Please report your 2 Bedroom BCV layout here!

[Terry S]

Harriet.... I have copied this from a post previously by jmhillrph where it states there was a written document that stated this :

I would draw your attention to the written description provided in the document Introducing Our Newest Resort: Disney's Beach Club Villas-- “Two-bedroom vacation homes feature… either one queen-size bed and one double-size sleeper sofa, or two queen-size beds in separate bedroom.”

Also, there was no mistake by the Guides or MS, my guide clearly knew what I was asking when I asked if there would be 2 queen beds instead of a one queen bed and a sleeper sofa at BCV? There could be no miscommunication there. When I spoke with MS last week the women I spoke with told me that it said right in the screen in front of her that 2 bedroom lock-offs would have a qeen bed and sleeper/sofa and that the 2 bedroom dedicated would have 2 qeen beds in the 2nd bedroom at BCV. No miscommunication there either.

The VWL have 2 qeen beds in the 2nd bedroom on the dedicated units and this seemed to go over very favorable with the membership. This is why they decided to go with this same type of configuration at BCV.

 

[DVC1996]

Terry,

I hope you got my e-mail. It seems there appears to be conflicting advertising information being circulated.

Here's a recap of my e-mails:
I got out my vacation guide and the lay-outs at VWL do show 2 queen beds in the dedicated two BR. I posted this info on the AOL DVC board for Stephanie when I found it since it surprised me. Do you have the brochure ( folder type) that I received? BTW....I have two of these since I picked up another one on the April DVC 10th Anniversary Cruise. On the front it says "We're pleased to welcome Disney's Beach Club Villas to the neighborhood. Opening Summer 2002. On the next part page is has the 2002 Vacation Points and at the bottom it says you can book your reservations beginning March 6, 2002.
The next page shows the lay-outs for a studio, one-bedroom , and two-bedroom vacation home It also has a photo of the living room of a one BR and two BR and the master suite too. If you look at the lay-out you can see that there is a queen bed and queen sofa bed in the 2 BR. The next page ( again this is a folder type thing)
says Come Home to the Magic of a Simpler Time and shows a nightime picture of Stormalong Bay and a WDW map showing the location of the new resort at the bottom. The back page has a listing of services, dining, shopping, and recreation.
The brochure indicates this is advertising material. BTW....there is no written description of the bedroom layout. Under 2BR it justs says:
DVD player, linens, towels, washer and dryer, master suite with a whirlpool, a complete kitchen with major appliances, dishware, dishwashing supplies and a start-up supply of bath soap, shampoo, laundry detergent, and coffee. My point is this.....did they send out different advertising material to different folks?

 

[chris1gill]

Harriett,

I just wanted to say we are also long time DVC'ers. I know that there are two queen beds in all the studios & dedicated second bedrooms. BWV's are different of course, there are NO dedicated second bedrooms, so, of course all second bedrooms are the studio units which all have 1 bed & 1 couch.

Now, when WLV's were built, they were a combination of the two, some dedicated two bedrooms & some lock-offs. All of the second bedrooms come with two queen beds. Nowhere in any literature on WLV's was this configuration shown or mentioned, but the fact remains, the dedicated second bedrooms have two queen beds.

It makes complete sense to expect when the next DVC resort came online with dedicated two bedrooms, that the second bedroom would also have two queen beds. What sense would it make to have a dedicated second bedroom with a bed and a couch? As I said, BWV's were designed to offer all lockoffs for two bedroom units.

The guides were reporting long ago (Fall timeframe) that BCV's would have the same second bedroom configuration for the dedicated's as WLV...

Just wanted to recap what each resort offered...

 

[wdwsos]

Originally posted by DVC1996
The brochure indicates this is advertising material. BTW....there is no written description of the bedroom layout. Under 2BR it justs says:
DVD player, linens, towels, washer and dryer, master suite with a whirlpool, a complete kitchen with major appliances, dishware, dishwashing supplies and a start-up supply of bath soap, shampoo, laundry detergent, and coffee. My point is this.....did they send out different advertising material to different folks?

Harriet,

I have both the brochure that you mentioned (thick folder type paper) and the one quoted above in jmhillrph's email (regular glossy paper). The one which has the description of the 2-br units as having the possibility of two queen size beds was sent earlier. If I remember correctly, it went out with material for prospective new buyers. (I occasionally request a copy for friends who are timid about contacting a guide.) Both brochures have the artist's rendering of The Breezeway and have it titled as The Drawing Room, so they must have been printed in the early stages.

The room layouts on both show the sofa bed in the second bedroom. The wording really does have them covered - just by saying that the second bedroom will have *either* one queen-sice bed and one double-size sleeper sofa, *or* two queen-size beds, could really mean that they hadn't made up their minds yet at the time of the printing. Same with not knowing what to call the Breezeway/Drawing Room.

