Plz close think we had discuss this thread enough :)

[Belle1997]

Time VMK quest and competition developers (the ones who decide how many players win and how a game is run)to learn about the Disney factor.

Even after almost three years these people do not get this. They understimate the pixie dust we players love to give. Even after all the letters to contact us they still do not get it.

This is my take on how they would come up with who would finish.

I would say not all but many true gamers would know how to beat the pirate score. That 95% or higher would need a team. Most intense gamers really only play for themselves. (not all mind you) So once they got through they would leave their team behind thus making a team re group and get more players. Taking more time to get through and leaving people discouraged so they would give up

And all game devleopers know no matter how many hissy fits they take know that spoilers are a part of computer gaming. So they made the task 575 really hard to make sure any of the people give up or not even try. This letting even less to get trhough. Many gamers play a game become fanatics of that game.

Disney fanatics are a totally different breed Big mistake they forget what makes us gamers do different

They forgot the Disney Factor

The act of giving sharing good thoughts, feelings, to build up not tear down.

Most of us play VMK for this factor. If we are not gifting new players, we are helping others to fill rooms for best guest rooms.

We spend most of our time helping others, encouraging others giving hugs when friends are having a bad day.

So you add this thinking into a quest that seemed impossible the big Disney factor takes over.

Disney in himself refused to give up his dreams. Even with the odds stack against him. His biggest joy was seeing the smiles on others faces.

So now you have a large group of disney fans. And that is what you got the disney factor.

To dream the impossible, to leave no one behind, to not give up. To share the joys and defeats but always encouraging. As in the song Horizons

"If you can dream it then you can do! yes you can YES YOU CAN!

If you do not understand the disney factor when making games in VMK you will never understand what this game means to 80% of the players

Disney fans are more like family. A family that grows and grows over the years. Always adding new family members

It is hard to destroy a family that is bonded in friendship. The control and conquere theory does not work. A few will do it but as we saw on pirates they were more of an irritant, and did not stop a team from trying. They just got more determined

The fact that players let a player keep trying 4, 5, 6 or more time to get 575. They would have no way of figured this into the equation. The person trying wanting to give up the team saying no you can do it.

So VMK you messed this quest up big time. You cheated the many players who would have finished. You were the true pirates.

Why because you have failed to pass the basic course on Disney 101. Pixie dust 102. Pixie dust is the most magical gift a player can give another player.

Even after the gingerbread disaster you never even got it then.


But no you blame the players and after a rough weekend of success with some tears cause mostly by you closing down the quest early.

You cause dis harmony in the Kingdom. You created resentment, you create
jealousy and cruel words to be said.

I am sure Walt is smiling down on the majority of us. As for the game developers the ones who designed this quest and decided how many would not win he is disgusted.

 

[BlueHairedMonkey]

Time VMK programmers to learn about the Disney factor...
I am sure Walt is smiling down on the majority of us. As for you programmers he is disgusted.

Please understand that this is not the programmers fault (if there is a fault to be dished out at all). A "Programmer" takes direction. He/she is told what to do and is able to give input if an idea/algorithm will work technically.

I have been developing and programming for 30 years, and I've "programmed" some absolutely awful ideas. Why? Because I got paid.

So the VMK programmers? Yeah, they are brilliant. I've seen their resumes, blogs, etc. and am uber impressed.

 

[VirtuallyMe]

Well stated... you hit the nail on the head on that one.

May I suggest that it also go to contact us and all the other Disney addresses too...

Like I said- in all these frustrating events- I have some great memories and they are the players who gave them to me- not the game or the programmers but the special things the average player did for another.

 

[Belle1997]

Please understand that this is not the programmers fault (if there is a fault to be dished out at all). A "Programmer" takes direction. He/she is told what to do and is able to give input if an idea/algorithm will work technically.

I have been developing and programming for 30 years, and I've "programmed" some absolutely awful ideas. Why? Because I got paid.

So the VMK programmers? Yeah, they are brilliant. I've seen their resumes, blogs, etc. and am uber impressed.

Ok who is at fault with these dumbo decisons. Ok not the people who actually input the codes. I can understand this I just use programmes to get the right person.

Do they not sit down as a group to think up new concepts. So who wrote this quest failed no matter what we call them. And yes techinally VMK is an awesome game. But most do not care aboout techinal parts they care about pixie dust, being in the happiest place on Earth. Which after VMK major events it on of the most unhappy places.

Just gives Disney a really bad name.

I still giggle when I remember what a person said no other disney place blames their customers.

Can you imagine being in the first boat of Small world and a large PA announcement goes through the crowds. Sorry the ride will be closed for the next 15 minutes. Because the people in the first boat are too chubbie and sank their boat. Non of this would have happened if they had just listen to us before and gone on a diet.

