Please do not post copy cat VMK sites - First post Updated 5/1

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Sorry, it doesn't make sense that you're angry with me, I'm only stating my opinion. I am not the 'bad guy' here.
I saw the website, I've seen his info. That doesn't change my mind about the site being poorly done. I don't know his age, but I know the graphics are sub-par.
I have no need to search through anyone else's site. I do not know the person who claims not to be able to log on vmk. All I said was it could be coincidence, I do not have all the facts. There may be another reason this person is having trouble logging on vmk. I don't know. That is all I said.
I don't see how you can say "you're angry with me". I believe that you cannot read inflection from a post, email or IM. I feel if you read my post again you will find more of a facetious tone in the last statement than anything. I am actually angered now for being told I was being angry. That was uncalled for and I really would like an apology for your post.


If you see the post that I had on page 2
I'm not quite sure how it is done personally.
I do know that a long standing member of another fan site and long time member of VMK after signing up at that site has found her VMK account 'terminated' by VMK.
Coincidence? Possibly.
But one can never every be too careful.
I said the EXACT same thing you said above...quite possibly coincidence.


But your statement of:
It could very well be coincidence. Please do not spread rumors, we need to see facts. Thanks!
I was saying there are facts if you want them. I was responding to your call for facts. One cannot ask for something (facts supporting a claim), receive information (albeit not completely clear as I do not believe the mods would appreciate the full URL of another fansite's listing) and then say "I have no need to search through anyone else's site. I do not know the person who claims not to be able to log on vmk. All I said was it could be coincidence, I do not have all the facts. There may be another reason this person is having trouble logging on vmk. I don't know. That is all I said."

I do not offer hearsay, but what the person going through this situation has posted. I believe I can speak for DisLori's intent, and know my intent is that we cannot be, never be, too careful. Whether this person's website will come to fruition, be a scam to get viable email addresses to sale the database to the highest bidder, or be for more nefarious plans we will find out later. Right now, just use good common sense. Protect your email address as you do your physical address and phone number.

That is what the bottom line to all these posts are...be careful. Your post before reiterates the same theme:
Always protect your personal info! always...

Safety is what this thread was started by the mods to promote, and what the posters are trying to convey.

:goodvibes
 
I will abide by the rules of this forum. I have no problems with that.

What I encourage the users of this forum to do is to stop and think, before you lash out with hasty generalizations. Think about what was collected from you (if you signed up for the beta from this unnamed site). It wasn't much was it? It was less info than you had to give to sign up for Disney's VMK right?

Also, try and keep an open mind about what you believe are scams. Tell me a SINGLE reason as to how a "scammer" would benefit by guessing your password to VMK and stealing all of your virtual items (which will be absolutely worthless in a month). Heck, I should give out my vmk password so you all can take my stuff, because it just ... doesn't ... matter anymore. [warning kids, don't actually do this. ;) ]

I've been getting PMs from many people telling me that Aengus says the site is a scam and that I shouldn't be extolling the virtues of it, so let me clear this up right here and now. I am in no way affiliated. I have never met any of the designers or the creator. I can't find anywhere where Aengus comes out and says the site is a scam, so don't twist words.

You have no idea how important communication is with me between my 2 daughters that can't live with me. You have no idea how much money I would send Disney to keep VMK open (hint: it would be more than your yearly salary), but guess what? VMK is closing. It is. So my point is, is that an option of going to another site after VMK closes holds high importance to me.

I have not thrown all my eggs into a single basket. I have literally tried all of the massive multiplayer games over the past 2 weeks, and None fit the mold that VMK has created. The site that we can't name, is just another option for me to try. And Jesus, I hope it is decent because ... well ... you have no idea.

Kurt Boyer
BlueHairedMonkey

Kurt, I'm totally with you :hug:

(Wow, I've now hugged Aengus AND Monkey... what's going on????) ;)
 
I will abide by the rules of this forum. I have no problems with that.

What I encourage the users of this forum to do is to stop and think, before you lash out with hasty generalizations. Think about what was collected from you (if you signed up for the beta from this unnamed site). It wasn't much was it? It was less info than you had to give to sign up for Disney's VMK right?

