Please do NOT go to Disney World if you (or your children) are sick

[disneycountrygirl]

Bravo to the original poster and all the others who are taking the high road and not going to the parks sick (as a dog - to clarify -cause we all know that's the level of illness anyone is talking about, and anything else is just arguing for the sake of arguing).

It's flat out rude to knowingly infect others. If you are out in public while you have a fever and very obvious symptoms of illness, you can pretty much count on infecting others.

A healthy mom of a toddler at our church died of H1N1. She was pregnant with her second, and they took her baby by Cesarean. She never got to meet her daughter as she was in a medically induced coma she never came out of. Now her 2 year old son and infant daughter are without a mommy.

I would just like to see the people on here who say they are going to the parks sick or not, dragging their sick kids to the park, to look her husband in the eye and say the smug, cocky, and rude things they are saying on here. The people exposing others very, very easily could be infecting someone who will have the same outcome as the lady at our church.

The thing is, you never have to see who you infect, and you never have to know, so you can just dismiss it as nothing, out of sight, out of mind. Of course you didn't infect anyone because it's EASY that way. You can minimize the facts and say it was ONLY 1000 people so odds are you didn't do any harm to anyone. But you cannot in any sort of capacity guarentee that. And that's why if you are very ill, you shouldn't go in public.

A tiny bit of decency could save someone's life or at the very least preserve someone's health who is NOT sick. Not to mention that people who are sick should be trying to get well themselves, not out walking miles, infecting people, and getting generally more run down.

 

[aubriee]

Bravo to the original poster and all the others who are taking the high road and not going to the parks sick (as a dog - to clarify -cause we all know that's the level of illness anyone is talking about, and anything else is just arguing for the sake of arguing).

It's flat out rude to knowingly infect others. If you are out in public while you have a fever and very obvious symptoms of illness, you can pretty much count on infecting others.

A healthy mom of a toddler at our church died of H1N1. She was pregnant with her second, and they took her baby by Cesarean. She never got to meet her daughter as she was in a medically induced coma she never came out of. Now her 2 year old son and infant daughter are without a mommy.

I would just like to see the people on here who say they are going to the parks sick or not, dragging their sick kids to the park, to look her husband in the eye and say the smug, cocky, and rude things they are saying on here. The people exposing others very, very easily could be infecting someone who will have the same outcome as the lady at our church.

The thing is, you never have to see who you infect, and you never have to know, so you can just dismiss it as nothing, out of sight, out of mind. Of course you didn't infect anyone because it's EASY that way. You can minimize the facts and say it was ONLY 1000 people so odds are you didn't do any harm to anyone. But you cannot in any sort of capacity guarentee that. And that's why if you are very ill, you shouldn't go in public.

A tiny bit of decency could save someone's life or at the very least preserve someone's health who is NOT sick. Not to mention that people who are sick should be trying to get well themselves, not out walking miles, infecting people, and getting generally more run down.

Very well said! I agree 100%. Sept 26th I was on an early morning flight to WDW. There was a family sitting in front of me (mom and two sick kids on the right and dad with another kid across the aisle from them on the left). All the way to Florida we heard the two kids just in front of us talk about how bad they felt. They were complaining of severe headaches, sore thoats, chills, feeling achy all over, and were coughing nonstop. Both were very pale, except for their bright red cheeks and nose. The mom kept telling them she'd give them some more Tylenol as soon as she could, but it was too soon. The dad leaned over across the aisle several times, telling them they'd feel better once they got to Disney World. It just so happened, that I saw them several days later in line just ahead of me at Test Track. The two younger kids still looked like death warmed over and the little girl (about 8 y/o) was begging to go back to the hotel, saying how bad she felt. By that time, the mom was also looking like she felt like crap. However, dad was still dragging the whole family around, infecting others as they went. I guess he didn't want to do the decent thing and keep his family home. Afterall a WDW vacation costs too much to cancel.