Then to add to the insult. These people having to leave through the exit while people are standing in line laughing at them and giving snide comments. Would never ever happen.

So why should VMK be any different

 

[redshoe]

It's interesting, though...somehow, this quest and its aftereffects have made me more willing to share the magic. I've always given away a lot more stuff than I've been given, but I seem to be actively LOOKING for people that I can make smile. Random ones, not just my family. And I value my friends even more. So much more.

It's like I'm seeing it all with new eyes. Anyone else notice this?

 

[delicious]

This is wonderful, that is exactly what we did help and help and help.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

Please understand that this is not the programmers fault (if there is a fault to be dished out at all). A "Programmer" takes direction. He/she is told what to do and is able to give input if an idea/algorithm will work technically.

I have been developing and programming for 30 years, and I've "programmed" some absolutely awful ideas. Why? Because I got paid.

So the VMK programmers? Yeah, they are brilliant. I've seen their resumes, blogs, etc. and am uber impressed.

Well, as far as I can tell, Yavn (whether the real one or the "new" one) is a programmer. He is the leader of this project. I'm sure that while the suits above him make decisions on what types of "advertising" goes into the game, I believe it is the Lead Programmer's decision on how many people can get certain items. Same as when inferno was first released. I'm sure it was Yavn (and possibly staff as well) that decided how it was to be given and how many were to be given.

It is the same with this nightmare of a quest. I can't believe that some suit above him said well, we have to make this quest so most people will never get through. We have to keep these items really rare. Make it the most difficult quest ever.
Nope, the suits above him are really only concerned with money.

Unlike dreams month, where it was allowed for the hosts to take extra time to distribute items to as many people as possible, VMK shut down this quest early. Because they didn't want many people to get those items. The quest was designed to not allow many to finish.
This smacks of a gamer's desire to have few winners and many losers. Not some suit saying we have to get as much money as possible.


Belle, well said. I think they do tend to forget that many of the players play because of their love of all things Disney and not just because it's another game.

 

[lisuhut]

Hi
Well done Belle ,well said,and i am with you 100%.

 

[Dreamytime]

The problems rest solely on the shoulders of VMK developers and moderators. They said themselves, they know who the cheaters are. So why not IP Ban those cheaters and allow the remainder of the populace to continue the quest? Why? Because they truly don't know. This was VMK's Wagging of the Dog... to purposely divert attention from what would otherwise be of greater importance, to something else of lesser significance.

I'm not saying that cheating is of lesser significance, what I am saying is there were over 8500 people online doing the quest during some of those peak time periods. The percentage of people cheating would be what? I seriously think less than .01%.

They do not wish to admit that they did not take into count logistics, server demand, timing, and vmk people....

I keep thinking about what Aengus said in a thread about how we acted like 'pirates' pillaging and plundering that loot. Never dangle those virtual goodies in front of a VMKer unless you want to see your inventory drop dramatically. We pillaged... We plundered... but at the end of the day the friends we helped get through the quest are the most priceless thing I gained.

 

[BlueHairedMonkey]

Well, as far as I can tell, Yavn (whether the real one or the "new" one) is a programmer. He is the leader of this project. I'm sure that while the suits above him make decisions on what types of "advertising" goes into the game, I believe it is the Lead Programmer's decision on how many people can get certain items.

This will be my last comment in this thread, because I sincerely had no intention of hijacking a thread about the GOOD that people do, but I feel forced to interject my opinion here.

When you "call out" the VMK programmer(s) as the people who "ruined" this quest, you are doing Nothing Different than the kids that come up to me when I wear my silver ears and say that I cheated and ruined it for everyone. You are making a gross over generalization about how online games are created and run, and is that fair?

And before someone calls me a hypocrite, yes, I called out "Yavn" in a previous thread, but only because he actually put his name to the text that was published on the website, not because I was guessing as to who all was behind it.

Back to the positive aspect of the thread...

 

[redshoe]

The problems rest solely on the shoulders of VMK developers and moderators. They said themselves, they know who the cheaters are. So why not IP Ban those cheaters and allow the remainder of the populace to continue the quest? Why? Because they truly don't know.

Yes they do.

I firmly believe that hacking, in whatever form, was not the real issue. I am convinced that this was a made-up excuse so that they could give a reason for closing the quest early besides "everyone was figuring out how to get around the pirates score that we intentionally made almost impossible, and we really just didn't want that many people to be able to have these incredible prizes. We messed up, and we're making up for that by taking it out of the players."

They know EXACTLY who the cheaters are. They look at them in the mirror every morning.

 

[Kasiks]

I so agree with BlueHairedMonkey's previous comments.