Also, try and keep an open mind about what you believe are scams. Tell me a SINGLE reason as to how a "scammer" would benefit by guessing your password to VMK and stealing all of your virtual items (which will be absolutely worthless in a month). Heck, I should give out my vmk password so you all can take my stuff, because it just ... doesn't ... matter anymore. [warning kids, don't actually do this. ;) ]

I've been getting PMs from many people telling me that Aengus says the site is a scam and that I shouldn't be extolling the virtues of it, so let me clear this up right here and now. I am in no way affiliated. I have never met any of the designers or the creator. I can't find anywhere where Aengus comes out and says the site is a scam, so don't twist words.

You have no idea how important communication is with me between my 2 daughters that can't live with me. You have no idea how much money I would send Disney to keep VMK open (hint: it would be more than your yearly salary), but guess what? VMK is closing. It is. So my point is, is that an option of going to another site after VMK closes holds high importance to me.

I have not thrown all my eggs into a single basket. I have literally tried all of the massive multiplayer games over the past 2 weeks, and None fit the mold that VMK has created. The site that we can't name, is just another option for me to try. And Jesus, I hope it is decent because ... well ... you have no idea.

Kurt Boyer
BlueHairedMonkey


What a classy cowboy! :hug:
 
You have no idea how important communication is with me between my 2 daughters that can't live with me. You have no idea how much money I would send Disney to keep VMK open (hint: it would be more than your yearly salary), but guess what? VMK is closing. It is. So my point is, is that an option of going to another site after VMK closes holds high importance to me.

I have not thrown all my eggs into a single basket. I have literally tried all of the massive multiplayer games over the past 2 weeks, and None fit the mold that VMK has created. The site that we can't name, is just another option for me to try. And Jesus, I hope it is decent because ... well ... you have no idea.

I actually do have SOME idea. To a very small degree, granted, but enough to have an inkling of the torture that you must go through. I know that really doesn't help...just wanted to let you know that someone gets it, at least a little.

I'm rooting so, so hard for this to work, also. For my son and his grandma. For me and my sisters. And for you and your girls.

There are several reasons why I don't think it's a scam. Will it be up to Disney standards? Maybe not, but I've come to realize that few besides Disney can provide that. Hence the term "Disney standards." Will it be far more limited than VMK? Absolutely. I'm not expecting a full-fledged, fully functioning game from day one. I'm willing to be patient. And f it turns out to be worth my time, I will do what I can to help it succeed.

For the moment, I'm just thankful for hope and possibility.
 

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All my friends are fighting in here @_@


Please everyone bumps are nice, but please its pointless now for us all to get up in arms over it. Please excercise caution is all we ask and not just for any one particular place.
 
:(

All my friends are fighting in here @_@


Please everyone bumps are nice, but please its pointless now for us all to get up in arms over it. Please excercise caution is all we ask and not just for any one particular place.

Here Here Aengus, and with that being said..I think we have gathered enough "information" For people to make their OWN decisions on supplying a simple Email address at a shot for a promising alternitive.
I don't really think we need to "beat" the safty horse any longer.
Let people come to their own untainted decisions. I really think in this case the worst that can happen is it is a site run by a smart kid trying to see how many "Suckers" he can get to sign up.
Other than that like Cowboy I can only REALLY hope that it is going to be a legit venture.

Cowboy, your post was heartbreaking :( I really REALLY hope you can find another alternitive to VMK for the sake of you and your girls :)
 
I resent the implications that my post was anything other then a statement of fact. My friend joined that site and now cannot get on vmk. That is all I said, end of story. You can draw your own conclusions.

A rumor is "an unverified account or explanation of events circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or issue in public concern."
 
My friend joined that site and now cannot get on vmk.

And that is exactly why the moderators are urging caution on everyone's part.

I, too, joined that site, but have had no problems. I *did* encounter some problems when doing a google search on their name. Two responses that I clicked on were blocked by my computer because of a detected virus.

I hope your friend can get the computer problems resolved and join us back on VMK. :)
 
I registered and have had no problems getting on vmk. However they say they are out of New Mexico and give a phone number to be contacted at for further questions. I did a reverse look up and the number is a Florida number for some company.. I find that fishy..
 
I registered and have had no problems getting on vmk. However they say they are out of New Mexico and give a phone number to be contacted at for further questions. I did a reverse look up and the number is a Florida number for some company.. I find that fishy..

My brother and sister in law have lived in Arizona for almost 2 1/2 years now and they have Washington Cell phones. They do not even have an Arizona land line. Its not weird to have a phone number in another state. They moved here from Washington and wanted their respective parents to be able to call them free.
 
