Please help me. I am desperate for advice -Updated 11-26 Post# 53

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I am a long time poster if the boards but have changed my name for the purpose of this post. I am asking my friends on the Dis to help me because I don't feel comfortable sharing this with "real" people in my life.

Okay, here goes it...

I need advice on what to do about my marriage. I know the decision is mine in the end, but I just NEED some advice and other points of view to help me digest my situation.

I have been married 8 years and have been with my DH for 12 years. Like any marriage we were dealt some tough blows. But, we always seemed to pull through. However, last year things really became stressed when I felt my DH wasn't interested in me anymore. I started feeling very lonely and sad. I suggested marriage counseling to DH, but he wasn't interested. So I started to look for answers and began checking his cell phone and made a horrifying discovery. He went from an average of 10 text messages to 175 in one month. I also noticed that he was making a lot of loooooong phone calls to the same number.:scared1: I did not say anything at first, instead I started to track when these calls were made. They were all done soon after leaving our home for work, errands etc. Many were made while he was working. I also hacked into his work email and found that he was emailing the same women (someone he works with) a lot too. While nothing was that outrages, it was still kind of flirty. if you know what I mean. When I had enough evidence I confronted him. I also learned that while I was school on the weekends he was taking my kids to meet up with her and her kid to have "fun." These plans were never made clear to me until after the fact.

Of course when confronted, DH swore she was just a "friend" and that I had nothing to worry about. I told him that I was completely uncomfortable with the entire friendship and it needed to end NOW!!!! He did not like this and started telling me I was being unreasonable and making a big deal out of nothing. After fighting for about 2 weeks on this matter I told him that we need to go to marriage counseling or our marriage was over. He eventually agreed and it was explained very early to him by our MC that he indeed was having an emotional affair:scared1: We continued to go to the MC for a year. During this time he swore to me that he did nothing "physical" with this women and that he would never do anything like this again. The MC also diagnosed him with depression which she thinks was triggered when our first born was diagnosed with cancer (fully recovered and healthy now) and was prescribed medication to help with this. She also made suggestions about making time for "date night," "talk time," etc. She also told him that he should get involved in activities that he enjoyed as these a natural ways to help depression. He now goes to the gym 5 days a week, bikes 3 days a week and he put together a band that now practices in my basement once a week. While in counseling my husband shared how much he loves me, how much his family means to him, that I was not the cause of his depression and that I was the best wife a guy could ever want.

After a year of counseling and meds that seemed to be working things seemed to be great again. That was two months ago and now I find myself wondering if there is any hope left in my marriage.

Over the last couple of months I have watched him become distant again and COMPLETELY uninterested in me again. He also has be exhibiting weird behavior like he has phantom illnesses he gets all worried about and then it passes. Also, last Sunday after returning from visiting my mother for the weekend I found him crying in bed. When I asked him what was wrong he said he didn't know why he was crying. He said he had been crying all day and didn't know why. I gently suggested that he should call his counselor and he said he was fine and that he thinks it is because he has been working a lot of overtime and that he was just tired. Hmmm

So I begin to do some more snooping a discovered he erased all the history on the computer for the whole weekend. I said nothing and checked everyday for a week and he has been doing this every day. I know he is on the computer as he is posting on Facebook and yet there is no history of it. hmmm.

So I confront him, He confesses that he is viewing things on the internet that is clearly unacceptable. (if you know what I mean):scared1:

Also int the beginning of this week he tells me he wants to drive 1100 miles alone to attend some training for work. It is not required training at this time, but his work will pay for the class, but none of the additional expenses that total about $600. I don't think he is going away with a woman as he will staying at he cousins house the whole time and I cannot see them being participants in that kind of activity. DH says he needs this "downtime" to feel good about himself.

I tell him that it is a bad idea because we can't afford it and I am actually worried about his mental state given the past couple of months and that I think he should wait until the training come closer to where we live and that he should work on getting better before driving that far alone. (which in itself is a bad idea) Well, he didn't like hearing any of that and has planned to and spend the money regardless of my concerns and wishes.

So, please tell me....am I like the biggest fool for staying one minute longer with someone who clearly doesn't care about me? I struggle back and forth with the fact that he is depressed and I want to make sure he gets better. I have two young kids that need a "healthy" father. But, it so hard for me to go on day after day feeling so unloved and unappreciated.

In his defense, he has agreed to go back to MC and my DH works hard and does have a very kind and caring side. Dh doesn't drink, take drugs, or abuse me physically. He ignores me!!! It is like I am a roommate instead of a wife. I am so sad!

