Political: Bushisms (Including a brand new one)

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by Loftus
And what do the views of the Swiftboat vets have to do with President Bush mis-speaking?

Ouch....

 

[palmtreegirl]

Just a note- On Anderson Cooper he reported that the Bush camp said that Bush "has never and will never question John Kerry's service in Vietnam" in response to the new commercials by the anti Kerry vets.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by palmtreegirl
Just a note- On Anderson Cooper he reported that the Bush camp said that Bush "has never and will never question John Kerry's service in Vietnam" in response to the new commercials by the anti Kerry vets.

Good for them, I'm glad to see they are taking the high road on this one.

 

[WDWHound]

Originally posted by Loftus
And what do the views of the Swiftboat vets have to do with President Bush mis-speaking?

Noting at all, but I was responding to a post that was already on the thread by wvrevy. The posts I called into wquestion were not were the first mention of the topic.

 

[Loftus]

Originally posted by WDWHound
Noting at all, but I was responding to a post that was already on the thread by wvrevy. The posts I called into wquestion were not were the first mention of the topic.

Nothing wrong with that at all.

The Swiftboat crews attacks on Kerry were initially a reposte to the posting of the President's faux pas. They had no relevance to the OP. Bringing up the President's service record also has no relevance to the OP but if one is justified then so is the other.

 

[we3luvdisney]

In 1997, Kerry Questioned Size Of Intelligence Community. “Now that [the Cold War] struggle is over, why is it that our vast intelligence apparatus continues to grow …” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 5/1/97, p. S3891)

In 1995, Kerry Proposed Bill To Gut $1.5 Billion From Overall Intelligence Budget, Not Specific Programs. Kerry introduced a bill that would “reduce the Intelligence budget by $300 million in each of fiscal years 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, and 2000.” There were no cosponsors of Kerry’s 1995 bill, which never made it to the floor for a vote. (S. 1290, Introduced 9/29/95)

In 1994, Kerry Proposed Bill To Gut $1 Billion From Intelligence And Freeze Intelligence Spending. Kerry proposed a bill cutting $1 billion from the budgets of the National Foreign Intelligence Program and from Tactical Intelligence, and freezing their budgets. (S. 1826, Introduced 2/3/1994)

In 1994, Kerry Proposed And Voted To Cut $1 Billion From Intelligence. Kerry proposed cutting $1 billion from the budgets of the National Foreign Intelligence Program and from Tactical Intelligence, and freezing their budgets. The amendment was soundly defeated. (S. Amdt. 1452, Introduced 2/9/94; H.R. 3759, CQ Vote #39: Rejected 20-75: R 3-37; D 17-38, 2/10/94, Kerry Voted Yea)

 

[peachgirl]

Where's that "yawn" smiley when I need it?

 

[Samsara]

How about...

 

[Samsara]

Or...

Or my favorite...

 

[we3luvdisney]

These may bore you too:

Kerry's Record on National Security

1. 1984 In campaigns for the Senate, vowed to cancel the B-1 bomber, B-2 stealth bomber, AH-64 Apache helicopter, F-15 fighter, and the AV-8B Harrier.

2. 1984 Campaigned against key missile systems: Patriot, Aegis, and Trident.

3. 1985 to 1994 Voted 38 times to cut defense budget.

4. 1990 to 1996 Voted 12 times against pay increases for military personnel.

5. 1993 Introduced plan to cut number of submarines, light infantry units, fighter wings, and to terminate the Navy mine-hunting ship program.

6. 1994 Voted to gut intelligence budget by $6 billion over four years.

7. 1995 Tried again to slash intelligence budget, introducing bill to cut $300 million per year though 2000.

8. 2002 Initially voted against creation of the Homeland Security Department, siding with labor unions upset about plans to hire private security workers. Later, voted to back it.

9. 2003 Voted against $87 billion needed to fund troops in Iraq through this year.

