Please Help -- Concierge & non-guests?

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by Disneydenise
Oh PLEASE lock this

And why would one lock something that is being civil and discussing something ON TOPIC? If the thread bothers you then by all means skip it. Some things are so simple.

 

[Darian]

LvsTnk -

I think you're right on the money about this. Though the posters here on the DIS may respect "The Rules" and do their utmost to follow them, there is a certain element out there that does not. Lets just face it, you give some people an inch and they will take a mile. It seems to just be human nature, to a certain degree....

No post that I've read here even comes close to saying they want to "break the rules" and bring their 30 best (non concierge) friends over for a cold one in the concierge lounge. But to be honest here, we all know people who would do just that if they thought for a second they could get away with it. Skiwee1's nightmare scenario of booking one concierge room and another one (or more!) "regular" rooms resulting in a flood on non-conceirge guests in the lounge is all too possible. It would be the "tragedy of the Commons" all over again.

Of course, if everyone did the right thing, like CaipiraBob did and PAID for their guest, then this would never become a problem. For what it matters, CaipiraBob sounds like a real "stand up guy" to me and I respect him for doing it right.

I've stayed conceirge at Disney's Grand Californian. While we had a birthday/wedding anniversary party in our suite and had about 20 guests in our rooms, we let everyone know that the fun little (concierge) lounge down the hall was not the place to go. I'm sorry if I sound like a disney gestapo or something, but playing by the rules is what matters. Cheat and the magic is gone.

 

[Disneydenise]

Because this is not the debate board and these things just always turn into the righteous vs the evil doers. There is an element in our society that feels it is there duty to try to get away with anything they can and then there are the few who ask an innocent question and they are treated as if they are pond scum. Me thinks the righteous protest too much. I couldn't even think of half the sceniarios some folks come up let alone carry them out. I guess I find that life is complicated enough so I will just play by the rules and well those that don't I am not in the mood to be Jiminy Cricket tonight.

 

[pollyanna]

Originally posted by Disneydenise
then there are the few who ask an innocent question and they are treated as if they are pond scum.

I honestly do not think the original poster is being treated as "pond scum"
An innocent question was asked.....lots of polite opinions were given. But I agree with someone who said, you wouldn't ask a "guest" along to a buffet and expect them to eat for free because you paid for yours, Same difference.

 

[Fridye]

What a HOT topic! I had no idea I would start such a furor. After reading all the opinions, I believe we should place our trust in the concierge staff to keep their guests happy. And you freeloaders out there -- don't get any ideas from this discussion!

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by Disneydenise
Because this is not the debate board and these things just always turn into the righteous vs the evil doers. There is an element in our society that feels it is there duty to try to get away with anything they can and then there are the few who ask an innocent question and they are treated as if they are pond scum. Me thinks the righteous protest too much. I couldn't even think of half the sceniarios some folks come up let alone carry them out. I guess I find that life is complicated enough so I will just play by the rules and well those that don't I am not in the mood to be Jiminy Cricket tonight.

My goodness, the only nasty things I've seen so far are in your post. Let's see... we have evil doers, the righteous, pond scum. This is not a debate but a civil discussion on trying to help the OP out with a question she has. We have good ideas and valid concerns. No biggie. The only one that has a problem with that is YOU. So maybe you should just skip the thread. Talk about self righteous and protesting too much.......

 

[gepetto]

Originally posted by Disneydenise
Oh PLEASE lock this

Armchair moderating at its best.

 

[gepetto]

Originally posted by Darian

Of course, if everyone did the right thing, like CaipiraBob did and PAID for their guest, then this would never become a problem. For what it matters, CaipiraBob sounds like a real "stand up guy" to me and I respect him for doing it right.

Yes he does sound like a stand up guy to me as well. I applaud him too.

 

[CaipiraBob]

Thanks, Skiwee

I hope I didn't overreact. I easily admit that I might have - I really need this upcoming vacation!

At any rate, I had said this in another thread, with all the people who got upgraded from CBr to poly, I'm hoping we're going to be surrounded by a ton a of people already in the "Disney magic" mood. Can't wait....the countdown continues


Hope everyone has a great trip!

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by CaipiraBob
Thanks, Skiwee

I hope I didn't overreact. I easily admit that I might have - I really need this upcoming vacation!

At any rate, I had said this in another thread, with all the people who got upgraded from CBr to poly, I'm hoping we're going to be surrounded by a ton a of people already in the "Disney magic" mood. Can't wait....the countdown continues


Hope everyone has a great trip!

We all need a vacation or we wouldn't be here, right? I am also going to be surrounded by CBR refugees this October as this will be our first stay at the Poly. We have done CBR twice. WL once, and now the Poly. I only wish I was one of those refugees and got a really cheap rate! LOL! I did get in on a great AP rate though and it is only costing me $205 a night. I am sure everyone will be having a great time there no matter what the price. Have a nice trip!!