So Dis friends (if you're still with me...Thanks for reading) what should I do.

Don't spare my feelings....I'm a tough one;) I want to hear whatever you have to say.
 
I am a long time poster if the boards but have changed my name for the purpose of this post. I am asking my friends on the Dis to help me because I don't feel comfortable sharing this with "real" people in my life.

Okay, here goes it...

I need advice on what to do about my marriage. I know the decision is mine in the end, but I just NEED some advice and other points of view to help me digest my situation.

I have been married 8 years and have been with my DH for 12 years. Like any marriage we were dealt some tough blows. But, we always seemed to pull through. However, last year things really became stressed when I felt my DH wasn't interested in me anymore. I started feeling very lonely and sad. I suggested marriage counseling to DH, but he wasn't interested. So I started to look for answers and began checking his cell phone and made a horrifying discovery. He went from an average of 10 text messages to 175 in one month. I also noticed that he was making a lot of loooooong phone calls to the same number.:scared1: I did not say anything at first, instead I started to track when these calls were made. They were all done soon after leaving our home for work, errands etc. Many were made while he was working. I also hacked into his work email and found that he was emailing the same women (someone he works with) a lot too. While nothing was that outrages, it was still kind of flirty. if you know what I mean. When I had enough evidence I confronted him. I also learned that while I was school on the weekends he was taking my kids to meet up with her and her kid to have "fun." These plans were never made clear to me until after the fact.

Of course when confronted, DH swore she was just a "friend" and that I had nothing to worry about. I told him that I was completely uncomfortable with the entire friendship and it needed to end NOW!!!! He did not like this and started telling me I was being unreasonable and making a big deal out of nothing. After fighting for about 2 weeks on this matter I told him that we need to go to marriage counseling or our marriage was over. He eventually agreed and it was explained very early to him by our MC that he indeed was having an emotional affair:scared1: We continued to go to the MC for a year. During this time he swore to me that he did nothing "physical" with this women and that he would never do anything like this again. The MC also diagnosed him with depression and was prescribed medication to help with this. She also made suggestions about making time for "date night," "talk time," etc. She also told him that he should get involved in activities that he enjoyed as these a natural ways to help depression. He now goes to the gym 5 days a week, bikes 3 days a week and he put together a band that now practices in my basement once a week. While in counseling my husband shared how much he loves me, how much his family means to him, that I was not the cause of his depression and that I was the best wife a guy could ever want.

After a year of counseling and meds that seemed to be working things seemed to be great again. That was two months ago and now I find myself wondering if there is any hope left in my marriage.

Over the last couple of months I have watched him become distant again and COMPLETELY uninterested in me again. He also has be exhibiting weird behavior like he has phantom illnesses he gets all worried about and then it passes. Also, last Sunday after returning from visiting my mother for the weekend I found him crying in bed. When I asked him what was wrong he said he didn't know why he was crying. He said he had been crying all day and didn't know why. I gently suggested that he should call his counselor and he said he was fine and that he thinks it is because he has been working a lot of overtime and that he was just tired. Hmmm

So I begin to do some more snooping a discovered he erased all the history on the computer for the whole weekend. I said nothing and checked everyday for a week and he has been doing this every day. I know he is on the computer as he is posting on Facebook and yet there is no history of it. hmmm.

So I confront him, He confesses that he is viewing things on the internet that is clearly unacceptable. (if you know what I mean):scared1:

Also int the beginning of this week he tells me he wants to drive 1100 miles alone to attend some training for work. It is not required training at this time, but his work will pay for the class, but none of the additional expenses that total about $600. I don't think he is going away with a woman as he will saying at he cousins house the whole time and I cannot see them being participants in that kind of activity.

I tell him that it is a bad idea because we can't afford it and I am actually worried about his mental state given the past couple of months and that I think he should wait until the training come closer to where we live and that he should work on getting better before driving that far alone. (which in itself is a bad idea) Well, he didn't like hearing any of that and has planned to and spend the money regardless of my concerns and wishes.

So, please tell me....am I like the biggest fool for staying one minute longer with someone who clearly doesn't care about me? I struggle back and forth with the fact that he is depressed and I want to make sure he gets better. I have two young kids that need a "healthy" father. But, it so hard for me to go on day after day feeling so unloved, unappreciated.

