Political - Are you gonna boycott Bruce!?!?!

[WillyJ]

I recall protests about both those movies, but not death threats and threats to burn down theatres that showed them. . .


And because they dealt with religion I can understand how people's emotions ran high. .

But threatening to kill people over a comment or even a film about a politician???


It boggles my mind. .

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by WillyJ
I recall protests about both those movies, but not death threats and threats to burn down theatres that showed them. . .

And because they dealt with religion I can understand how people's emotions ran high. .

But threatening to kill people over a comment or even a film about a politician???

Emotions are running pretty high these days, too.

People who issue death threats against those who are exercising their First Amendment rights should be excoriated, condemned, and arrested.

Can you reference those death threats and theater burning threats?

Also, on a side note: I know my mssg to you the other day was long--it was the maximum allowed. I would be grateful if you shared your thoughts with me regarding that.

 

[tonyswife]

I won't boycott Bruce, or any other celebrity for their political views. I don't care what they think, they only have one vote, just like me.

I do wish they would stop calling the consequences for their actions "censorship" Legally speaking, only the government can "censor" a person's first amendment rights. If privately owned radio stations want to ban their music, if individuals take part in CD smashings, if people won't buy their product or see their performances, that is not censorship.

If you have the courage of your convictions, you will not whine when people disagree with you through the power of their pocketbooks.

 

[WillyJ]

Who used the word "censoring"? Haven't seen it in this discussion or in the article I linked to. . .

And in my opinon, if you endorse people buying CD's and smashing them like little kids throwing a tantrum you really don't need to be accusing other people of "whining". . .


(Kendra,

I've read it and done some research on it.. . I'll write you a PM tomorrow and explain in more detail and still want to check a couple things but in general let me say that at this time from what I can tell what you relayed were acounts of events that happened in the past- rather then a set of rules of what a Muslim has to do to be a "real" Muslim. (For example, in the Old Testament there are accounts of the Isrealites waging war with the romans but that doesn't mean to be a "real" Jew today you have to kill Italians.)

And if you can answer me this, because I honestly don't know. . . what was the last non-Muslim country taken over by Muslims and forced to obey the tennents of Islam against thier will, and when did this occur? I can think of several where communists have done this in the past few decades but not Muslims.

Anyway, this off-topic and I don't want to hijack my girlfriend's thread; she'll yell at me. . LOL!! so I'll write you tomorrow. )

 

[katerkat]

Nah, not boycotting Bruce. I already own the one CD of his that I want, anyway. (Classic Bruce.) I think this concert is different than, say, what the Dixie Chicks did. It's fully known before hand that this is a political rally/concert. Obviously, as it's for the other guy, I won't be going, but that doesn't mean I'm boycotting it. (Right?)

I don't agree with the idiots that sent death threats to the Dixie Chicks, but they (the DC) did annoy me during that time. (Especially the whiny article in Entertainment Weekly.) Didn't break my CDs, though.

And it really annoys me when actors/musicians cry censorship. Wah, wah, wah. Again, EW had a half dozen comments from Cannes or somewhere where all the actors were claiming Disney's decision to not distribute Farenheit 9/11 was censorship. Nope, it's not like Disney said "no one else can distribute this film, either! We'll lock it in the vault so no one can ever see it, like Song of the South!")

 

[tonyswife]

Originally posted by WillyJ
Who used the word "censoring"? Haven't seen it in this discussion or in the article I linked to. . .

It's the title of the Elton John article

Elton attacks 'censorship' in US

And in my opinon, if you endorse people buying CD's and smashing them like little kids throwing a tantrum you really don't need to be accusing other people of "whining". . .

Thanks for the eyeroll, totally like a child having a tantrum but, whatever.

I don't "endorse" any such thing and I don't know how you read that in what I wrote, I said I wouldn't be boycotting anyone. It certainly is their right to do so however. Loss of revenue due to political commentary is a possible consequence for celebrities. They shouldn't call it censorship, as they do, a lot, and they should stop whining abou it.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Is there really any difference between not buying an artists work because you don't like their product and not buying it because you don't like their politics?

 

[Kendra17]

Does anyone have the links to the stories regarding threats to burn down the theaters that agreed to show Fahrenheit 911? I can't find any evidence of that myself, and I think that might be an exaggerated story.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

Aloha!