 

[RMulieri]

Very well said! I agree 100%. Sept 26th I was on an early morning flight to WDW. There was a family sitting in front of me (mom and two sick kids on the right and dad with another kid across the aisle from them on the left). All the way to Florida we heard the two kids just in front of us talk about how bad they felt. They were complaining of severe headaches, sore thoats, chills, feeling achy all over, and were coughing nonstop. Both were very pale, except for their bright red cheeks and nose. The mom kept telling them she'd give them some more Tylenol as soon as she could, but it was too soon. The dad leaned over across the aisle several times, telling them they'd feel better once they got to Disney World. It just so happened, that I saw them several days later in line just ahead of me at Test Track. The two younger kids still looked like death warmed over and the little girl (about 8 y/o) was begging to go back to the hotel, saying how bad she felt. By that time, the mom was also looking like she felt like crap. However, dad was still dragging the whole family around, infecting others as they went. I guess he didn't want to do the decent thing and keep his family home. Afterall a WDW vacation costs too much to cancel.

Holy Crap! ..I hope the entire plane enjoyed the dose of H1n1 that they were given, that is awful.,Simply appalling...Disney should run a special this season. "Buy 4 get 3 and a Free Dose of Flu too"

 

[Toad_Passenger]

Are you sure your children will not be able to go to the public school to get the vaccine? Here they are also planning on giving the vaccine at the public schools, but other eligible people will be able to receive it there whether or not they are students at the school (from what I understand).

From what I understand, that is what they're going to do in our school districts, also. Any private school that is within the district's boundaries will have the option of sending their students to the public school for their clinics.

Right now, the public clinics are running a VERY strict rule that the vaccine is only for pregnant women and children 5-9 years old. I guess the Elementary schools are getting hit harder than the high schools and pre-schools in the area. My DW is pregnant and she got the H1N1 shot over a week ago from her OB/GYN, they were only giving it to their pregnant patients.

DD, however, is too young for the current group, but supposedly there is another 200,000+ doses coming in.

 

[RMulieri]

Odd to hear that you couldn't get the vaccine. I live in SE, PA, not in Philadelphia, and our County is already holding 2 clinics, and the school districts already are administering the vaccine.

Nope, not a dose.I am close with one of the people that does the vaccine ordering.They have been begging and ordering, and NADA,Zippo, Zilch we haven't gotten a dose. We are supposed to have nasal mist this week, but it is being sent immediately to the Pediatric clinics, and there is not even remotely enough to vaccinate all the patients of the pediatric clinics.I know that another local area got a small shipment and people lined up overnight to wait to try and get a vaccine.They ran out in minutes.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

Nope, not a dose.I am close with one of the people that does the vaccine ordering.They have been begging and ordering, and NADA,Zippo, Zilch we haven't gotten a dose. We are supposed to have nasal mist this week, but it is being sent immediately to the Pediatric clinics, and there is not even remotely enough to vaccinate all the patients of the pediatric clinics.I know that another local area got a small shipment and people lined up overnight to wait to try and get a vaccine.They ran out in minutes.

We are still at least a week away from any doses. And only a few of us will qualify anyway. Hopefully mine were exposed a few weeks ago when my son was ill.

 

[Withacy]

Again, as a dutiful employee of the Department of Health & Human Services (though I am speaking for myself and NOT for the agency), I would like to remind everyone that:

1. The availability of H1N1 and seasonal flu vaccines varies greatly - and the rules that apply in one location will not necessarily be true in your area. DO NOT go by anecdotal comments here - or any other non-official website, even if it's in your community. Check for yourself.

2. One of the best places to check, after your own doctor, is the county health department. If they don't provide vaccines themselves (and many do), they may know where they are available, how large the supply is, and what the current priority rules are in your area.

3. PLEASE REMEMBER - taking your child out in public if they have this flu is not just a problem for the other people you might infect. It is endangering your child, because this flu taxes their immune system to such a great extent that it leaves them susceptible to infections and other viruses. It's important to keep someone with this flu isolated for their own protection as much as to protect anyone else from contracting it.

