Political: Complaint against Bush campaign filed with FEC

[peachgirl]

Personally, I find it very disturbing that Kerry is trying to et the book banned, or if he can't stop the publisher, then he's asking bookstores not to carry it. Last I check, this was America, we had free speech, and intelligent people can have differing opinions. People on the left keep saying Bush will take away our freedoms, but I don't see that from him--I do see it with Kerry.

Then you'd say the same about Bush if he tried to get a book banned?

BostonTigger-- Since you agree, you'd also agree how absolutely disturbing it would be if Bush did the same thing?

Where's the proof in these acusations, wvrevy?

Why it's the same quality proof that the SBVT have...someone said it, therefore, it must be true. Heck, we even have a flyer..paperwork that proves it!

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by cati
Busted: Dont think so. They have to prove it first. Anyone could have put it there. To discredit Bush - they would have to have HIS fingerprints on it. I dont think that is going to happen. He is not responsible for everything everyone else does - only his OWN actions. Just like Kerry is not responsible for everything his campaigners are doing. Sorry, this is just going to be another whoopdi doo situation.

Not true. He is responsible for everything his campaign does. He didn't have to be the one to physically put the flyer in the campaign headquarters...not even close.


Tell ya' what...let's fully investigate this like the Republicans want to do with SBVT. Let's throw as many charges out there as we can and see if any of them stick.

Sounds fair to me!

 

[Bobbles]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Not true. He is responsible for everything his campaign does. He didn't have to be the one to physically put the flyer in the campaign headquarters...not even close.


Tell ya' what...let's fully investigate this like the Republicans want to do with SBVT. Let's throw as many charges out there as we can and see if any of them stick.

Sounds fair to me!

Well said !

 

[cati]

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[peachgirl]

Originally posted by cati
Maybe in YOUR eyes he is responsible and guilty, but in the court of law he is NOT responsible for every republican election office out there. Now IF he was the one who physically put it there, then yes, he would be guilty. I have worked in the legal field (before this job) for 12 years and my DH is a police officer and I think we know the law a little bit.

I think this is just another complaint that has already been copied millions of times in the past, that in the end, it will be thrown out and said - all is fair in love and war - same as election time.

I don't care how many years you've worked in the legal field or if your husband is a police officer. FEC rules and regulations are not the same as civil or criminal law.

You're simply wrong.

 

[peachgirl]

I think we know the law a little bit

Maybe, but you apparently aren't familiar with FEC regulations.

I found the article that addresses this. As you can clearly see...Bush doesn't have to even have to have had knowledge that the flyer was being distributed by his campaign. To say that he had to be the one that walked in there and laid it on the table is laughable.

"What does it take to prove coordination under the FEC rules?"

"To prove, for example, that an outside group’s ad was coordinated with a candidate’s campaign, any one of the following is required, according to FEC spokesman Bob Biersack:





The ad being aired by the group was broadcast at the request or suggestion of the candidate, his campaign or an agent of the campaign.

The group suggested the ad and the candidate or his agent assented to the ad, for example, by saying something such as, “That sounds like a good idea to me.”

The candidate or his agent was materially involved in decisions about the content of the ad, the times and places where it would air, the medium used, etc.

The ad was aired after what the FEC calls “substantial discussion” between the person or outside group paying for the ad and the campaign. If, for example, a campaign manager said to the head of a 527 group, “Over the next two weeks, our campaign’s ads will focus on the loss of textile jobs in this state,” and the outside group then ran its own ads buttressing that message, it would be coordination."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5772722/

You're wrong.


Interestingly enough, the Bush campaign filed their own complaint back in March. I'm sure you think that one is as baseless as Kerry's, right?

 

[Gary M]

I know the libs have no sense of humor when it comes to Kerry, but here is a quote from Conan O'Brien:

"Shrek 2 made more than $128 million in its first week. In a related story, John Kerry asked Shrek to marry him."

 

[bsnyder]

So where is there any proof, in the flyer or otherwise, that any of those 4 things took place?

Interestingly enough, the Bush campaign filed their own complaint back in March. I'm sure you think that one is as baseless as Kerry's, right?

Politics is full of ironic situations, isn't it?

 

[cati]

I edited this because I have listed the website page below.

See one does not have to look far to find an article that can be just as bad as another article but for the opposing party.

And yes, I do realize that criminal and civil law is different than FEC rules. I am not stupid. But in my opinion all of these charges will be long forgotten in the long run. JMHO.

 

[peachgirl]

See one does not have to look far to find an article that disproves another article.

I'm sorry, but you chopped that article to pieces cutting and pasting tidbits until it made absolutely no sense to me.

Think you might post a link so I can read all of it and not just the tidbits you choose?

I don't see what that disproves as far as FEC reg. go. I only said that you were wrong when you claimed that they'd have to have Bush's fingerprints on a flyer to prove that he was involved. You were wrong, that's not all that tough to admit, is it?

Politics is full of ironic situations, isn't it?

So why don't you level some of your disgust in a more bi-partisan manner?

 

[cati]

I did not chop and choose, I dont know how to use the quote button above to insert the whole article so that it does not leave out anything. I can not get it to work.

But, anyway, here is the website: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/21/110452.shtml

So why don't you level some of your disgust in a more bi-partisan manner?

I would talk!!!

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Having spent some time in Gainesville (GO GATORS!), I am just surprised there is a republican headquarters there.

Seriously, I guess the SBVT are visiting Gainesville and somehow the flyer showed up there. I don't know enough to comment on FEC rules, I am surprised so many understand the letter of the law on this one.

Edited cuz I can't type.

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by peachgirl


So why don't you level some of your disgust in a more bi-partisan manner?

I did just that on the other thread.

Ball's in your court now!

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by cati




I would talk!!!

I wasn't talking to you with that comment and you, once again have no idea what you're talking about.

For your information, that line I posted was a direct quote of bsnyders.

 

[cati]

Ok, I am totally lost. There must be two conversations going on at the same time. Sorry, if I jumped in wrong.

 

[katerkat]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
whatever you think of Michael Moore's movie, he was careful not pt put anything in the movie that would be defamatory in the legal sense. nasty, perhaps. opinionated, definitely. suggestive of wrongdoing, maybe. but not defamatory -- knowingly publishing a falsehood.

Then why is Moore being sued by the Pantagraph for changing the date of a headline used? Not to mention editing the size and font to make it look like a news headline? Sounds like knowingly publishing a falsehood to me.

(Oh, and the link, of course - http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/081204/new_20040812033.shtml)

 

[GarrettJD]

I work in a bookstore, for a major book chain. Whether or not the Kerry campaign asks us to stop carrying the book doesn't matter-- we WILL carry it.

We carry books on all sides of the political spectrum-- from liberal authors like Michael Moore, Al Franken, Molly Ivins, etc., to conservative authors like Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Ann Coulter.

Although I am a liberal and a Kerry supporter, as long as we have customers who want Unfit For Command, we will sell it to them.

The only reason that we don't have it right now is that we're sold out-- demand is too great. We're issuing rain checks and chasing after more copies, but demand is seriously outstripping supply. I don't think the publishers printed enough on their initial run.