contacted about the Iraqi soccer player's statements, but has yet to respond.

To a man, members of the Iraqi Olympic delegation say they are glad that former Olympic committee head Uday Hussein, who was responsible for the serial torture of Iraqi athletes and was killed four months after the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in March 2003, is no longer in power.

But they also find it offensive that Bush is using their team for his own gain when they do not support his administration's actions in Iraq. "My problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?"

At a speech in Beaverton, Ore., last Friday, Bush attached himself to the Iraqi soccer team after its opening-game upset of Portugal. "The image of the Iraqi soccer team playing in this Olympics, it's fantastic, isn't it?" Bush said. "It wouldn't have been free if the United States had not acted."

Sadir, Wednesday's goal-scorer, used to be the star player for the professional soccer team in Najaf. In the city in which 20,000 fans used to fill the stadium and chant Sadir's name, U.S. and Iraqi forces have battled loyalists to rebel cleric Moktada al-Sadr for the past two weeks. Najaf lies in ruins.

"I want the violence and the war to go away from the city," says Sadir, 21. "We don't wish for the presence of Americans in our country. We want them to go away."

Manajid, 22, who nearly scored his own goal with a driven header on Wednesday, hails from the city of Fallujah. He says coalition forces killed Manajid's cousin, Omar Jabbar al-Aziz, who was fighting as an insurgent, and several of his friends. In fact, Manajid says, if he were not playing soccer he would "for sure" be fighting as part of the resistance.

"I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" Manajid says. "Everyone [in Fallujah] has been labeled a terrorist. These are all lies. Fallujah people are some of the best people in Iraq."

Everyone agrees that Iraq's soccer team is one of the Olympics' most remarkable stories. If the Iraqis beat Australia on Saturday -- which is entirely possible, given their performance so far -- they would reach the semifinals. Three of the four semifinalists will earn medals, a prospect that seemed unthinkable for Iraq before this tournament.

When the Games are over, though, Coach Hamad says, they will have to return home to a place where they fear walking the streets. "The war is not secure," says Hamad, 43. "Many people hate America now. The Americans have lost many people around the world--and that is what is happening in America also."


You poor thing, nothing better to do with your time?:rolleyes:
 
I believe the focus of a political campaign shouldn't be singling out a specific group of Iraq's for political gain. Especially while the fighting continues, innocent lives are still being loss, Iraq's and American's.

If you want to focus on something, focus on the problems of our country. Health care, the cost of perscription drugs, our dependency on foreign fuel, what we are doing to make our boarders safe, jobs for all Americans, our war or drugs, clean air and water and safe streets. Things that will improve the quality of life in America and still be tough on terror.
 












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