10.2003 Skipped vote on $29 billion Homeland Security funding.

 

[we3luvdisney]

Some more wonderful reading:


John 'Flapjack' Kerry
By: Kevin McCullough
Posted: March 19, 2004

The "mystery" of which foreign leaders are "endorsing" John Kerry continues to elude the public (as well as Kerry himself). For the record Kerry is big in socialist countries. The two foreign leaders that have "gone public" endorsing him are Kim Jong-Il of North Korea, as well as the newly elected terrorist-appeasing socialist Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero of Spain.

But "Flapjack" Kerry has gotten a tad testy over the issue. The fact that he made up the assertion aside, he finds it annoying that people keep hounding him about it. He even told a voter attending his town hall meeting in Pennsylvania, that it was "none of his (the voter's) business as to who the 'foreign leaders' were that he had met with." Talk about hospitality. This remarkable act of good will was followed by much finger pointing and irritated lecturing of said voter – also excellent goodwill campaign techniques.

Kerry is bothered by the reality he has created. That is, he cooks on one side until the heat gets too hot then he flips. But it seems that when John F. Kerry has his "Flapjack" attributes highlighted, he also has a slight temper. Unfortunately for him, the early and all too easy primary did not help him prepare for the true test of a presidential campaign. And it's starting to show.

When a liberal lacks substance, he must manipulate facts or imagine them. He must also ask people to believe him in spite of the facts. Telling off voters for asking you to substantiate a claim that you know you made up is infuriating – thus, why "Flapjack" found himself ridiculing the poor man. But the week didn't get any easier for Kerry as it went on.

On Wednesday, Kerry trying to defend himself against the charge that he had voted against supplying body armor for the troops in Iraq said, "I actually did vote for the 87 billion dollars before I voted against it."

OK, maybe he believes Americans are lemmings. Maybe we lack the "grace" or "sophistication" of the brie-stuffing, merlot-chugging French, but even the les incompetents, know that sounds ridiculous.

As Vice President Cheney pointed out on Wednesday, "Kerry voted against body armor for troops when he opposed the $87 billion emergency supplemental bill to pay for operations and reconstruction in Iraq that was passed in October last year."

But speaking to an audience after wrapping up the Democratic nomination with his win in Illinois, Kerry said, "I can tell you right now: In a Kerry administration, no one will be getting body armor as a gift from a loved one – it will come from the Armed Forces of the United States of America. We will supply our troops with everything they need."

John "Flapjack" Kerry also took differing tones and positions on Iraq – all in one 24-hour span.

"Flapjack" – the appeaser – said:

We are still bogged down in Iraq and the administration stubbornly holds to failed policies ... What we have seen is a steady loss of lives and mounting cost in dollars with no end in sight. The lesson here is fundamental: At times, conflict comes, and the decision must be made. For a president, the decision may be lonely, but that does not mean that America should go it alone.

Hours later, following the deadly bombing of 12 Iraqis in Baghdad, "Flapjack" – the "fighter" – released a written statement:

The United States must send a strong message that these cowardly acts will only strengthen our resolve ... We must make it clear to all that now is the time to come together to fight our common enemies.

A day in the life of John "Flapjack" Kerry is certainly difficult for his campaign spokespersons to keep track of ...

"Let's see ... note to campaign staff ... have Howard Dean link Bush to Spain bombings at our press conference."

Hours later ...

"Bad idea ... release statement saying 'it's not our position' ..."

Trying to make cohesive sense of what John Kerry's message intends is like reading a book beginning with page one and alternating every other page with the end of the book and working your way toward the middle. I guess you could figure it all out – but the effort it would take would be far more trouble than its worth.

 

[we3luvdisney]

Wow, information all the way back to 1990.