In his defense, he has agreed to go back to MC and my DH works hard and does have a very kind and caring side. Dh doesn't drink, take drugs, or abuse me physically. He ignores me!!! It is like I am a roommate instead of a wife.

So Dis friends (if you're still with me...Thanks for reading) what should I do.

Don't spare my feelings....I'm a tough one;) I want to hear whatever you have to say.

:hug: You need a big hug. :hug:
Wow... I dont know. I would think he was cheating and wanted to go to this class to be with that woman. But really, I dont know. I dont think this relationship is all that healthy for your kids either.... even if he is just being a doo doo head. I feel bad for you. Maybe you should tell him that while he's gone you will be looking into alternate situations for yourself. When he asks what you mean, tell him you are not sure yet, but you want to think about the your life and your marriage and what the future will/should hold for you.
I'm so sorry. Nobody should live lonely.
 
Oh, I should clarify. My DH does NOT work with this women anymore. She is still in town, but no longer a coworker and he doesn't see her at work anymore.
 
As for the inappropriate internet viewings....

that isn't good especially since he is covering his tracks.

He might have a sexual addiction. (while for some porn is not bad--for others it can essentially rob them of their life as they use it as an outlet). You can google for more information on the internet to find out if his behavior seems to correspond to that of a sexual addict.

If that is a case--MC won't help. It won't help at all. It's another issue entirely and has to be dealt with him as a single patient--not you two as a couple.

If he does have that--it isn't your fault, but since it likely isn't being addressed at all in MC, that could be why he suddenly has been regressing.

I would not necessarily leave him as it is a separate issue, unless he is refusing to acknowledge it or do anything about it. Since it negatively impacts your marriage, it likely is a serious problem for him and he may not know it.

And like other addicts, it simply may require an intervention.


I apologizing for not addressing the rest of your post, but this really really jumped out at me.

If you want more information, feel free to PM me as I can speak to your more in a private setting as there is information I will not post on a public message board.

:hug::hug::hug:

And much love and luck to you!
 
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:grouphug: You asked if you were being a fool for staying. I don't think so. If he really is depressed, your leaving wouldn't be good for either of you (I'm no professional, just my opinion). Getting to the root of the problem would be a start - whatever it takes to do that should be the first step, I suppose.
 
First of all:

:hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:

I am so sorry to hear what you are going through..You are in one tough situation. I think when your gut is telling you something..no matter how horrible it is..you gotta listen.

Since your husband has depression problems, maybe his medication isn't working, or it isn't the right kind for him...Did he stop taking it? It's hard to say what is going on..

Something like this happened with my parents. My D stopped paying attention to my M. It was almost like they were friends. My m knew something was wrong..but didn't believe he could ever cheat on her. One day the mail came and she showed me something. It was something about a loan..so we investigated and found out he was having an affair, and bought this woman a car and cosigned on a house for her. My m knew something was wrong but didn't want to see it. My D had lost his mind for a bit too..we found out he dabbled in some drugs with the woman....which if you knew him..that would be shocking to you. He just went crazy for 6 months..They did work through it and are ok now and still married. He got sick and almost died..and I think that was a new beginning for him. He kept saying it was his karma.

But it happens..and you gotta be tough and stand up for you and your kids. It isn't a healthy lifestyle for you children to be around. YOur not an idiot for staying at this point. You love him. IT's not easy to just say "see ya". You care for him and what happens to him..your life has been with him. But, you can't stay in the situation you are in either..IT is not going to benefit anyone. Not a single person in your family is going to be happy. You can't ignore it and have it go away...because it won't. I think you have to do some soul searching and figure out exactly what your plan is. Do you threaten to leave? do you actually leave?

He could be very depressed because he feels guilty for what he is doing...or what he is doing could be caused because he is so depressed..Either way..you can't live your life this way. You matter too.

I don't think I helped ..but I just felt for you after reading your post I had to respond..I really hope you can work this out ..It is such a tough situation. :grouphug::grouphug:
 
Have you been able to see someone professionally alone to discuss you and your side? Depression is an awful thing and you need tools to learn how to live with it as well.

Anyway, I give you a lot of these: :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

No one likes to feel like a roommate in a marriage and you should NOT feel this way.
 