This will be my last post regarding the subject of this new online virtual world venture since I don't feel the need to explain myself further, or go back and forth with others who may not agree. There have been some attacking statements between parties because each party had a different point of view (This post and previous post). Initially, I wanted to respond to some statements with attacking statements right back, but decided to take a few steps back (hours and day) to think about my response. This new online virtual world venture maybe a legitimate business and only time will tell, but numerous times I have requested people move forward cautiously. Don't consider it a complete scam until people can look further into the legitimacy of this virtual world. If the person who registered the domain is truly the same developer I have researched online then they are a well established person in the developer community. Like many of you vmk'ers here I am hoping this moves forward with no apparent issues as I also loved Virtual Magic Kingdom. It gave me plenty of stress relief from work, and brought me to place I truly enjoy but cannot visit everyday (Walt Diseny World). Here are some precautions I would have taken although registration is now closed:

(A) If your "vmk character name/title" within the game is the same as your "account name" utilized to logon then I recommend using some other title registering for this new online virtual world. Although, Your password is not given just a safety precaution for you. The other person who cannot logon I believe is just a coincidence especially since so many others can still logon. They should contact disney and state their account has been wrongfully terminated...This happened with me and Disney Movie Rewards not too long ago, where they terminated many of my accounts but re-established them after long discussions with technical support. This took many phone calls by the way until I reached the right person.

(B) If your "email address" is the same as your "account name" I recommend creating another email account on a website like google/yahoo/etc. Although, Once again your password is not given just another safety precaution especially since most of you utilize your email address for other disney affiliate sites and elsewhere. I have numerous reasons why you shouldn't utilize your everyday email listed below, so I won't repeat that information again here.

There are many reasons why I had concerns about this new online virtual world which I didn't get into full length discussions yesterday. Sorry to quote Aengus here but its short and sweet "Our main concern at the moment is not that anyone tried to steal anyones password. I just think skepticism is warranted for a site to pop up, look like vmk, smell like vmk, but NOT be vmk. Lets see how Disney feels about their patents being clearly violated before we all jump on board". Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and also entitled to make their own decisions regarding this new online world venture. As previously stated numerous times please use caution, and here are some of my reasons why I am personally cautious about this new online virtual world venture:

(1) There was no legitimate business name anywhere, especially after I requested this information on numerous posts. What does this allow us to do? It allows for people to investigate further the legitimacy of their business venture through sites such as the Better Business Bureau, Federal Trade Commission, Securities & Exchange Commission. You know exactly what your getting with disney...I did see a corporation name there today though, but did not yesterday eventhough I could still not find out more about this business even after visiting their other website.

(2) When you typed your first name, vmk character and email address within the form and clicked submit you could have left these fields completely blank. Well established developers and business forms would not have allowed you to click submit unless you input some information within these fields.

(3) Previously, I made numerous comments and posts about providing your every day email address. To many spam may not be a big deal but if you utilize that email address for business, friends, relative purposes spam can be a pretty big deal trying to decipher real email from spam email (Even with spam filters). My main concern around providing your every day email address was more towards receiving emails containing numerous potential virus threats, especially with providing your email address to an unestablished company that nobody really knows about yet. There are so many inviduals out there that perform banking, shopping, etc on their home computers and Virus threats such as malware, phishing, spyware are not to be taken lightly. Especially, For those individuals that save their passwords locally on their computer and feel they are truly safe. Is saving your password recommended, absolutely not but people still do it. People also have too much faith regarding their firewall (software/hardware), virus application, etc. Professional hackers will find ways to bypass these safety features, just like a professional car thief can steal your car no matter what security system you have within 60 seconds. Never download an appication, open attachments through email, open hyperlinks from individuals/companies/applications that your unsure of. Identify theft can be very serious, and very difficult for the victim to recover from. I have seen this too many times architecting/engineering/implementing/supporting Microsoft Exchange 5.5/2000/2003 the past 10 years. You don't have to take my words of advice, but perform your own research online regarding malware, phishing, spam, and spyware to determine how you could be affected. There are very well known virus software companies that discuss these such topics. Many believe this cannot happen to them, but just over the past month it happened to another vmk'er, and once again I have seen it numerous times in the corporate world.

(4) The "About us" section specifically stated they have been working for the past 8 months expanding their expertise in social networks and three dimensional online environments. They also created this next generation virtual world originally developed for use in business applications. When I personally reviewed their web page using such tools as "Who Is" I noticed the website was created through godaddy on April 7, 2008. It personally concerned me because this web page was generated right after the announcement of vmk's closing. Also, If people felt this could have been a successful venture why not create months if not years ago, not after an announcement of vmk closing. Something about the timing here concerned me...