June 2003
Kerry Said “It Would Be Irresponsible … To Draw Conclusions” That Suggest President Misled On WMD. ABC’S GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: “I know you said you’re agnostic about whether or not he misled the public on weapons of mass destruction. But do you have a hunch on whether you think they hyped the intelligence?” KERRY: “George, again, I think it would be irresponsible of me at this point to draw conclusions prior to all the evidence being on the table.” (ABC’s “This Week,” 6/15/03)

March 2003
As War Began, Kerry Said Saddam Chose “To Make Military Force The Ultimate Weapons Inspections Enforcement Mechanism.” “Senator John F. Kerry … had lambasted Bush’s diplomatic efforts, despite voting last fall in support of a congressional resolution authorizing military action to disarm Iraq of any weapons of mass destruction. ‘It appears that with the deadline for exile come and gone, Saddam Hussein has chosen to make military force the ultimate weapons inspections enforcement mechanism,’ Kerry said.” (Glen Johnson, “Critics Of Bush Voice Support For The Troops,” The Boston Globe, 3/20/03)

Kerry Said Saddam Hussein’s WMD “Are A Threat.” “I think Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction are a threat, and that’s why I voted to hold him accountable and to make certain that we disarm him. I think we need to …” (NPR’s “All Things Considered,” 3/19/03)

February 2003
Kerry Said Leaving Saddam Hussein “Unfettered With Nuclear Weapons Or Weapons Of Mass Destruction Is Unacceptable.” (Jill Lawrence, “War Issue Challenges Democratic Candidates,” USA Today, 2/12/03)

Kerry Described Secretary Of State Colin Powell’s Evidence Of WMD In Iraq As “Real And Compelling.” “[Kerry] said the Bush administration has taken too long to make its case for military action, ‘but nonetheless I am glad we’ve reached this moment in our diplomacy.’ Kerry added: ‘Convincing evidence of Saddam Hussein’s possession of weapons of mass destruction should trigger, I believe, a final ultimatum from the United Nations for a full, complete, immediate disarmament of those weapons by Iraq. Over the next hours, I will work with my colleagues in the Senate to fully examine the evidence offered by the secretary for a complete and close reading. But, on its face, the evidence against Saddam Hussein appears real and compelling.’” (Wayne Washington, “Kennedy, Others Question Timing Of Attack But Presidential Hopefuls Back War With Iraq,” The Boston Globe, 2/6/03)

January 2003
Kerry Said, “If You Don’t Believe Saddam Hussein Is A Threat With Nuclear Weapons, Then You Shouldn’t Vote For Me.” (Ronald Brownstein, “On Iraq, Kerry Appears Either Torn Or Shrewd,” Los Angeles Times, 1/31/03)

Kerry Described Threat Of Saddam Hussein With WMD As Real, But Not New. “[W]e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. He miscalculated an eight-year war with Iran. He miscalculated the invasion of Kuwait. He miscalculated America’s response to that act of naked aggression. He miscalculated the result of setting oil rigs on fire. He miscalculated the impact of sending scuds into Israel and trying to assassinate an American President. He miscalculated his own military strength. He miscalculated the Arab world’s response to his misconduct. And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Georgetown University, Washington, DC, 1/23/03)

October 2002
“Mr. Kerry … Said Iraq’s Weapons Of Mass Destruction Posed ‘A Real And Grave Threat’ To The United States.” (Dave Boyer, “Key Senators Of Both Parties Back Bush On Iraq War,” The Washington Times, 10/10/02)

Kerry Questioned Saddam’s Actions With Respect To His WMD Capability. “Why is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed to limit or give up? Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own cease-fire agreement with the international community? Why is Saddam Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don’t even try, and responsible nations that have them attempt to limit their potential for disaster? Why did Saddam Hussein threaten and provoke? Why does he develop missiles that exceed allowable limits? Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the inspection teams previously? Why did Saddam Hussein not account for all of the weapons of mass destruction which UNSCOM identified? Why is he seeking to develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological agents? Does he do all of these things because he wants to live by international standards of behavior? Because he respects international law? Because he is a nice guy underneath it all and the world should trust him?” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)

Kerry Called It “Naive To The Point Of Grave Danger” To Leave Saddam “To His Own Devices.” “It would be naive to the point of grave danger not to believe that, left to his own devices, Saddam Hussein will provoke, misjudge, or stumble into a future, more dangerous confrontation with the civilized world.” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)

Kerry Said “Threat Of Saddam Hussein With Weapons Of Mass Destruction Is Real.” “The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation.” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)