Okay im going to go in a totally different direction with this-and no i dont think he is cheating on you-but i do think he needs help. And you might be surprised to learn that he DOES care about you.
I have been seriously depressed-i had post partum that went undiagnosed for about 3 years-this was more than 20 years ago but the experience is still with me-i got so bad i was having serious physcotic episodes before it became something i understood i needed medical help for-and it took about two years of meds adn counciling for me to get strait.
now-about his issues-depression is giant black hole that eats your soul-and you reach a point where you hate yourself and dont understand how anyone else can love you-even if you love them. Lack of interest in sex and phantom-or not phantom phyiscal illnesses are part of the package. As for the inappropriate internet content-you reach a point where you are desperate to feel ANYTHING-good or bad-other than the self loathing. and he may be afraid that some things have stopped working altogether and its an effort to find out if thats true-he deletes the history because he doesnt want it to hurt you.
The desire for the work trip is probably an effort to isolate himself from everything familiar-trust me its easier to deal with the stuff inside you when you are away from everyone and everything you care about.
Bottom line-he desperately needs more medical help-if he has stopped the medication he was on abruptly that may have trigggered this slide-or those meds may not be working. Serious depression is a medical not mental issue-that needs treatment-he may need hospitalization. I disagree about the porn addiction because of the other cirucumstances. Leaving him now-will only deepen the hole he is in-he can get better-but not with out some serious help-and unless your marriage counselor is a full blown physicaiatrist-he or she wont be able to help. The place to start is with a medical doctor-and sooner rather than later is important. He may resist-but keep at it-its important for you and for him.
 
Love to you. And you can tell by your post that you are a very fair and loving person. I put this just in case the DIS tigers come out. And I feel as though you are smart to vent here. Because once you let your loved ones in - you've opened it up - well it will be tough for some of them to get these issues out of their head if you two come to a resolution.

I wrote out what I thought. But changed my mind. Because I don't want to put thoughts in your head that may or may not be the truth. Go to him.
 
As for the inappropriate internet viewings....

that isn't good especially since he is covering his tracks.

He might have a sexual addiction. (while for some porn is not bad--for others it can essentially rob them of their life as they use it as an outlet). You can google for more information on the internet to find out if his behavior seems to correspond to that of a sexual addict.

If that is a case--MC won't help. It won't help at all. It's another issue entirely and has to be dealt with him as a single patient--not you two as a couple.

If he does have that--it isn't your fault, but since it likely isn't being addressed at all in MC, that could be why he suddenly has been regressing.

I would not necessarily leave him as it is a separate issue, unless he is refusing to acknowledge it or do anything about it. Since it negatively impacts your marriage, it likely is a serious problem for him and he may not know it.

And like other addicts, it simply may require an intervention.


I apologizing for not addressing the rest of your post, but this really really jumped out at me.

If you want more information, feel free to PM me as I can speak to your more in a private setting as there is information I will not post on a public message board.

:hug::hug::hug:

And much love and luck to you!

We go to a psychotherapist. I don't know exactly what the differences are between the different "psych" therapies, but he was seeing her alone for a good part of last year. He went weekly then we would go together once a month. I am not certain, but I think she is qualified to treat/counsel for a sexual addiction. I will ask her when we go.

Thanks for your advice and info. It helps me to formulate questions for our visit with the therapist.
 
Love to you. And you can tell by your post that you are a very fair and loving person. I put this just in case the DIS tigers come out. And I feel as though you are smart to vent here. Because once you let your loved ones in - you've opened it up - well it will be tough for some of them to get these issues out of their head if you two come to a resolution.

I wrote out what I thought. But changed my mind. Because I don't want to put thoughts in your head that may or may not be the truth. Go to him.

I am in agreeement with this post.

I will just tell you my gut reaction after reading your post. I formulated this thought within about 2 minutes before I started to really analyze it:

He is having an affair, it is a continuing affair with the woman before. He is probably in love with her or he thinks he is but he is trying to stay in his marriage with his family. Staying in a marriage and being in love with someone else will definitely cause the despondancy you have described.

I do believe as lisaviolet posted that he had some issue recently that caused the drastic behavior.

Again, I could be WAY off base. I just wanted to tell you what my feelings were based on your post.
 
We go to a psychotherapist. I don't know exactly what the differences are between the different "psych" therapies, but he was seeing her alone for a good part of last year. He went weekly then we would go together once a month. I am not certain, but I think she is qualified to treat/counsel for a sexual addiction. I will ask her when we go.

Thanks for your advice and info. It helps me to formulate questions for our visit with the therapist.

That would be good, you can tell her your suspicions privately if you like and she could figure out a way to probe it.

If he has that, it can be a contributing factor to his depression.

I'll PM you with some additional info later.
 
