Political: Iraqi Soccer Players Mad About Bush Ad

Originally posted by Jimbo
But that was a fortunate diversion for you, OTOH. It let you avoid addressing all of your misstatements on this thread.

That's a risk you run when you actually say something....
Perhaps you can see a positive side to murdering innocent people, but I cannot.



Newsflash...As I type this I'm watching bush, who of course, is still hiding out at the ranch (I mean really, just how long is it going to take him to practice his RNC speech>??)...at any rate, what do you think he's making mention of?

The Iraqi soccer players. And, I've heard him twice talking about them in particular in his speeches.


At any rate, rather than be a swift liar wannabee and just tossing out accusations, why don't you post exactly what "mistatements" I've made on this thread?

The closest you're going to come is where I said "their images". I consider the Iraqi flag to be "theirs", not ours. So that won't wash.
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Anything else, anything at all?
 
Originally posted by peachgirl



Newsflash...As I type this I'm watching bush, who of course, is still hiding out at the ranch (I mean really, just how long is it going to take him to practice his RNC speech>??)...at any rate, what do you think he's making mention of?

The Iraqi soccer players. And, I've heard him twice talking about them in particular in his speeches.


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Anything else, anything at all?

Why don't you put this into context instead of just taking pathetic cheap shots (hiding out at the ranch).

He was specifically asked by a reporter if he was watching the Olympics and when he said yes, he was asked what he was enjoying about them. He named the Iraqi soccer players and several other sports. Probably the same answer you'd get from millions of other Americans.
 
Originally posted by peachgirl
At any rate, rather than be a swift liar wannabee and just tossing out accusations, why don't you post exactly what "mistatements" I've made on this thread?
I had several nice replies typed in and sent, only to get errors from the DIS server. So here's just one:
The impression is that those actors playing athletes are Iraqi's.

I'm sure if he could've gotten some real Iraqi's to be in the ad, he would have, but since they want no part of it, he used actors.
No one who saw the ad would have come away with that impression. No one.
 
No one who saw the ad would have come away with that impression. No one.

What are you, the self proclaimed authority on the impression the Bush campaign meant to give with their commercial?

Of course someone could, at least if we're talking about the same ad. You know, it's not difficult to see the ad, it's on their website, so I most certainly have watched it and I say that's exactly what impression it leaves me and others.

http://georgebush.com/News/MultiMedia/Player.aspx?ID=984&T=2&PT=hiwmp

In the ad, they show 2 swimmers in action with 2 flags below them. The narrator speaks of 2 more democracies.

I'll allow that not everyone gets the same impression, but your claim that this is an example of one of a number of mis-statements is abolutely ridiculous. The impression one gets from an ad is a matter of opinion and up to each person...not a statement of fact.

all of your misstatements on this thread.

Not that I concede that was a misstatement, but even if I did...where are "ALL" the others???? And exactly how many mis-statements did I make?

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Hey, no problem. I'm sure someone will step forward and say that they thought it was the Iraqi swimming team. That they were fooled by "those actors playing athletes are Iraqi's." Anyone? Bueller? That WAS a misstatement.

As for others, we could start with when you called me a "a swift liar wannabee." I guess the best defense is a good offense. Particularly when you have no defense.
 
Originally posted by Jimbo


As for others, we could start with when you called me a "a swift liar wannabee." I guess the best defense is a good offense. Particularly when you have no defense.


That's another one that is pure opinion. Apparently I was right, you have nothing to back up your claim that I made "all" those mis-statements.

So, until you can actually come up with one, I'm not playing your little diversionary game any more.

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We're discussing the use of the Iraq and Afghanistan flags and the use of the Iraqi's playing soccer in order to further Bush's political agenda.
No soccer players were shown or mentioned in the ad.
They don't want their team associated with a Bush ad, then he ought to stop it.
They weren't associated with the ad.
 
Originally posted by danacara
Perhaps not the Iraqi people at large, but the soccer team certainly should be, for their all-expenses paid junket to Greece.

Dear Iraqi Soccer players,

I am sorry in the quest for WMD we happened to kill many of your friends , neighbors, and family. Sorry about so many homes and places of business left in ruins. But here is a trip to Greece - so we are square, right?




This is obviously overy simplistic view of the situation, but it is obvious that most Americans couldn't imagine what they are going through. It is also entirely possible the soccer players might feel a truckload of guilt - they are almost like the "chosen ones" while many of their countrymen are nursing major war injuries, rebuilding their homes and businesses, all the while under scrutiny of being terrorists because they may not perceive
that we did them that big of a favor.



