Plans for large scale terrorist attack in the U.S. are said to be 90% complete..

Originally posted by Brer_Papa

as one of the PA State troopers said to me after he was assigned as added security at the Kahkwa Club.."It's like taking the patrol cars off the street" in regards to Ridge being where he was..

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not a good comparison..patrol cars are supposed to be out looking for activity and stopping it...

Ridge is supposed to oversee people who do the work....

I'm sure this state trooper wouldn't accept being on duty 24/7...

a rather unprofessional remark for someone who was assigned such a duty..
 
Originally posted by soccerchick
This information was given to law enforcement and other agencies a while ago. It is just now getting out to the public.
I have to respectfully disagree with this statement.

And why the heck would President Bush want an announcement like this now, when it could impact summer travel and the economy? I am so frickin tired of all the conspiracy crap.
 
I also remember back around the Madrid attacks that the terrorists had their attack for the U.S. 90% complete. So, here we are almost three months later and it's still at 90%. This could be a ploy by the terrorists just to make us afraid and meanwhile they have nothing really planned in the near future. By saying their attack is 90% complete, they'll put fear into people, which is exactly their purpose. They don't even need to do anything and they can get people afraid.
 
for interesting take on all of this..read this article...

3rd terrorist




if people ignore the alert and don't keep their eyes wide open, we are in trouble....

for those skeptics who think the public can't help by being alert and observant, reporting suspicious activity..

I remind you of the DC snipers...they drove right thru numerous roadblocks, because evryone was looking for a white van...

but fortunately someone reported to men sleeping in a car,,,and they were captured.... ending a shooting/killing spree...
 

Originally posted by MICKEY88

oh and the press conference was coordinated...FBI was also there....


The FBI works for Ashcroft...glad he could get his own staff there.
 
Originally posted by KarenC
The FBI works for Ashcroft...glad he could get his own staff there.

my mistake...

sarcasm unneccessary and uncalled for

I didn't see the whole press conference but was told that Ridge was involved, and it was my understanding that Ridge is supposed to coordinate all the agencies/ and such but hadn't heard before that he had to make all press announcements..
 
Originally posted by MICKEY88
my mistake...

sarcasm unneccessary and uncalled for

I didn't see the whole press conference but was told that Ridge was involved, and it was my understanding that Ridge is supposed to coordinate all the agencies/ and such but hadn't heard before that he had to make all press announcements..

I apologize for the sarcasm...I do feel like we're being made to be very afraid and it's wearing on me.

Here's the first paragraph from a story in today's Washington Post. The story also indicates that the "news" Ashcroft shared was at least 6 weeks old.

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Some allies of the Department of Homeland Security within the Bush administration and members of Congress criticized Attorney General John D. Ashcroft yesterday for issuing terrorist threat warnings at a news conference on Wednesday, contending he failed to coordinate the information with the White House and with Homeland Security, which has the job of releasing threat warnings.

Here's the link to the whole story, which requires registration.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61742-2004May27.html
 
Originally posted by KarenC
I apologize for the sarcasm...I do feel like we're being made to be very afraid and it's wearing on me.

Here's the first paragraph from a story in today's Washington Post. The story also indicates that the "news" Ashcroft shared was at least 6 weeks old.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61742-2004May27.html

I don't think the intent is to scare us, just make us more aware, and I don't doubt that the news is 6 weeks old, but they can't tell us everything, law enforcement never reveals info during an investigation, it could compromise it... this is no different,, they have a tough job of balancing what we need to know and what should be kept secret for security reasons..
 
Originally posted by MICKEY88


also if they gave specifics, and people avoided such areas, nothing would happen since terrorists would expect the area to be well guarded, and then people would complain that the warning cost businesses money,

this way people should be alert....


Sounds to me that giving specifics would possibly deter an attack .... and if no attack cost people /businesses money at least they're still around to complain there was no attack....

and yes,everybody deserves time away from work....even Tom Ridge...but during an elevated alert level that HE called?
 
Originally posted by Brer_Papa
Sounds to me that giving specifics would possibly deter an attack .... and if no attack cost people /businesses money at least they're still around to complain there was no attack....

and yes,everybody deserves time away from work....even Tom Ridge...but during an elevated alert level that HE called?

the problem is. if they were to say a pro baseball game..no one would go, terrorists would do nothing..the terrorists could then start chatter naming events on a daily basis and we would be hostage to our homes.. they probably don't have specifics as to exact location..just general ideas as to type of attack, or just times...the terrorist are smart enough to use codewords..
 
in addition..lets say they put out the word that it's airlines or trains, people avoid for extended periods..businesses go bankrupt and close...terrorists win....
 
then help me out here...what is the point of the 9/11 Commission hearings?