...Since your husband has depression problems, maybe his medication isn't working, or it isn't the right kind for him...Did he stop taking it? It's hard to say what is going on....

...that's what I was going to say also...:confused3
 
It's sad that you distrust him enough to snoop and even sadder that he has earned that distrust. I really don't have a clue what you should do.

My standard marital advice is:

1) Respect your spouse. Show them respect when they are with you and when they are away.

2) Trust and be trustworthy.

3) Avoid major sources of stress. The two big ones that I see are money (people not saving enough or spending significant amounts without it being a group decision) and time (people having so many non-family activities that they don't have enough time for each other.

4) Have lots of physical relations. I think that we are wired to bond with people that we get physical with. Several times a week is a minimum.
 
just one other thing-be very careful-where and how and what you confront him with-being accused of an on going affair-or sex addiction-could drive someone who is really seriously depressed to being suicidal-when you already hate yourself, it doesnt take much.
 
My advice to him is that he should use two browsers. Run the one with the illicit sites in privacy mode so that nothing will go into history. Run the other in normal mode so that it will build a plausible history trail.

My advice to you, if you really must snoop, is to get a keyboard logger. It records every keystroke that he types.
 
www.survivinginfidelity.com

Please go here. Read the healing library. Read the forums and post a thread. You will get all the advice and support you need.

I am sorry for what you are going through. :hug:
 
I am in agreeement with this post.

I will just tell you my gut reaction after reading your post. I formulated this thought within about 2 minutes before I started to really analyze it:

He is having an affair, it is a continuing affair with the woman before. He is probably in love with her or he thinks he is but he is trying to stay in his marriage with his family. Staying in a marriage and being in love with someone else will definitely cause the despondancy you have described.

I do believe as lisaviolet posted that he had some issue recently that caused the drastic behavior.

Again, I could be WAY off base. I just wanted to tell you what my feelings were based on your post.

Sorry Christine and OP - I edited. And made things confusing.

Here is what my gut said. Only my gut. I think that your husband shows the ability to speak openly and deeply "my depression was never about you" etc. So has he given you any insight for his change in behaviour? Depression or not he should be able to provide some insight - even if it is "I'm struggling so much. I have no idea why at all. I know I'm withdrawing from you - given that he shows the ability to do so. This jumped out to me. That no insight was given. That's where my suspicision lies. And I'm not a suspicious person in nature. I'm on the other side. Good reason. Good sides of people to a fault.

And if the withdrawl feels the same as the last time to you - hmmm red flag to me. Ie. the reasons the last time.

I also have a gut reaction to the internet porn. Is this something that he would be HORRIFIED that you found out? I understand wanting to hide it but it didn't feel right to me. My gut again - it just felt like a cover up. I don't know why. Because his response made perfect sense. It just did.

I did wonder if the crying was about someone else. I did. But his "crying all day". Why would he share that if it was about someone else?

I find myself sighing for you. :lovestruc

I've backspaced ten times. I hope - what a bad word because this is a difficult outcome as well- that it is breaking down and not an affair. I say that because people can't help mental illness.

Love to you OP. And I don't think you're silly or whatever your word was for hanging on. This is your marriage and family. And you seem like you are open to all possibilities. Once again - go to him OP - go to him. And I agree with some others - if is severe depression - I would go in conversation and heart and not with accusations. Just in case.
 
:grouphug: You asked if you were being a fool for staying. I don't think so. If he really is depressed, your leaving wouldn't be good for either of you (I'm no professional, just my opinion). Getting to the root of the problem would be a start - whatever it takes to do that should be the first step, I suppose.

This is what I struggle with most. I feel that I should give him the benefit of the doubt and support him with his illness. Depression is runs deep within his family and I truly believe he IS depressed. I vowed in sickness and in health. HOWEVER, Infidelity is a huge deal breaker and thus begins the struggle.....sigh....

Thanks for you advice. It IS helpfull.
 
That is truly an awful position.:hug::hug::hug::hug::hug:

Honestly if my dh went away to a conference that he doesn't need to go to, 1100 miles away & spending money you don't have, I would have to say that a seperation is in order.

Now with his mental depression that certainly is scary however as a mother to children you have also got to protect yourself as well, esp. if has resumed his affair or is going to competely fall apart.

Right now from your description I would say he has resumed the affair since he is displaying the same behaviors. Obviously that could be totally wrong but it is not looking good.

I would began to prepare myself for divorce privately just in case. I am so sorry.:guilty::hug:
 


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