The best source of information about H1N1 is http://www.flu.gov/ - the government's official web site. It includes links to every state that will help you locate where vaccines are available.

Please go to the official web site for information before listening to anyone here (including me)!

 

[gib4]

It has been touched on in some previous posts so here is my idea...all three of our kids have asthma and as a result are coughing constantly. Sometimes it sounds worse than others but we do what we can to control it. Can you imagine the looks we'll get while we are there when all THREE are coughing together? I think I should get t-shirts made that say "Don't worry, we have asthma, not H1N1...now stop staring at me". What do you think of that?

One of my kids had H1N1-she came home from school on Monday and we didn't let her leave the house until the following Monday even though her fever broke Tuesday night! Extreme? Perhaps. But that stopped her from getting sick with anything else while she was already run down.

On another note, I will be packing an entire suitcase devoted to meds: Advair, albuterol, tylenol, motrin, etc.!!! Just to be on the safe side

My point is you can't assume someone is ill just because they are coughing or sneezing. I am going to hope for the best and plan for the worst-rest assured that if the "worst" hits us while we are there we'll be in our room and not in the parks.

 

[Withacy]

OH - also -

Get everyone a little bottle of hand santizer, and use it OFTEN! With kids, they need to use it especially often, since they're always touching things and touching their face.

And make sure it has alcohol in it. Seriously. The non-alcoholic/all natural stuff is crap. It's a joke.

Again - http://www.flu.gov/

 

[littleelvis]

It's attitudes like this that cause mandatory quarantines and closures of events, schools etc. You can't count on some people do do the right thing so the authorities have to step in..Some people choose to bury their head in the sand and are selfish enough to not care that they are spreading illness. I think this is not only callous, but despicable. No other word for it.

Yes, most will have a mild case, but some will have a serious one and may die. That's why things like H1N1 reach a pandemic level..because of dimwits who only think about themselves.

I don't seen the need for name calling!!!

Can you explain what the "right thing" is. I would like to see the facts that back up your statement: "It's attitudes like this that cause mandatory quarantines and closures of events, schools etc...." Simply not true

That is your opinion and what the media has led you to believe.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

what name calling? LOL, and the "right thing" would be the "thing" that does not knowingly spread a potentially dangerous bug.

Blaming the media is silly. Most of us know people who have suffered a lot from the current bug.

 

[ogreenlee]

I don't seen the need for name calling!!!

Can you explain what the "right thing" is. I would like to see the facts that back up your statement: "It's attitudes like this that cause mandatory quarantines and closures of events, schools etc...." Simply not true

That is your opinion and what the media has led you to believe.

Your opinion sounds like it comes from a hatred of media. If that media is Faux News, then I can agree with that, but there are a few decent sources of media in the world. Would you prefer we have no media at all?

 

[ajpa]

Odd to hear that you couldn't get the vaccine. I live in SE, PA, not in Philadelphia, and our County is already holding 2 clinics, and the school districts already are administering the vaccine.

I live in SE PA too but my dr is out of seasonal flu vaccine and hasn't got h1n1 in yet (ever?). None of the pharmacies I called actually has the seasonal flu vaccine -- all gone. They will put you on a waitlist. I called the county and they said call back on x day.
I should have gotten a shot way earlier -- like Sept, I think.

 

[Toad_Passenger]

I live in SE PA too but my dr is out of seasonal flu vaccine and hasn't got h1n1 in yet (ever?). None of the pharmacies I called actually has the seasonal flu vaccine -- all gone. They will put you on a waitlist. I called the county and they said call back on x day.
I should have gotten a shot way earlier -- like Sept, I think.

Yeah I got my seasonal shot back in September, like 2 days after they announced they were in. I only did it early because I knew I would eventually get the H1N1 vaccine, and didn't want to get too many shots at one time.

DD's pediatrician told us that appointments for seasonal shots are now extending into December! I can only imagine what's going to happen when they finally get their supply of H1N1. For all the bad press vaccines are getting, it certainly seems that most are STILL getting the H1N1 vax.

