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Kramer said:
If someone needs the psychological motivation of snowballing to get their debts payed down then that is a financial advantage. Because the alternative, in reality, is that they might not be motivated enough otherwise to get the debts paid off. So in the long run, snowballing saves them a lot of money on the debt they might not otherwise pay off.
Absolutely. My point was strictly in that "perfect" world. If you pay your highest interest rate debt first, you will end up paying less total interest over time. If you pay by the smallest balance method, you allow more interest to accumulate so the total you will pay back will be higher.

But I am NOT arguing against the "snowballing" method. If that is what gets you motivated and gets the debt paid off, then by all means that is what you should be doing. Paying off any debt is far, far better than not paying it off.
 
When my wife and I got married we each converted our checking and savings accounts to joint accounts so now we have two joint checking and two joint savings accounts.

We also each have an allowance to spend on whatever we want. Like others have posted, it eliminates any bad feelings or resentment on spending for personal items/hobbies/gadgets. We feel that this system works pretty well for us.

My wife is a stay-at-home mom, so for the last two years we have just one income. We manage to pay all our bills, save for retirement, and stay out of credit card debt. We now try to live below our means as much as possible.

Before the baby, my wife was a teacher and earned around 40k a year. I have no idea what we did with all of that extra money before she stopped working. Sometimes I dream about that extra income and just wish we could use it to save even more for retirement. We really don't need more "things". I would just love to be able to sock even more cash away for a rainy day.
 
We haven't done this yet, we will combine finances after the wedding. But I have it all down on paper.

DFi will have his own checking account with a debit card. He gets his gas money and $100 in "play" money each month. Play money is for anything he wants, no questions asked.

I will have my own checking with a debit card. I get gas money, grocery money, and $100 in play money.

Mortgage and Car loan account. The amount needed for these two items will be deposited from each of our pay checks, to be auto-payed directly. I won't even have to write a check. Property taxes are escrowed and included in the mortgage payment, so I don't even need to worry about those!

Household account. All the other household bills (utilities and such) get payed out of here. Love that online bill pay!

Emergency savings. Nuff said. Once we get enough together, my bank has a money market account that pays interest, but I can write checks off the account and/or use a debit card, so if an emergency does happen, the cash is easy to access.

Overtime/bonus savings. DFi gets overtime almost every week, and I get a yearly bonus in December. This will be used for vacations and other big, frivolous purchases.

Since we haven't started yet, I don't know how well it will work, but it sure looks good on paper!

Speaking of paper, I've also worked out a budget, so I know how much each account needs, and how to divide the directy payroll deposits to meet thoses amounts. It was tricky, too since DFi gets paid weekly and I get paid bi-weekly. But I figured it out! DFi then reviewed and approved of the budget. I think it's important that the spouse that doesn't do the finances at least have an idea of where the money is going, and why they only get a certain amount of play money each month! ;)
 

Glad you got a plan together. Good luck to you! :sunny:
 
Best wishes. Its really hard when you are used to grabbing the oreos without thinking about it to say "you know, I really don't need those in the house."
 
Without being too nosy here, can you tell us any of the advice that you decided to follow from here? I'm trying to get out of debt too and I'm interested to know which strategies are working for others, for example, did you decide to stop using the equity company? I'm using the snowball method too and I was very excited when I actually saw how it would work on paper. Good luck.
 
That's great PG! I did the same thing with DFi. I handle all the $$$ but once I worked up the budget, I showed it to him and explained my thought process so he would understand what was going on (and why I was giving each of us a $100 monthly allowance ;) ). Once we close on the new home we're buying and the wedding is over and we have a true picture of our debt, I'll need to re-work the budget, but at least now I have a starting point to work with, I'll just have to change the numbers a bit.
 
Inquiring for a friend who I'm helping do this:

OK, here's my question....what if there is no extra money? Seriously, you've tracked it all and you make less than you spend....what then. Obviously the answer is to bring in more income. OK, you get the part time job and now you have enough money to live but not enough to pay extra to anybody....how do you do the snowball thing then? Or any of these plans. There's no more money to bring in and no more expenses to cut...I guess you just stop using any credit at all and hope in time the payments you make will reduce your debt. Any advice on this one?
 
cruisnfamily said:
Inquiring for a friend who I'm helping do this:

OK, here's my question....what if there is no extra money? Seriously, you've tracked it all and you make less than you spend....what then. Obviously the answer is to bring in more income. OK, you get the part time job and now you have enough money to live but not enough to pay extra to anybody....how do you do the snowball thing then? Or any of these plans. There's no more money to bring in and no more expenses to cut...I guess you just stop using any credit at all and hope in time the payments you make will reduce your debt. Any advice on this one?

Well, without knowing more about the situation it's tough to say. You say that there's nothing left to cut. Do they own a home? Can they downsize to a smaller home with a smaller mortgage. And remember, the more expensive the home, the more expenses that go *with* the home. Do they live in an apartment? Can they downsize to a smaller apartment? Do they have car payments? If so, can they trade the cars in for cheaper and older used cars to either reduce or eliminate that payment. And finally, what kinds of jobs do they have. Is there a possibility for overtime? If not, then a second job would seem to be in order. Selling things around the house on Ebay is a short term way to bring in some funds, but it's only a short-term solution. How about taking in a boarder or a roommate. If there's a stay at home parent, can they possibly baby-sit? Hope your friend's situation works out...
 
cruisnfamily said:
what if there is no extra money? Seriously, you've tracked it all and you make less than you spend....what then.
Only two choices: earn more or spend less. I've found that everyone's definition of having cut every possible expense is different. Some posts, for example, will mention having cut the premium cable channels but still having cable service, or something like that. If your friends have truly cut out every possible unneccesary expense, then more income is the only choice. Babysit, mow lawns, deliver newspapers, sell on ebay, do something to make extra money.