I thought it was to find out who knew what and when....and ultimately what should have been done...

so...if there is specifics that are known...shouldn't the public be told?

1 other point....when the terror alert levels were elevated from yellow to orange....some cities and municiplaities complained that added security measures added costs they had to pay for.....

I will never accept that money is more important than human life...if we start believing that...then the terrorists win...
 
Originally posted by Brer_Papa
then help me out here...what is the point of the 9/11 Commission hearings?

I thought it was to find out who knew what and when....and ultimately what should have been done...

so...if there is specifics that are known...shouldn't the public be told?

1 other point....when the terror alert levels were elevated from yellow to orange....some cities and municiplaities complained that added security measures added costs they had to pay for.....

I will never accept that money is more important than human life...if we start believing that...then the terrorists win...
I don't think they ever had enough info to have stopped 9/11..perhaps if info had been shared they might have been able to stop some of the people by detaining them but I don't think anyone had specific info..

oddly enough as much as people are blasting the french, there's a french judge that was tracking al quaida for years and had a lot of names and info, that he aquired in a raid in france...he had the names of the terrorist that was stopped crossing the border from canada, on his way to LA airport to bomb it new years eve 1999/2000 ,

when 9/11 happened he contacted the FBI and gave us a ton of info that allowed us to move quickly on the cells in Germany and such..our people didn't piece things together that quickly on their own..

I don't think they have anything specific enough now , to give that type of alert..



human life is definitely more important than money, however you point out the problem...local and state governments can't afford all the extra security when the alert level is raised, that's why they can't raise it starting now thru the entire summer, it would bankrupt many government agencies..and if the federal government would try to fund it all for that long a period of time, it would severely cripple our financial standing, which is part of what the terrorists want, to disrupt the finacnes of the US..

so the US gov. is between a rock and a hard place....
 
What I find amazing (insert sarcasm here) is that we can hear chatter or see/read things terrorists say about the plans that say they are 90% complete.

Some terrorist, somewhere, said plans were 90% complete. To whom? Where was this heard or seen? If our intelligence picked this up, and it's supposedly good intelligence, what is the explanation that they didn't hear about specifics.

Why are they not chattering about what the plans are?

We only have access to percentage info?

Give me a break. It's a ploy to frighten. I'm not saying we shouldn't be vigilant, but it's a ploy to frighten.

And let me tell you, if the government knows where this is going to happen and isn't telling us because they don't want people to stop going to these places....that's just insane. What kind of logic is that? Okay, let's not say anything, let's not lose business, let's just watch them die.

I don't think so.
 
Originally posted by CRB#33
What I find amazing (insert sarcasm here) is that we can hear chatter or see/read things terrorists say about the plans that say they are 90% complete.

Some terrorist, somewhere, said plans were 90% complete. To whom? Where was this heard or seen? If our intelligence picked this up, and it's supposedly good intelligence, what is the explanation that they didn't hear about specifics.

Why are they not chattering about what the plans are?

We only have access to percentage info?

Give me a break. It's a ploy to frighten. I'm not saying we shouldn't be vigilant, but it's a ploy to frighten.

And let me tell you, if the government knows where this is going to happen and isn't telling us because they don't want people to stop going to these places....that's just insane. What kind of logic is that? Okay, let's not say anything, let's not lose business, let's just watch them die.

I don't think so.

the problem is..many plans may have been put in place as much as a decade ago..hence the term sleeper cells... they patiently built up a worldwide network before doing anything..

thus no need to discuss specifics, or code is used... as for the 90% several people in this thread mentioned where that number came from..it was info found at the madrid bombing...

do you think if our special ops are on a mission they discuss specifics over the radio..

read my last post it explains the lack of specifics and the reason for general alert....

and if they were more specific with alerts, people didn't go to places...places lost money, they'd be angry with the government.... if they lost enough money they'd close..after enough businesses close,, there is no tax money coming in...no tax money,,no government funding.. eventually the us is bankrupt...... this situation is not nearly as simple to deal with as many people like to believe...

OK..believe it's a ploy to frighten...so were the alerts about the DC snipers....nothing more than a ploy to frighten.....

it's just coincidence that these alerts, inspired a non conspiracy believing , citizen to report something suspicious that led to the capture and arrest of the snipers...



I must agree with the preious poster who is sick of conspiracy theories...if our government is so evil, and our country so bad, why do people live here rather than moving to whatever fantasy country they think is better...
 
These warnings are not to scare us but to make us aware. I appreciate the warnings and reminders to be on alert. We shouldn't live in fear and we should go about our regular routine but be more aware and alert.