 

[DrRae2B]

See...

THIS is precisely the reason I am becoming a doctor, people!: because the general public cannot keep themselves healthy unless they are given the FACTs (and understand them!!).

Now... with that said, lets look at the FACTs (and not whatever our ears decide to filter out...):

As of October, H1N1 flu has caused approximately 100 CHILDREN to die (with 9 of those occurring this week). This is in comparison about 80 kids who die throughout the ENTIRETY of the average flu season. So, what does that mean (... those of you who think H1N1 is no worse than the "average" flu, listen up)? It means that more kids have already died from H1N1, as opposed to the number of kids who die from the "average" flu (and it's only October!). The reason is this: More people develop pulmonary complications from swine flu than the "normal" flu strain... There's something about this H1N1 that causes some peoples' lungs to go psycho. It's when the lungs fill with fluid that people begin to present with the pneumonia symptoms that the scary side of H1N1 rears it's head. And the scariest part is that we know relatively little about this virus (they only isolated and reconstructed the virus for lab study in 2005)-- we don't know why some people are getting sicker than others. This is the same strain of flu that killed so, so many people during the Spanish Influenza outbreak of 1918 (don't remember it in History? Look it up). It is DEFINITELY more serious. Guys, we are talking about a global pandemic influenza. In the words of Ming Ming, This is serious.

Now... on the other hand, do we need to all spazz out and coop ourselves up in a bubble till Spring? No way! Just get your facts straight and exercise COMMON SENSE. If you or your child begin to present flu-like symptoms, for God's sake don't take them out somplace and infect others!... get them promptly treated and then keep them isolated (or relatively so), until at least 2 days after fever disappears without Tylenol. Some people choose to get the vaccine and that is fine if that is your choice (I am still on the fence about it). I can say for myself that I will be watching my 3 year old like a hawk and taking some extra precautions this year (but not going overboard).

So I guess my rant is for this reason: I don't CARE how much MONEY you sunk into this trip!!-- There is FAR more at stake than a 5-thousand-dollar family vacation, people!! This flu spreads like wildfire and PEOPLE ARE DYING. Mothers and fathers are dying and leaving their kids confused and grieving. Parents are burying their children. Please please exercise some common sense. If you think you have the H1N1 virus, please stay at home until you are better.

(Sorry to get all worked up, but someone neeeded to...)

Thanks for listening to my over-the-top rant session.

 

[barbarabini]

I live in new jersey - northern NJ- and cannot find one blessed place that has the shot vaccine for H1N1. I think that the flu.gov site is a joke. In NJ, everywhere is TBD - to be determined - with a couple of towns tentatively scheduling clinics for November. However, because they are so few and far between, they are being inundated with requests from citizens around the state.

Also, cannot find a private ob in NJ that has requested and/or received the shot. I go to one of the larger practices in the northern part of the state and they didn't order it. Same with a lot of the pediatric practices.

I think that this is really ridiculous, considering that here is the chance to vaccinate a highly dense population (one of the most dense in the country) prior to a massive outbreak of the H1N1 flu.

And don't go to disney if you have the flu. Its contagious, no matter what you armchair doctors think and what rationalization you are using.

 

[ajpa]

Yeah, that's what I said. All those people who say they don't get vaccines -- I don't think they live near me at all.

 

[DrRae2B]

And don't go to disney if you have the flu. Its contagious, no matter what you armchair doctors think and what rationalization you are using.

Amen!! Good to see someone else has some decency and common sense!

 

[Toad_Passenger]

Amen!! Good to see someone else has some decency and common sense!

I believe I have decency and common sense, but I think I will listen to the diagnoses of my family doctors and pediatricians, and not someone typing on a forum. If they say we're good to go on vacation, even with some sniffles and sneezes, than I'm getting in the car!

I've said it countless times on this thread, everyone's situation is different, so you cannot put a "Do Not Enter" label on people so quickly.

 

[seashoreCM]

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