I don't mean to make light of this - I know it's a big issue with some of you (especially the fact that it's a double bed rather than a queen), and writing the letter will at least let DVC see this. I'm just not expecting anything to happen too soon.

Dotti

 

[Terry S]

Harriet... Dotti answered your question, the brochure was a glossy brochure, I think it was sent out to give to other prospective buyers for referral purposes.

Dotti... I understand what you are saying, but I took the statement in the brochure to mean that both configurations would be available and that you would get either one of the 2 configurations based on availability at the time of the reservation. I don't beleive that when DVC created this brochure they weren't sure what they were going to do at the time, especially since everyone I talked with told me that the dedicated 2 bedrooms would have 2 queen beds.

chrisgill1... thanks for the clarification. I agree, it just doesn't make sense, why have the dedicated units if you don't have the queen beds? To save on the cost of a microwave and a fridge? To save on the cost of an extra door? and if they are trying to save on cost, the beds are cheaper then the sleeper/sofas, so I just don't get it?

Obviously there was a change from the original plan, not sure if someone accidentally ordered 150 couches for all the 2 bedrooms or they just got a real good deal on the couches if they ordered a large number or what, but it was definatly different than the original plan, that I can gaurantee.

 

[DVC1996]

Hi Dottie! I was just wondering if the glossy flyer you mentioned had the wording in bold letters THIS ADVERTSING MATERIAL IS BEING USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF SOLICITING SALES OF TIME-SHARE PERIODS printed on it? If it does....then could this help legalize the argument that some customers were misled? BTW....the two bedroom dedicated at Vero has the queen bed and sofa combination too but HH has two queen-sized beds. I was thinking that maybe the vacation guides are having a hard time keeping all this straight. I know I am <g>

 

[wdwsos]

Originally posted by DVC1996
Hi Dottie! I was just wondering if the glossy flyer you mentioned had the wording in bold letters THIS ADVERTSING MATERIAL IS BEING USED FOR THE PURPOSE OF SOLICITING SALES OF TIME-SHARE PERIODS printed on it? If it does....then could this help legalize the argument that some customers were misled

It does, Harriet.

And Terry, I agree with you 100% that they originally planned on having the two queens in the dedicated two-bedrooms. I was only saying that they have many ways out if they want to CT(their)A, even those that are the most absurd.

Dotti

 

[Terry S]

Harriet.... When I spoke with my guide yesterday, he was quite upset. His words were "I pride myself on giving correct and honest information, and I know what we were all told is that the 2 bedroom dedicated units at Beach Club Villas would have 2 queen beds, I have told this to many people and it really upsets me that I have now given them wrong information. I am going to speak with our manager and let him know this!" He was not confused one bit as to which resort he was referring to, he was giving me the information he and all the other guides were told.

When I spoke with the MS rep yesterday I asked if the dedicated 2 bedrooms at Beach Club Villas had 2 queen beds or not she asked me to hold on while she pulled it up on her screen, she then said "Yes, it says right here on my screen that the dedicated two bedrooms at Beach Club Villas have 2 queen sized beds". There was no confusion. Just a change from the original plan.

Dotti.... Got ya now! Sorry about that!

 

[DVC1996]

Terry.....I really don't know how DVC management determines these things. BTW....Vero, my home resort, has the queen bed and sofa combo in the dedicated 2 BR units. So, if I am correct, BWV, Vero, and BCV have the queen bed/sleeper sofa in all the 2 BR units. OKW, VWL, and HH have two queen sized beds in the dedicated 2 BR units. Of course.....OKW has queen sized beds in the studios too as well as the inn rooms at Vero which is why I prefer these accomodations. I like the extra bed in the studio too Maybe we should write DVC now insisting on two beds in the 2nd bedroom ( and maybe the studios.....I like ) at the new DVC resort planned for Downtown Disney

 

[chris1gill]

I think it is safe to assume the new Downtown Disney resort will have two queen beds in the dedicated second bedroom.

I just wanted to say again, that you cannot say that the BWV's have a couch & queen in their second bedroom WITHOUT further saying that there are NO dedicated two bedroom units at BWV's... that's a very important distinction to make. That is the point of this thread, providing dedicated 2 bedroom units without providing 2 queen beds in that second bedroom. HH definitely has the dedicated second bedroom & as stated, it has two queen beds... Unfortunately, I don't know if Vero has dedicated two bedroom units or if they just provide the 2 bedroom lockoff like at BWV's.

Suffice it to say, that DVC learned after previous years experiences that they should offer dedicated two bedrooms. The change was made with VWL because of members wishes... It is absurd to think they changed their minds once in the final stretch of building BCV's....

 

[chicago641]

Hey everyone get writing,there is power in numbers!

