Please, have a LITTLE consideration

[disneyjunkie]

Originally posted by BibbidyBobbidyBoo

If you are saying you just come early and get an aisle seat and sit your daughter next to the stranger on the other side of you- then no, you aren't keeping others from seeing the show.

April said this in her first post. I don't why you had to go on and on and on and on...just to end up saying the same thing she said from the start.

I do the same thing that April does. I sit on the end and my son sits next to the stranger. This way when he has to go to the bathroom (and I know that he'll have to go) he doesn't have to climb across anyone to get out.


As for the shows at WDW, if someone doesn't want to sit on the end, they can just step to the side, let others in front of them then find a seat. I think this is better than taking a seat in the middle of the row and having everyone climb across you to get to the end of the row.

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

My posts were not only speaking in reference of or to April. I was speaking about how EVERYONE tends to leave space between them and strangers -and if they don't want to scoot (over to one side or center or wherever WDW or DCL asks them to)- then some guests won't get to see the show... if they can't sit one or two people next to one another since they have children.
And those that can- have to crawl over those that refuse to move (referring to the other poster who mentioned DCL asking them to move to center and her refusal as well as mentioning no one else in the theatre appeared to do as asked either).

I think I did get confused thinking April was defending the practice of leaving a seat or two in between guests instead of only sitting on the end with daughter next to the "stranger"- and that is why I mentioned that in my last post when I edited it when I NOTICED that she'd said that.... but apparently that wasn't enough. She's pointed it out and now you have also got "onto" me for that. I already stated if that is what she meant then I'm not talking about her... I think I got it confused because were we talking about keeping a seat on the end? Was anyone saying that was inconsiderate of others? I know I wasn't saying that if your butt is sitting in an end seat that you shouldn't be able to keep it- especially if willing to get up and let others in to use seats available on that row. I can understand some people would want the end seats. I think that's easy to fix- when DCL requests for everyone to move to the center- the parties on the ends that want or need aisle seats get up and let others in the row.
Bingo- no problem.

Sorry for any confusion or if I offended you April. But my going "on and on" wasn't only talking about/to you.

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

Ps. I'm truly sorry if any of my "ramblings" or long postings of my opinion on this matter on this thread has offended or upset/etc. anyone! I truly didn't mean to.
I am not one to EVER save things like pool chairs, hammocks, etc. I wouldn't even if I was leaving for 15min to go have lunch! It's just not my nature and I don't think it's right when those things are in such a limited supply to have it saved while I do something else when someone else could be enjoying the use of it and paid just like I did....
I just had no idea that the saving seats also applied to the shows. And it really changes our plans for our cruise... because as a family of 5 I had intended on their possibly being times where DH or I (either) might go make sure we have seats for us with our kids (either 5 together or 2 together & 3 together) while I finish getting the kids ready for dinner or he may go with the children while I'm getting ready (because it usually takes me the longest- I get everyone ready and THEN start on my own hair/makeup/etc.) and had no idea this was going to be an issue. It wouldn't have been for "prime" or choice seats- as I've mentioned before. But apparently no matter where it is- saving seats isn't allowed... and there's going to be a possibility of us missing the shows because apparently even when DCL asks for the guests to move to the center to allow for others to see the show- they won't/don't.
We have late dinner seating and had planned on dressing "appropriately" for all dinners including (but not limited to) formal/semi formal/etc. I figured we'd get ready for those dinners before seeing the shows before dinner.
I don't know what we'll do now.... since saving seats isn't allowed in the theatre. That can make it real hard on a family. Because I can tell you right now... even if I go to the effort to start earlier and get us all ready in time to go EARLY and all sit down in the theatre before it starts filling up with people to ensure we get good seats... my evening is going to be ruined. I'll be stressing out trying to keep the kids entertained during that time AND during the show because they'll be tired of sitting there by that time. Or we'll have to leave and miss part of the show if they get disruptive because of having to sit there for awhile before the show started. And I'm just the type that it will ruin the entire evening for me- dinner and all.
So now I have to consider just forgetting the whole show/movie thing for us all together- and then it kinda makes the cruise seem VERY expensive all the sudden... one less "amenity" that our family can enjoy...

So anyway- it caught me by surprise and I went on&on about it- sorry.

 

[NCRedding]

OK some random thoughts on this long thread: I've been on 4 DCL cruises, and NEVER had a problem with seating. On the last one, with my extended family, we had a plan to sit to the right side of the theatre where the seat break is located. At each of the shows, we did this, and never had to "save seats" We usually picked the end of 3 rows so that we weren't stretched out along the row, but clustered together. It also helps others since we're all over 5'10" with the exception of SIL who is a petite 5'2" and looks lost in the land of the giants. I know it may seem easy to "slouch" but as a tall shy individual most of my life, you would not believe how uncomfortable it is to slouch during a movie--nothing like seeing a show and then having to see a chiropractor. Besides, we have never had a bad seat.

I am guilty of pulling a chair into the edge of the water to enjoy the cool water on a hot day. I don't think I blocked anyone, but if I did, I apologize.