PRESIDENT TEDDY ROOSEVELT (Republican):“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public”. (1918)


Peace, Love & Mickey Mouse ~Rose~

 

[Viking]

Originally posted by Kendra17
I never was a Springsteen fan, but I was a fan of Dave Matthews Band. ..and, they are participating in the concert with Bruce.

I will not financially support bands who are vocal regarding their political views if they disagree with my own. So, I would support that boycott. And, I would go out of my way to support musicians that are supporting Bush.

However, I will listen to CDs of bands if I already own the CDs. (But, when I do that, I really start feeling resentful!)

Also, I have a hard time going to the movies now because I really don't want to support actors and actresses and directors, etc., who are really actively against Bush, too. And, obviously, there are a lot of them out there!

My husband and I used to discuss separating the art from the artist prior to 9-11 and the country's divisive politics. I remember I had always heard that Hitler, for instance (and, I'm not comparing anyone to Hitler!) was a great watercolorist, but I had never seen any of his paintings in photographs. When I did, I was surprised that he was indeed talented--at least technically. So, this same conversation ensued.

I can't separate the two anymore. I can admire talent, for instance, but I don't want to financially contribute--even with concert or cd or movie ticket sales-- to vastly differing political goals.

You obviously have no clue what democracy and free speech stand for

BTW, isn't it tough to find a republican baker, a republican supermarket, a republican auto repair shop, etc ?

BTW, Hitler was a postcard painter of minor talent, but he had lots of masterpaintings destroyed because the didn't fit into his view of the world.

 

[shortbun]

Originally posted by Mai Ku Tiki
Aloha!


PRESIDENT TEDDY ROOSEVELT (Republican):“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public”. (1918)


Peace, Love & Mickey Mouse ~Rose~

Amen!

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by shortbun
Amen!

Bush=Hilter=criticism????

Bush=Devil=criticism???


Who'd have ever thunk it.

 

[jrydberg]

Originally posted by Viking
You obviously have no clue what democracy and free speech stand for

That seems a bit... harsh. Free speech doesn't mean there are no consequences whatsoever for your actions. It does mean there will be no consequences from government authorities. If individuals choose not to purchase Bruce Springsteen albums and voice their concerns to others in an effort to get them to do the same, that is, in fact, an expression of free speech. It also does nothing to infringe on Bruce Springsteen's right to free speech. He has a right to say what he wants. He does not have a right to get paid to say what he wants.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by Viking
You obviously have no clue what democracy and free speech stand for

BTW, isn't it tough to find a republican baker, a republican supermarket, a republican auto repair shop, etc ?

BTW, Hitler was a postcard painter of minor talent, but he had lots of masterpaintings destroyed because the didn't fit into his view of the world.

With all due respect, you sound fairly ignorant on matters of free speech and democracy-- although you display a great talent for eye rolling.

Edited to add: Also, your comment about Hitler was curious. Your example depicts the suppression of free expression/speech. I'm fully aware--although this fact (like many others) eluded you--that my posts did nothing of the sort.

My second post thoroughly explained my first and others on this board also explained similar thoughts. If you actually DID understand what democracy and free speech are about, you'd have no need to make your comments.

WillyJ:
Indonesia conquered East Timor and massacred the citizens -all through the 90s until 2000. Dutch New Guinea is now Irian Jaya (1963-67).Also, Chechnya recently came under Shari'a (and Islam wasn't even established there until late 18th-mid 19th cent. ) . The fighting in Kashmir is of the same nature. There's more and I sent you several links.

 

[Saffron]

Originally posted by Kendra17
Does anyone have the links to the stories regarding threats to burn down the theaters that agreed to show Fahrenheit 911? I can't find any evidence of that myself, and I think that might be an exaggerated story.

I don't like speaking for WillyJ, he's completely capable of speaking for himself , but since he's at work I'll try to answer for him. WillyJ, like many in these and other political threads, is a political junkie. He listens to and reads everything he can, Left or Right, politics is just in his blood. Those threats might have been on one of the talk shows he listens to, like Limbaugh or something else, they may not be in print.