Pardon me while I don my flameproof suit.
 
Originally posted by Jimbo
Wow, did this thread go off topic! In case you've forgotten, here's the OP: "Those guys" aren't in the commercial. There aren't any Iraqi athletes in the commercial. No one who saw the commercial could possibly think that there were any Iraqi athletes in the commercial.

This whole thing is nothing more than a particularly misguided attempt at Bush bashing.
That about sums it up.

The ruckus over this ad and the Swift Boat Veterans' ads only serves to highlight the hypocrisy.

One ad, an ad that was an attempt to be "positive" or "feel-good", is taken apart and used to tie to this larger truth about Bush.

But it's "irrelevant" to try to tie the ethics in question to a larger truth about ethics in general. It's only relevant if it fits in with proving Bush to be bad.

Let's see, Michael Moore puts out a movie full of lies and distortions and misleading clips--but don't criticize it unless you've seen it.

That doesn't stop the same people from criticizing the Swift Boat Vets, even though they haven't read "Unfit For Command". I'm sure it's not relevant.

The Swift Boat vets should be condemned by Bush and asked to pull the ad, because they're untruthful. But people should see Michael Moore's movie and make up their own minds regarding its truthfulness. Somehow, people don't see the relevance. Somehow, people don't see that, hellooooo...this is what we've been saying about Michael Moore's movie.

Nope, it's irrelevant. Some people think that these things presented in Moore's movie should be investigated further, these are disturbing allegations after all. But any suggestion that the vets' allegations should be considered the least little bit for further investigation, there's just no hearing that.

All people are saying is, this is what we were talking about, do you get it now?

Sorry, but the silence was deafening from some on those issues and it's absolutely fair to ask about it now--and refusing to answer behind the mask of relevancy is pretty transparent.
 
Originally posted by kbeverina
That about sums it up.

The ruckus over this ad and the Swift Boat Veterans' ads only serves to highlight the hypocrisy.

One ad, an ad that was an attempt to be "positive" or "feel-good", is taken apart and used to tie to this larger truth about Bush.

But it's "irrelevant" to try to tie the ethics in question to a larger truth about ethics in general. It's only relevant if it fits in with proving Bush to be bad.

Let's see, Michael Moore puts out a movie full of lies and distortions and misleading clips--but don't criticize it unless you've seen it.

That doesn't stop the same people from criticizing the Swift Boat Vets, even though they haven't read "Unfit For Command". I'm sure it's not relevant.

The Swift Boat vets should be condemned by Bush and asked to pull the ad, because they're untruthful. But people should see Michael Moore's movie and make up their own minds regarding its truthfulness. Somehow, people don't see the relevance. Somehow, people don't see that, hellooooo...this is what we've been saying about Michael Moore's movie.

Nope, it's irrelevant. Some people think that these things presented in Moore's movie should be investigated further, these are disturbing allegations after all. But any suggestion that the vets' allegations should be considered the least little bit for further investigation, there's just no hearing that.

All people are saying is, this is what we were talking about, do you get it now?

Sorry, but the silence was deafening from some on those issues and it's absolutely fair to ask about it now--and refusing to answer behind the mask of relevancy is pretty transparent.

Great summation!
 
Let's see, Michael Moore puts out a movie full of lies and distortions and misleading clips--but don't criticize it unless you've seen it.

Just in case you're talking about me...Please, go back and find one single solitary post where I ever said you needed to see the MM film to discuss it. IT NEVER HAPPENED.

In fact, you'll find I had very little to say about the MM film at all. I won't guarantee that I never defended him, but I know my comments regarding the film and it's accuracy are very limited if not non-existent. I'm just too tired to do a search to confirm it one way or the other for sure.

So, that argument won't wash as far as I'm concerned.

In truth, I believe the MM was too extreme. I think he took some very disturbing truths and over dramatized them to the point of being ridiculous.

I also don't believe you need to see the film or read the book to be able to intelligently discuss it. There's plenty of information available about both.

I can't imagine giving those liars a dime of my money and I wouldn't expect anyone who dislikes MM as intensely as I dislike the swift liars to give him a dime of theirs.

Btw, haven't seen the MM film and probably won't.

So, that argument won't wash as far as I'm concerned.
 
I was making a general observation. If I was talking about you specifically, I would have addressed the post to you and/or quoted you.
 
Originally posted by kbeverina
I was making a general observation. If I was talking about you specifically, I would have addressed the post to you and/or quoted you.

Oh good, because that would have been twice today that I was told how I supported and defended MM and his movie.
 












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