It is impossible to micromanage ones' vacation. (I don't mean plan--I am one of the many planners among this group--I mean trying to manage and cover every bit of the trip) If you think that you can plan out EVERYTHING and have it work perfectly, you will be disappointed. We had one poster on this board who tried to micromanage everything on her cruise (and I mean EVERYTHING) only to find that 2 days prior, the trip was cancelled. Stress is a result of unfullfilled expectations, or lack of control over things. If you go with the flow, and RELAX, DCL will give you the most relaxing and special vacation that you can imagine. If you try to control everything, Good Luck--you're going to need it.

Finally, I remember reading one time in Emily Post or Miss Manners that it is just as rude to point out someone else's lapse of manners, as it is to have a lapse of manners. We never know the true story behind another's behavior, and we really can't change anyone else's behavior. It is doubtful that the rude person will ever learn anything from our comments, or even recognize themselves in the comment. On our trip to the UK, I was being to get perturbed by all these people going the wrong way on steps, sidewalks, etc.--until I realized I was the one going the "wrong" way--It's keep right in the USA, keep left in the UK.

Getting my fire extinguisher out.

 

[Chattyaholic]

BibbidyBobbidyBoo: Well, you won't be "stepping on my feet" or "putting your butt in my face" as you step over me to get to the center seats....I'd be more than happy to stand up and let you pass by, no problem!

What annoys me is when people (myself and family included) make the effort to get to the Walt Disney Theater before the doors are opened, stand in line and wait, and once the doors are open we choose the seats we WANT TO SIT IN and patiently wait for the show to start in 30 minutes, then to have them make the announcement about people moving to the center to leave the aisle seats open for "late comers"....blah blah blah....nope, not gonna do it. And like I said, nobody else did either. The late-comers can have the seats that are OPEN, regardless of where they are in the theater.

And as far as you or your DH going early and saving 4 seats for your family, I personally see no problem with that. I can understand that it is difficult with children to have them all ready at the same time, or with real little ones to be sitting for 30 minutes before the show even starts, then be expected to sit still and quiet for another hour during the show. I'm sure others feel that "no seat saving" means just that. People will never agree on that unfortunately. What I don't like is one person trying to save a WHOLE ROW of seats for their own family, plus other families as well. That's a little bit much I think.

 

[BibbidyBobbidyBoo]

The late-comers can have the seats that are OPEN, regardless of where they are in the theater.

I agree with you- about using seats that are open regardless of where they are in the theater.... as long as that is viable for their family. If they are a family of 5 and need atleast 2 together and 3 together and none are available like that- I hope SOMEONE in the theater will have the kindness to scoot one way or the other to allow that type of seating- whichever way they choose (maybe they would not prefer to sit closer to center/etc.)- otherwise the only other option is for us to sit away from our child or to not see the show at all.

And as far as you or your DH going early and saving 4 seats for your family, I personally see no problem with that. I can understand that it is difficult with children to have them all ready at the same time, or with real little ones to be sitting for 30 minutes before the show even starts, then be expected to sit still and quiet for another hour during the show. I'm sure others feel that "no seat saving" means just that. People will never agree on that unfortunately. What I don't like is one person trying to save a WHOLE ROW of seats for their own family, plus other families as well. That's a little bit much I think.

I totally agree with you- with what you see no problem with and what you don't like/think is a bit much. Totally agree!

 

[Cindyluwho]

Originally posted by mickeygirl18976

"My almost 10YO DD does it best. She will say to me in a loud (intensional voice) "that child (or that person) doesn't care about anyone else, does he/she? Don't they know other people exsist on this planet besides themselves." In a not rude or disrespectful manner she will politely tell someone off for not using proper elevator etiquette. (you know, wait until people get off the elevator before you push your way on- I think it has been one too many times of her being trampled) I don't want her growing up to be a loud mouth, yell at everyone type of person but there is no reason for her to be walked all over. And God help you if you burp in public and don't say excuse me. (a whole other story) Just think how those rude people must drive."

I hope you remind your daughter that proper etiquette also dictates that we do not make other people feel ashamed for their lack of manners. Rudeness is NEVER acceptable in any situation. A simple "please excuse me, I need to get off on this floor." Any simpleton should get the hint to make room. You don't need to teach your child to be a door mat, but don't give up on manners, either. If I heard some opinionated child belittle someone for their lack of manners I'd be hard pressed not to tell her that I, unlike her parents, believe in spanking and that she/he deserves one! I wouldn't say it out loud, but I'd sure be thinking it and I'd make sure my child steared completely clear of a child like that!

 

[hometech99]

i thought i was the only one who got mad at the rudeness (at least my DW seems to think so!)

we were in front of Star Tours at the Jedi Training stage, waiting to approach the rail at the stage.

my 2 liitle boys were in front waiting.

a large woman and her large teenage daughter started to our right. (3 oclock position).

5 minutes later, 2 o clock.
5 more minutes 1 oclock.

5 minutes later, right in front of them.

Face it folks.