(5) The person who registered this domain had it registered with their own personal information. Typcially, Many corporations who register their domains have their company names affiliated to the domain registration (disney.com has Disney Enterprises, Inc). I only used disney here since this forum revolves around disney, but I have also looked up domain names for many of my friends companies that have 5-100 employees. All my friends domains where registered under their company names. There is no reason for having a domain registered with your personal information unless its only for personal use, and instead should have it registered under your company name. This kind of goes inline with my first concern above where people can look further into that business. You know exactly what your getting with disney...

(6) Someone already stated that when they called the phone number that was registered for the website (i.e. New Mexico) that it was a number registered I believe in New Jersey. I maybe off here regarding the state, but basically the number you called wasn't in the area as the registered domain. The individual replied that they just moved states, which can look a little curious to the curious mind. Also, When they called nobody picked up the phone and there was no message regarding a business (i.e. You have reached company abc, unfortunately person xxx cannot answer phone please leave message at tone).

(7) The disboards account was created either the same day, or day after the website was created. The person may have another disboard account with numerous posts, but so many times before we have all seen someone doing trades that created an account that day, and the end result of that transaction. Just another eyebrow raiser if this business model has been around the past 8 months...Why not already have an account created and communicate your ideas way before vmk's announcement of closure?

(8) There are many forums dedicated to Virtual Magic Kingdom (disboards, vmkforums, vmkmagic, etc), and many moderators or site owners within this space have a solid background on Disney. Although these sites are all dedicated to our beloved Virtual Magic Kingdom, why wouldn't you contact these moderators/site owners about your virtual community venture. You could have provided them alpha (pre-beta) full access to your game for review before your beta release. You could have also established a conference call with the moderators/site owners of the most popular forums to better understand your business venture. This could have easily been completed and would have definitely quelled many of the concerns.

(9) The legal action that Disney may take upon this virtual world or business regarding copyright infringement. If any action is taken hopefully it will be resolved quickly, instead of a long drawn out legal battle. Long drawn out legal battles can exhaust small companies cash strapped funds, while large corporations such as Disney have plenty of cash on hand for a long drawn out battle. The concern I have is that this site maybe shutdown quickly if any legal action is taken, and never open again because of copyright infringement. Clearly, There is copyright infringement just from the images on the website. Companies like ebay removed VMK virtual items from listings because of the concern with digital copyrights, and possible lawsuits with the selling of these items since they make a sales commission. You can actually review ebay's rules and regulations around it to undertand it better. Just another example of why copyright infringement, especially digital rights are a serious concern.


(10) After registering yesterday with another email address, I haven't received any communication or response regarding they received my information. Typically, You receive responses from any online business within 24 hours even just a typical canned response. I have been waiting for well over 24 hours for any response stating my registration was received successfully. The site states that they will be communicating to their members later in may, but I have never seen where you don't receive a canned response even for a simple registration.


P.S. There where many posts on associated forum sites regarding ip tracing, which is a valid concern but really unwarrented for the most part. If your Internet Service Provider allows your ip address to be traced and provides your address location, name, phone, etc then you might want to switch Internet Service Providers. Also, This is completely against your consumer rights and legal action can be taken against the Internet Service Provider for releasing this information publicly. I wanted to squash this one before it becomes a concern...
 
And that is exactly why the moderators are urging caution on everyone's part.

I, too, joined that site, but have had no problems. I *did* encounter some problems when doing a google search on their name. Two responses that I clicked on were blocked by my computer because of a detected virus.

I hope your friend can get the computer problems resolved and join us back on VMK. :)
I got hit on this as well (the google search). I don't think it was the site but a site did prey on people looking for information about the site. So I say do be carefull in your search for the next thing. I fell for the oldest trick you need this to view content, not paying attention will cost you a few days battling. It can be particularly nasty to kill these things...Just be carefull.
 
Thanks, I hadn't seen this thread yet. I didn't know we weren't discussing that website. I guess I should've looked a little harder.
 
This needs a bump. Be aware we are taking this very seriously.
 
And what if this isn't a scam?

Then you made a fool of yourself?

Many other games have private servers that DON'T STEAL YOUR INFO

so one copy cat site gets flamed on? Real respectful
 
Well, I pre-registered, and so far, no spam, no hacks, no harm. They seem to already be concerned about the copyright issues, and the are now making the site more generic and less Disney-like.
 
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