And as far as the tonyswife, :rolleyes mean "whatever", just as much as does. I must have misread your previous post before WillyJ at you too, because your last sentence sounds as if you were telling the people on the DIS, particually on this thread, to quit "whining" about something they disagree with. Voicing an opinion is not "whining" (whether is be here on the DIS or Elton John). Neither is , it's a matter of expression. You may not like it, but that's what it is.

Dannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

 

[peachgirl]

Voicing an opinion is not "whining" (whether is be here on the DIS or Elton John). Neither is , it's a matter of expression. You may not like it, but that's what it is.

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[wvrevy]

Originally posted by katerkat
Nah, not boycotting Bruce. I already own the one CD of his that I want, anyway. (Classic Bruce.) I think this concert is different than, say, what the Dixie Chicks did. It's fully known before hand that this is a political rally/concert. Obviously, as it's for the other guy, I won't be going, but that doesn't mean I'm boycotting it. (Right?)

Nope, not in my opinion it doesn't. Boycotting means going out and trying to get others to do the same, or at least publicly stating the reason you think people should join you in the boycott.

Originally posted by katerkat
I don't agree with the idiots that sent death threats to the Dixie Chicks, but they (the DC) did annoy me during that time. (Especially the whiny article in Entertainment Weekly.) Didn't break my CDs, though.

The backlash against the Chicks was truly disgusting, IMO...I'm more sickened by Toby Keith raking in every buck he can with his "Look what a supporter I am of the soldiers" crap than I am someone expressing an honest political opinion. Sure, it's a smart business decision from Toby, since the country audience tends to be conservative in nature, but that doesn't make it any less exploitative.

Originally posted by katerkat
And it really annoys me when actors/musicians cry censorship. Wah, wah, wah. Again, EW had a half dozen comments from Cannes or somewhere where all the actors were claiming Disney's decision to not distribute Farenheit 9/11 was censorship. Nope, it's not like Disney said "no one else can distribute this film, either! We'll lock it in the vault so no one can ever see it, like Song of the South!")

Nah, it wasn't censorship, just a really stupid business decision from Eisner and company (so what else is new ?) Still, it is pretty ridiculous when an entertainer can't even say that they support the president's opponent (not attack W, just say they support the other guy) without some yahoo putting out an attack ad against them and people trying to damage their careers. To me, that is just getting a bit ridiculous.

JMO

 

[tonyswife]

Originally posted by Saffron


And as far as the tonyswife, :rolleyes mean "whatever", just as much as does. I must have misread your previous post before WillyJ at you too, because your last sentence sounds as if you were telling the people on the DIS, particually on this thread, to quit "whining" about something they disagree with.

Yes, you did misread my post. I wasn't telling anyone here to quit whining. I said I wish the celebrities would quit whining when their political commentary results in loss of revenue for them.

Voicing an opinion is not "whining" (whether is be here on the DIS or Elton John). Neither is , it's a matter of expression. You may not like it, but that's what it is.

It is my opinion (or is mine not valid expression?) that celebrities complaining about "censorship" that isn't really censorship is in fact whining. As for the roll eyes, I was being totally civil and I don't understand why someone would roll thier eyes at me. It's juvenile. I have done it in the past, and I am attempting to turn a new leaf. Rolling my eyes at someone in order to effectively dimiss their opinion is not something I wish to engage in. If it's acceptable to you, so be it.

 

[Saffron]

If you have the courage of your convictions, you will not whine when people disagree with you through the power of their pocketbooks.

I still don't see the word celebrity or celebrities in that sentence/paragraph. I see the word "you", meaning the reader. So ... a person reading that sentence/paragraph, since they think it is aimed at them, the reader, may not think it's all that civil. Can you at least see that now?

What's the difference if you say "whatever", tell someone they're "childish" or "junvenile" or use this smilie ? Spelling it out is okay, but a graphic is not? We could argue back and forth about this all night, but I refuse. Instead I'll just say I disagree with you, and you can have the last word about it it if you'd like. < --- meant the way "the DIS" intended it to be used.

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by EsmeraldaX
I was boycotting him anyway because his voice grates on my nerves and I've never liked any of his songs.

Same here. Politics has nothing to do with it for me. Just don't like him. (and i'm definitely NOT too young..... )