Kerry: “I Am Prepared To Hold Saddam Hussein Accountable And Destroy His Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” (Ronald Brownstein, “Democratic Presidential Hopefuls Differ On War In Iraq,” Los Angeles Times, 10/6/02)

September 2000
Kerry Said “There Is Nothing More Destabilizing Or Threatening [To The World] Than Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” “I think all of us are deeply concerned about the degree to which certain countries seem to be contributing to the potential of instability in the world. Obviously, there is nothing more destabilizing or threatening than weapons of mass destruction. We have spent an enormous amount of time and energy focused on Iraq, on Iran, on Russia, on loose nukes, on nuclear materials, and of course on China and on the issue of the transfer of technology to Pakistan.” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 9/11/00, p. S8321)

December 1998
Kerry Defended Clinton’s 1998 Attacks Because Saddam “Is Pursuing … Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” “Americans need to really understand the gravity and legitimacy of what is happening with Saddam Hussein. He has been given every opportunity in the world to comply. The president does not control the schedule of UNSCOM. The president did not withdraw the UNSCOM inspectors. And the president did not, obviously, cut a deal with Saddam Hussein to do this at this moment. Saddam Hussein has not complied. Saddam Hussein is pursuing a program to build weapons of mass destruction.”(Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 12/16/98)

September 1998
Kerry Said, “‘We’re Going To Have To Make Some Fundamental Decisions About Whether To Follow A Policy Of Containment Or Deprive Iraq Of Its Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” (Eric Schmitt, “U.N. Arms Inspector Who Quit Is Told He Can’t Make Policy,” The New York Times, 9/4/98)

February 1998
Kerry Said Saddam Had Already Used WMD And Had Intent “To Do So” Again. “[T]here are set of principles here that are very large, larger in some measure than I think has been adequately conveyed, both internationally and certainly to the American people. Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East.” (Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 2/23/98)

Kerry Said That If Saddam’s Weapon Capability Was Not Eliminated “We Will Be Called On To Send Our Ships And Our Troops At One Point In The Future Back To The Middle East.” “Saddam Hussein has violated … that standard [against using weapons of mass destruction] on several occasions previously and by most people's expectation, no matter what agreement we come up with, may well do so again. The greater likelihood is that we will be called on to send our ships and our troops at one point in the future back to the Middle East to stand up to the next crisis.” (Sen. John Kerry, Press Conference, 2/23/98)

December 1997
Kerry Urged U.N. To Eliminate Iraq’s “Suspected Infrastructure For Developing And Manufacturing Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” “Democratic Senator John Kerry has said: ‘The Security Council should authorize a strong UN military response that will materially damage, if not totally destroy, as much as possible of the suspected infrastructure for developing and manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.’ He added that ‘Saddam Hussein has intentionally or inadvertently set up a test which the entire world will be watching, and if he gets away with this arrogant ploy, he will have terminated the most important multilateral effort to defuse a legitimate threat to global security.’” (“US Lawmakers Threaten Military Action Against Iraq,” Agence France Presse, 12/12/97)

November 1997
Kerry Warned U.S. Senate Of Saddam’s WMD Capabilities. “It is not possible to overstate the ominous implications for the Middle East if Saddam were to develop and successfully militarize and deploy potent biological weapons. We can all imagine the consequences. Extremely small quantities of several known biological weapons have the capability to exterminate the entire population of cities the size of Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. These could be delivered by ballistic missile, but they also could be delivered by much more pedestrian means; aerosol applicators on commercial trucks easily could suffice. If Saddam were to develop and then deploy usable atomic weapons, the same holds true.” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

January 1991
Kerry Acknowledged Saddam Working Toward Development Of WMD “For Years.” “If we go to war in the next few days, it will not be because our immediate vital interests are so threatened and we have no other choice. It is not because of nuclear, chemical, biological weapons when, after all, Saddam Hussein had all those abilities or was working toward them for years ....” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 1/12/91, p. S369)

October 1990
Kerry Said “Iraq Has Developed A Chemical Weapons Capability.” “Today, we are confronted by a regional power, Iraq, which has attacked a weaker state, Kuwait. ... The crisis is even more threatening by virtue of the fact that Iraq has developed a chemical weapons capability, and is pursuing a nuclear weapons development program. And Saddam Hussein has demonstrated a willingness to use such weapons of mass destruction in the past, whether in his war against Iran or against his own Kurdish population.” (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/2/90, p. S14330)

 

[DISJAZZ]

I think that I prefer Typhoon Lagoon over Blizzard Beach. I guess I like the tropical theme better than the frozen theme.