 

[Fridye]

Originally posted by skiwee1: "The only one that has a problem with that is YOU. So maybe you should just skip the thread. Talk about self righteous and protesting too much......."

Disneydenise didn't direct her message to you. I'm dissapointed that you responded this way. I believe you owe her an apology.

The posting guidelines state: "Messages that are argumentative or sarcastic in nature will be deleted without discussion."

 

[LvsTnk]

skiwee1, that is still a great rate have an awesome time!!

You too CaipiraBob!

 

[gepetto]

Originally posted by Fridye
I believe you owe her an apology.

The posting guidelines state: "Messages that are argumentative or sarcastic in nature will be deleted without discussion."

More armchair moderating. I'm sure that if posting guidelines are broken that an ACTUAL moderator will deal with it.

 

[Darian]

Originally posted by Kathy5
Let me get this straight-it's okay for me to spend (let's use any number) $200 a night for a standard room at the Beach Club and have a family member visit for a few hours. But, it's not alright for me to spend $300 for concierge and have the benefit of having the same family member visit in the lounge for an hour or two.

Many of you seem to be visualizing freakish, unmannered relatives who hover madly around the dessert table in the concierge lounge. I'm simply talking about having a cup of tea in the lounge before going outside to chat.
Kathy5

Kathy5 - I really enjoyed your post! Your comments about "freakish, unmannered relatives" was a much needed injection of humor into this thread. My DW heard me laughing and had to see what was up. (Visions of ill dressed locusts in human form descending on the food... oh the shame... the horror! Its my cousin George!!! arrrggghhh!!)

You raise some very legitimate points. There is an expectation that Conceirge guests will behave with a certain decorum, an expectation that you clearly followed. I see nothing at all wrong in bringing in one person to the lounge for a cup of tea, or even a glass of wine.

Even so, the concern other posters have raised is that IF one non-concierge guest is let in, then what is to stop that from growing to a dozen or more? I honestly don't think that is going to be a realistic problem due to needing a room key to gain entrance to the lounge. (Is that blind optimism on my part?) Of more concern to me (and was raised by my DW this morning) are the concierge guests who come into the lounge, pile up HUGE plates of food, strip the lounge clean, then return to their rooms. (a heated topic of other threads.)

Communications and education could be the real answers here - MORE "Jiminy Crickets" are needed to kindly, gently, politely spread the word on what sort of behavior is acceptable. Maybe a little conduct guide from disney? Courtesy is a wonderful thing. Its something we should insist upon, and practice ourselves. I realize how silly this sounds, simplistic and naive, but I have no wish to let the rude, inconsiderate and selfish behavior of some (NOT a reference to anyone in this thread!) become the accepted norm for behavior. If we don't stand up, this will happen.

Darian

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by Fridye
Originally posted by skiwee1: "The only one that has a problem with that is YOU. So maybe you should just skip the thread. Talk about self righteous and protesting too much......."

Disneydenise didn't direct her message to you. I'm dissapointed that you responded this way. I believe you owe her an apology.

The posting guidelines state: "Messages that are argumentative or sarcastic in nature will be deleted without discussion."

How would you know who she directed her post at? Did she say? Did I miss that part? Nope. I think she should be apologizing.......... Nothing in my post was argumentive. As a matter of fact, I used her words from her post. Just some advice that if you do not like the thread feel free to ignore it. A simple concept.

 

[Disneydenise]

Skiwee this is Fridye's thread.

 

[skiwee1]

Originally posted by Disneydenise
Skiwee this is Fridye's thread.

I know that. I was responding to my quote she quoted from my post to you. Oh never mind!!!! I just didn't think this thread was turning into the debate you were talking about. Yes there are threads that do turn out that way but not all. We were giving constructive advice and discussing it very matter of factly. It bothers me when someone wants to lock a thread when it is going along just fine. I don't think you have even particpated in the thread before saying it should be locked. No one here was treating the OP like pond scum and none of us were acting better then anyone else. We were just talking. That's all.

 

[LvsTnk]

The only ownership to a thread is to have it locked which Fridye is free to do as the OP. There are no rules that say answer the question the way I want or don't post.

Darian, the only thing I have a problem with is this, if I am paying extra for a concierge room I would like to be able to go to the lounge and find a seat. If I am paying for a regular room I would like to be able to find a space to park at my resort or a chair to sit in at the pool. If it's busy that's one thing if it is people that are not staying at that resort that's another. You do have a point about people filling up plates of food. The lounges will simply stop putting so much out. Saw this first hand over the 4th at the Polynesian.

I have relatives joining us at Christmas and it would be very simple to have them get a regular room and join us in the lounge, we chose not to do that.

Getting off my righteous soapbox now

 

[Trekker]

Guess what - "a real moderator" showed up.....

This thread is history.....

I'm getting tired of having to lock threads on what should be a fun loving board about Disney Resorts