 

[DVC1996]

Originally posted by chris1gill
I just wanted to say again, that you cannot say that the BWV's have a couch & queen in their second bedroom WITHOUT further saying that there are NO dedicated two bedroom units at BWV's... that's a very important distinction to make. That is the point of this thread, providing dedicated 2 bedroom units without providing 2 queen beds in that second bedroom. HH definitely has the dedicated second bedroom & as stated, it has two queen beds... Unfortunately, I don't know if Vero has dedicated two bedroom units or if they just provide the 2 bedroom lockoff like at BWV's.

DVC's definition of a "dedicated unit" appears to mean that it cannot be converted into a one-bedroom unit and a studio which is locked-off. Vero is my Home Resort and my Component Site Offering Statement from 1996 on pages 4 &5 describes a two bedroom vacation home as 2 bedrooms and 2 baths; a two-bedroom vacation home-locked off as one bedroom and studio vacation home possible but not dedicated ( 2 BR/2Bath) and a suite vacation home as one bedroom/1 bath. AT THAT POINT IN TIME ( 1996), they had declared 8 dedicated two-bedroom units into ownership and 16 of the two-bedroom -locked off.

 

[chris1gill]

Harriett,

Thanks for that info. So, in your experience at Vero, have you seen or stayed in the Vero dedicated 2 bedroom units? If so, did they have 2 queens or 1 queen and 1 sofa? I'm sure the lock off units have the later... but what do the dedicateds have? I'm glad to see Vero does indeed have the dedicated units, we had one in HH, it was very nice to have the two beds!

 

[DVC1996]

Originally posted by chris1gill
Harriett,

Thanks for that info. So, in your experience at Vero, have you seen or stayed in the Vero dedicated 2 bedroom units? If so, did they have 2 queens or 1 queen and 1 sofa? I'm sure the lock off units have the later... but what do the dedicateds have? I'm glad to see Vero does indeed have the dedicated units, we had one in HH, it was very nice to have the two beds!

Chris.....we always either get a Beach Cottage or stay in the inn rooms. We like the inn rooms better because you get the two queen-sized beds plus an ocean-view. You also get the mini-frig and microwave like a studio The reason I haven't stayed in the 2 BR is because there are not two beds in the 2BR units according to the info and lay-outs I have gotten. I haven't actually gone and checked this out for myself because I felt my info was reliable. However, if someone else has actually stayed in a 2BR at Vero with two queen beds in the 2nd BR then please let me know. This is why I think DVC's definition of "dedicated unit" does not necessarily mean there will be two beds in the 2 BR. It just means it isn't a lock-off.

 

[chris1gill]

Hi Harriett,

Well, I think this would be an important answer to have... It appears that BCV *Might* be the only resort that has 2 bedroom dedicated units that have a queen & a sofa...

So far

BWV's No dedicated 2 bedroom units
OKW - 2 queen beds (all studio's & dedicated units)
WLV - 2 queen beds in dedicated & 1 queen, sofa in lock off's
HH - 2 queen beds in dedicated & 1 queen, sofa in lock off's
BCV's - well we all know...
Vero - 1 queen bed & 1 Sofa (just like BCV's...)

Now, this leads me to my next question, I'd be curious to know which opened first? HHI or Vero? If Vero opened first, then HHI, that would just mean that all units built after Vero had the dedicated 2 bedroom units with 2 queen beds... it would be an oddity that DVC would revert back to using the Queen bed/Sofa combination, if the previous 2 (HH & WL) had 2 queens...

I find the whole topic pretty interesting... Other than to say I like having the 2 queens...

(Almost forgot to mention, Thanks to Harriett for checking, I modified the list to represent the Vero configuration)

 

[DVC1996]

Originally posted by chris1gill
Hi Harriett,

Well, I think this would be an important answer to have...

Chris......just also wanted to post here that I called the front desk at Vero and they stated that the 2 BR had the bed and sofa combination.

 

[PamOKW]

October 1995 -- Vero opens
March 1996 -- HHI opens

 

[DVC1996]

Originally posted by PamOKW
October 1995 -- Vero opens
March 1996 -- HHI opens

OKW - 2 beds
Vero - Bed/sofa
HH - 2 beds
BW- Bed/sofa
VWL- 2 beds
BCV- Bed/sofa

Hmmmm.....if the pattern continues then the villas at Downtown Disney should have two beds

 

[chris1gill]

Harriett,

I think you have to take BWV's off your list, either that or indicate that it doesn't have dedicated units... so that would leave you with the following...

All of the DVC resorts WITH dedicated 2 bedrooms.... In order of construction...

OKW - 2 beds (built 1991)
Vero - Bed/sofa (built 1995)
HH - 2 beds (built 1996)
VWL- 2 beds (built 2000)
BCV- Bed/sofa (built 2002)

It is indeed an oddity isn't it

 

[Terry S]

Has anyone talked to anyone and gotten a real explanation as to why there is not 2 queen beds in the 2nd bedroom of a dedicated at BCV?