But I think in all but the most drastic cases, there are always more expenses to be trimmed.
 
disneysteve said:
I've found that everyone's definition of having cut every possible expense is different. Some posts, for example, will mention having cut the premium cable channels but still having cable service, or something like that.
And that brings us back to the OP, who said more than once that she had cut everything that could possibly be cut. And yet found $40-50 to cut on one shopping trip alone. Sometimes you really need someone else to look at your budget and help you find those things that you're so used to, you don't even think about them as optional.
 
peacefulgirl said:
That brings us back to where I was. No extra to work with.

The answer is, find it somewhere, sell things, stop any extra spending. If not there like you say, then more income is needed. If that doesn't work. They are down to bankruptcy. I do not know what their details are so its hard to say.
Well, with the part time job, he can still make payments and get by, there just isn't any extra to get rid of the debt. I don't think bankruptcy is the way to go because he can get by as is. So, looking for other ideas...but I don't know that there are any.
 
cruisnfamily said:
Inquiring for a friend who I'm helping do this:

OK, here's my question....what if there is no extra money? Seriously, you've tracked it all and you make less than you spend....what then. Obviously the answer is to bring in more income. OK, you get the part time job and now you have enough money to live but not enough to pay extra to anybody....how do you do the snowball thing then? Or any of these plans. There's no more money to bring in and no more expenses to cut...I guess you just stop using any credit at all and hope in time the payments you make will reduce your debt. Any advice on this one?

The only real nessesitys are shelter, food, and transportation. Everything else is optional. Cancel the cable, if that means no t.v., well, then the electric bill will be smaller too! ;) Take a look at the food bill, cut out all treats (this helps many to lose weight, too!). Ice cream and cookies are not nessesary. Look at food portion sizes, even. Many (and I'm not saying your friends do) eat way to much food to begin with, if they cut down the portions, meals will last longer (leftovers) or they need to cook less to begin with, either way it saves $$$. Meat is expensive, have them look for meatless meals, have breakfast for dinner (eggs are the cheapest protien out there). Cut out ALL fast food or take out. Bottled water is not nessesary, I don't care how bad your water tastes. It's safe to drink. If you MUST have bottled water, then at least buy the gallon jugs for 69 cents and not the case of idividual bottles for $5 to $8.

Another area is utilites. Unless needed for health reasons or pets, don't run the a/c in the summer. If it is needed, keep it at the highest tolerable level, and keep the curtains and shades drawn, it helps keep the house a little cooler. Turn off all lights in empty rooms, turn the temperature down on the water heater (good safety tip too for families with young kids or older seniors), only wash/dry full loads of laundry (it costs about the same to run 1 small load as 1 big load). To save on water, don't water the lawn (it doesn't die, it just goes dormant) and take the shortest showers possible (also the tip on washing full loads helps with water).

Cars, if they have a payment, they should sell the car and buy the cheapest reliable car they can, use any left over money to pay down debt and/or start an emergency fund. Once the payments stop, that alone will give them extra $$$. If they have a lease and can't get out of it, when it's up they need to then buy a cheap used car, they should NOT get another lease, that's the most expensive way to have a car there is.

After all of this, if it still isn't enough (or they've already done this and are still short) then...

Down size the home, if possible. Even if that means selling the house and going into an appartment that has a lower monthly payment. Use the cash from the sale to get rid of all debt. If any debt is left over, pay that down, and then they can start saving for a down payment again for a new home. This is a drastic step and I would only do it if there was no other choice. But if it is the only option left, it's better this than bankruptcy, which is the only other option left open if they truely have no money and are spending more than making.

The only other option to save the home is to bring in more money. The easiest way is to ask for a raise. If they do good work, why not? Overtime is then the next easiest. If no raise is possible and no OT is available, then they need to look at second jobs. Paper routes, pizza delivery, waiter/waitress/host at a restaurant, making coffee at Starbucks, baysitting, yard work for neighbors, what ever it takes to get that extra income.

It sucks, it really does. But what's the alternative. It's not possible to live and spend more than you make forever, so they need to cut costs and/or raise income. It's the only way.
 
tlbwriter said:
Sometimes you really need someone else to look at your budget and help you find those things that you're so used to, you don't even think about them as optional.
There are so many things that we have all become accustomed to having. Does your friend service his own car? Basic service like an oil change can be done at home instead of paying Jiffy Lube $30. Do they buy any brand name grocery items? Do they buy prepared food items that they could be making themselves? Do they have air conditioning? Do they have pets? If they are struggling to handle the bills, the costs associated with pet ownership may need to be reconsidered. Perhaps they could get a friend or relative to temporarily adopt their pet until they get out of debt. Do they live somewhere where planting a vegetable garden is an option? Do they have cell phones? Internet service? Cable TV?

Have them get "The Tightwad Gazette" by Amy Dacyzyn. She can cut the budget to the bare minimum. Definitely worth getting at the library.
 
I keep reading about "downsizing" the house or apartment.

That advice really needs to be weighed against any increased costs or out of pocket cost prior to taking it.

For example, if you move you have to pay reconnection fees on electricty, water, phone etc... You may have to pay movers or at a minimum rent a truck and bribe your buddies with Pizza/Beer. You may have to pay a deposit at the new location prior to getting your deposit back on your current rental. If your interest rate is low and your credit has gone to pot, new house payments may be higher if you have to pay more interest even if the mortgage amount is lower.

Just things to consider. If you are in a cash flow cruch, moving may not be a good option.
 

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