The government can't win. They tell us there's a viable threat and it's a political ploy or a fear tactic, then if they don't say anything (because they don't have enough info yet) and something does happen those same people who thought it was a ploy and a un-necessary warning would want Bush's head on a platter for not warning us.

I don't think terrorist chatter works the way some of you think. Through many different means they get pieces of a puzzle but not every piece. The terrorists would never be specific. The chatter would just increase and we might catch that an attack is coming but I doubt it would ever be specifics. For them to have many reliable sources that they were at 70% ready and then a few months later it's at 90% that's pretty scary to me and I, for one, am very glad for any info they can pass on to us. I know they get a lot every single day and they only burden us with stuff that has been heard in several different ways before they come out with it.

They are probably waiting to raise the level because they just don't have enough information to warrant it yet. It does cost every single state more money when the level goes up. Of course, they should raise it with more information, but I guess they aren't ready to yet. Then if they do raise it and nothing happens for awhile and it goes back done, everyone complains again. I am VERY happy when it goes back down. I think, great they didn't attack us this time.

I think they need to remind us every once in awhile to be alert and on guard. These people hate us and WILL attack again so we need to keep our eyes and ears open. Maybe we can prevent the next attack by being alert. Maybe by them coming on TV and making these announcements, the announcement themselves can change the terrorists' minds about that pending attack.

I'm all for whatever it takes to prevent another attack.

I'm not sure what some people want.:confused: You don't want to know of any threats or info the government might have? You don't want them to tell us what they know UNLESS its exact details? Well, that's not going to happen unless somehow they capture a terrorist right before the attack by some stroke of luck or maybe by a very alert American who sees something.

Let's face it, things are different. They'll never be the same, sadly. I think the government is trying their darnest not to have another 9/11, why wouldn't they? I wouldn't want to be in their shoes with all the people second guessing them and trying to blame them for every thing or complaining that their doing too little or that they shouldn't warn us...I want to be warned and reminded. I want to know that the government is working on terrorism every single day and trying to prevent it however they possibly can.

So you only want to be warned with credible evidence of an exact attack with where, when and how it will happen? That's just not going to happen. I'll take what they can give me though.

Sorry for rambling but I get so frustated with all the negative replies to the terrorist attack warnings.:rolleyes:

I did hear on the news yesterday that they (terrorists) may be focusing on the NorthEast Railroads. Too scary. My DH works in Boston and takes the train in everyday and my sister takes the train in every day from PA to NY. Scary stuff.

God bless America and God bless all our troops all over the world and all Americans all over the world.:sad1:
 
Originally posted by beattyfamily
These warnings are not to scare us but to make us aware. I appreciate the warnings and reminders to be on alert. We shouldn't live in fear and we should go about our regular routine but be more aware and alert.

The government can't win. They tell us there's a viable threat and it's a political ploy or a fear tactic, then if they don't say anything (because they don't have enough info yet) and something does happen those same people who thought it was a ploy and a un-necessary warning would want Bush's head on a platter for not warning us.


So you only want to be warned with credible evidence of an exact attack with where, when and how it will happen? That's just not going to happen. I'll take what they can give me though.

Sorry for rambling but I get so frustated with all the negative replies to the terrorist attack warnings.:rolleyes:



God bless America and God bless all our troops all over the world and all Americans all over the world.:sad1:

well stated....... they're darned if they do and darned if they don't

I thought of one way they could make us as safe as possible... activate the national guard and all law enforcement..
go door to door rounding everyone up..implant a tracking device in each person so they can track all of us, and in the process of doing so, deport all non citizens...


now wouldn't that stir people up,,,there goes our freedom....LOL


people want to be protected, but they don't want to give up any freedoms,,, the gov. should find all terrorists, but don't dare investigate anyone unless you already know for fact they are a terrorist...HMMMMMMMm sounds so simple...
 
Originally posted by DukeStreetKing
So if we know the plans are 90% complete, then we must know what the plans are. If we know what the plans are, we can stop them. So what's the problem?

:worried:

I am so glad someone else questions this. If we are receiving information specific enough to know the percentage of the plan being complete, then why don't we know what the plan is and where.

I just don't understand how we can know so much to know so little.
 
Originally posted by Sammie
I am so glad someone else questions this. If we are receiving information specific enough to know the percentage of the plan being complete, then why don't we know what the plan is and where.

I just don't understand how we can know so much to know so little.

Seems so simple to me. They talk in riddles they don't give obvious info. Knowing a percentage but not details seems possible to me.
 
If we know so much about the terrorists and their plans of attack.....why the heck can't we just CATCH them!!!???:rolleyes:
 


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