I am getting bored lately of the comments of Belle on the programmers, if she use programmers as "the person who take decision" then she should use the word : the person who takes the decision, because using the term as programmers as she does is imo not a good thing to do either. Who knows exactly how VMK team is working ? Not me, maybe programmers are actually taking decisions, then she could say it but as far as I know we don't know.

She said something recently concerning the dogs and the programmers and I did not say anything but this is getting boring how she use the term of programmers (even if they are VMK programmers or not VMK) >_<

 

[Belle1997]

I so agree with BlueHairedMonkey's previous comments.

I am getting bored lately of the comments of Belle on the programmers, if she use programmers as "the person who take decision" then she should use the word : the person who takes the decision, because using the term as programmers as she does is imo not a good thing to do either. Who knows exactly how VMK team is working ? Not me, maybe programmers are actually taking decisions, then she could say it but as far as I know we don't know.

She said something recently concerning the dogs and the programmers and I did not say anything but this is getting boring how she use the term of programmers (even if they are VMK programmers or not VMK) >_<

Ok going to go back and change it to the people who designed this quest. Not being a computer person what I meant was the people who designed this quest. So I just called them programmers. Thanks for the insight hope I got it right this time. Sorry for being ignorant just like most would not know the difference between and Architect and a technologist both build building and draw plans but unless you are in the field you have no clue.

At least I am willing to change Sorry to all programmers.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

This will be my last comment in this thread, because I sincerely had no intention of hijacking a thread about the GOOD that people do, but I feel forced to interject my opinion here.

When you "call out" the VMK programmer(s) as the people who "ruined" this quest, you are doing Nothing Different than the kids that come up to me when I wear my silver ears and say that I cheated and ruined it for everyone. You are making a gross over generalization about how online games are created and run, and is that fair?

And before someone calls me a hypocrite, yes, I called out "Yavn" in a previous thread, but only because he actually put his name to the text that was published on the website, not because I was guessing as to who all was behind it.

Back to the positive aspect of the thread...

How am I generalizing here? We've even been told that Yavn and his team are the ones that make those decisions.

I view it differently than those saying that those who finished are cheaters. Because we know we are not the cheaters. It's VMK's responsibility to create the quests and excecute them. It's VMK's responsibility to come up with activities. Are you seriously trying to get us to believe that someone sitting on the board of directors created this quest?
Yavn has even told us that it was him and his team that created the in-park quests. How would it be that they didn't create this quest? Just who do you think did? Tinkerbell?

I also don't recall saying that the programmers "ruined" the quest. I said they are the ones who created it and closed it down. I have never once said "ruined" in regards to the quest other than maybe people's hopes of beating it.

Ok going to go back and change it to the people who designed this quest. Not being a computer person what I meant was the people who designed this quest. So I just called them programmers. Thanks for the insight hope I got it right this time. Sorry for being ignorant just like most would not know the difference between and Architect and a technologist both build building and draw plans but unless you are in the field you have no clue.

At least I am willing to change Sorry to all programmers.

I don't see where you need to apologize to all programmers. I don't think you were attacking all programmers. I don't think you were attacking anyone.
Just telling that the ones that designed and executed this quest forgot about this being Disney.

 

[Belle1997]

Oh and my point really was not about programmers VS what ever we title them I did ask what I shouls title them.

The point is about the disney factor.

 

[aengus]

I keep thinking about what Aengus said in a thread about how we acted like 'pirates' pillaging and plundering that loot. Never dangle those virtual goodies in front of a VMKer unless you want to see your inventory drop dramatically. We pillaged... We plundered... but at the end of the day the friends we helped get through the quest are the most priceless thing I gained.

for the record that wasnt me who wrote that. I remember reading exactly what you wrote, but not sure who was the author of that post.

I didnt pillage anything honest

 

[threeboysmom]

The point is about the disney factor.

And with that, you hit the nail directly on the head. I'm convinced that the people in charge do not share our love for all things Disney - they truly do not know or understand the meaning of the words "magic" and pixie dust". I'm willing to bet they've never even set foot in a Disney park...

Well said, Belle. Your post was beautiful.

 

[redshoe]

It really was, Belle...I loved it, too!!

 

[Belle1997]

Thanks


I really did not know they are not all called programmers so at least I learned something. I always feel bad to hurt other people that is why I changed it. Wish others felt the same. No need to be hurtful for my lack of knowledge.

This old lame duck is not up on the techical terms of gaming Big difference from what Yavn wrote and my post. I still have not figured out the difference between a charter accountant, controller and bookkeeper.

So I think if more people wrote contact us about the disney factor over and over again they might get it. Because to me that is really what is lacking. Maybe they should have a survey of why people play VMK on the front page.

To get a better feel for what players are looking for. What ages they are really dealing etc.

 

[Kasiks]

Belle, now at least I got what you meant by programmers, and I wont see your posts anymore like I used to see them because I really thought you had something against programmers.