Disney has people from all socioeconomic backgrounds at its parks and places. you're kidding yourself if you think they're all going to be polite and considerate.

if they're not going to be, you're going to have to play their way, or let them trample your expensive (possibly once in a lifetime) vacation.


the woman who took an extra chair for her stuff when another woman was waiting to sit there should immediatley had a CM there to tell the hog no way-chairs are for people.

 

[Mysticalbeauty3]

Personally i thought a couple of the posts were kinda nasty and assumptions were made about parents who let their kids in the mickey when not potty trained....i have not been on the cruise with my infant yet but going on may 20th land/sea....i think that DCL should have thought of this before and made a seperate pool for infants or something because they have alittle ear....with an inch of water in it which is fine...but the bigger kids are still going into! ban the older kids from the ear if the infants cant go in their part!....it makes no sense if the parents are letting their children jump into the "contaminated" part then why are they banning infants from the pool if it doesnt matter anyway....just my opinion....and as of the whole hammock deal and chair deal....saving a hammock i can see...a chair on the ship i dont agree with....and people kicking sand on you? its a beach its going to happen...im sure people dont do it purposely you know?? very true people could be more considerate and watch what they are doing...but they are on vacation and excited instead of picking out all the negativity arent you supposed to be letting it all go and enjoying your time?

 

[aprilgail2]

This thread had died out months ago...why bump it back to the top now along with 2 others just like it!

 

[Dreamer04]

When I saw this thread on page one, Ijust had to reply.

This past Feb, on the Magic, I experienced several situations that were mentioned.

First-the chairs by the pool. When DD and I went to either the Mickey or Goofy pools, I would stand around for a bit and keep an eye out for a chair that had been "saved" for a while. There were always at least two next to each other like that. I would go over and move the stuff from one to the other. My DD and I shared the chair.

The Theatre-My family and I saved seats for each other. There were six of us. After dinner,(we had early seating), while the rest of us made a restroom stop, one of our party would find 6 seats together.

And as for the the moving a chair ahead of the "line"? I have lived by the beach for most of my life. My mom did this and so do I. I put my sand chair right in the water. My DD is safe and happy.

I have never showed up with a bunch of people and sat down in front of others. If there was going to be a bunch of us, we always headed down early and got as close to the water as possible. To watch the kids.

 

[Mysticalbeauty3]

it might have come out wrong....my infant is still not going into the micky pool because there are parents out there who do watch their kids and what part they swim in for their own health and i wouldnt want to ruin the fun for them

 

[Mysticalbeauty3]

well obviously people still have things to say about it....just because in your opinion it died to others it hasnt...i just had some 2 cents to add....i havnt seen this thread yet and just saw it for the first time today and wanted to post my opinion! just as many other people also

 

[hometech99]

tell her, Misty!

i cant stand forum snobs who think that if your not in the "in" forum crowd, dont bother posting!

 

[Dreamer04]

Originally posted by Mysticalbeauty3
have alittle ear....with an inch of water in it which is fine...but the bigger kids are still going into! ban the older kids from the ear if the infants cant go in their part

I totally agree! My DD 6, tried to go into the ear reserved for infants, and a parent told her-very politely- that she wasn't allowed. I told her this before she went in, but she just had to try it! I thanked that parent.

There is a sign-I believe-posted that only infants are allowed in that ear.

Enjoy your vacation. You'll find exactly the kind of people that you want to find on the ship. I know I did.

 

[CRSNDSNY]

Originally posted by NCRedding
Finally, I remember reading one time in Emily Post or Miss Manners that it is just as rude to point out someone else's lapse of manners, as it is to have a lapse of manners. We never know the true story behind another's behavior, and we really can't change anyone else's behavior. It is doubtful that the rude person will ever learn anything from our comments, or even recognize themselves in the comment.

Thank you!

 

[CRSNDSNY]

Originally posted by hometech99
tell her, Misty!

i cant stand forum snobs who think that if your not in the "in" forum crowd, dont bother posting!

 

[hometech99]

im sorry CRSNDSNY

i know i shouldnt post when its past midnight, im dead tired, and DS isnt home yet (too cranky).

 

[CRSNDSNY]

Originally posted by hometech99
im sorry CRSNDSNY

i know i shouldnt post when its past midnight, im dead tired, and DS isnt home yet (too cranky).

 

[CheapMom]

Finally, I remember reading one time in Emily Post or Miss Manners that it is just as rude to point out someone else's lapse of manners, as it is to have a lapse of manners. We never know the true story behind another's behavior, and we really can't change anyone else's behavior. It is doubtful that the rude person will ever learn anything from our comments, or even recognize themselves in the comment.

That is an excellent quote- Just the other day I did something that I know everyone around me thought was very rude but I had to do it and I couldn't explain to everyone why I was doing it.
I was in a crowded place and my daughter took her medication with the last swallow of water from our water bottle- well the pill got stuck in her throat and she was gagging and trying to swallow it but had a lump in her throat from the pill- There was no water fountain and the line for the ladies room was 30p people long. I hurried right past all the people in line and into the bathroom to fill the water bottle from the sink.
As I was passing people- I was saying " sorry, sorry, I am just going to the sink, sorry, sorry" but I know people were peeved at me. I don't blame vthem- it just goes to show- you never know the whole story.