 

[Loftus]

Seems in the early 90's Kerry wasn't the only looking to cut the military.

Over Cheney's four years as secretary of defense, encompassing budgets for fiscal years 1990-93, DoD's total obligational authority in current dollars declined from $291.3 billion to $269.9 billion. Except for FY 1991, when the TOA budget increased by 1.7 percent, the Cheney budgets showed negative real growth: -2.9 percent in 1990, -9.8 percent in 1992, and -8.1 percent in 1993. During this same period total military personnel declined by 19.4 percent, from 2.202 million in FY 1989 to 1.776 million in FY 1993. The Army took the largest cut, from 770,000 to 572,000-25.8 percent of its strength. The Air Force declined by 22.3 percent, the Navy by 14 percent, and the Marines by 9.7 percent.

source: http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/secdef_histories/bios/cheney.htm

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by WDWHound
Funny, you trust everthing Micheal Moore has to say, but when men who served with Kerry offer their opinion of Kerry and his service, you automatically call it crap. What makes these decorated war verterans opinion so easily discardible? Their opinions are at least reliable as Micheal Moore's views or the views of all of those trying to to claim Bush was AWOL. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot. They are against Bush, so you have to automatically discredit them.

Get the facts straight.

None of the individuals in the latest slime-ball ad served with Kerry. They were on other swift boats.

The men who served with Kerry were on the podium with him at the convention and who campaign for him.

And frankly, why are you Republicans so afraid of Michael Moore? Unfortunately for George Bush, he really did continue to read about a "magic goat" after he had already been told "America is under attack". Can't call that one a fabrication.

Funny, I can't imagine Dwight Eisenhower doing that, nor could I imagine Ronald Reagan doing the same.

Btw, Farenheit 911 has made over $100,000,000. So much for Rush (the candy man) Limbaugh's prediction the movie would not be a blockbuster.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by MosMom
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush's misstatement "just shows even the most straightforward and plain-spoken people misspeak."

"But the American people know this president speaks with clarity and conviction, and the terrorists know by his actions he means it," McClellan said.

ROTFLMAO1

Speaking with clarity.........George Bush speaks with clarity! LOL

What the hell was McClellan on?

Or as Lewis Black would say...............Nahh, this is a family board.

 

[ThAnswr]

Originally posted by DISJAZZ
I think that I prefer Typhoon Lagoon over Blizzard Beach. I guess I like the tropical theme better than the frozen theme.

I respectfully disagree. I don't like carrying the "family tub" up the stairs at TL and that wave kills me everytime.

And since I live in Florida, I see tropics everywhere. To me, ice and snow is a real novelty.

Hey, nice talking to you.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by ThAnswr
ROTFLMAO1

Speaking with clarity.........George Bush speaks with clarity! LOL

What the hell was McClellan on?

Or as Lewis Black would say...............Nahh, this is a family board.

Seems like McClellan doesn't understand that there's a difference between being plain spoken and plain not being able to speak...

 

[shortbun]

Do you like the Mickey bars with just chocolate covering or
the cookie ones?

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by wvrevy
John McCain has condemned this crap, and has called on the president's campaign to do the same...but I'm sure that won't happen

Why should it be condemned? Why is it crap? Don't you believe them?

If the likes of Whoopi Goldberg can toss out untruths about Bush, seems to me that people who actually served with Kerry should be able to speak their mind as well. Where's their right to the 1st?

Yeah...I wonder when Shrub's vietnam buddies are gonna come out in support of him ? Oh...wait....what's right....

I must admit that you are the master of redirection.

"All hail W. All hail W'