Pixie Hollow id Dead!!!!

OK, that's a new one on me...the rumors of the sinkhole I remember will all around the problems with Horizons, and I'm not sure they were ever confirmed.

There was not a sinkhole under Horizons. There is one under Energy that is mitigated (aka: water pumped in, sinkholes collapse when the water goes away) and the one that became the lake Odyssey and the bridges are suspended over.
 
I hope it is not the POTC make over as well Pirates from the Carribean don't fit in the American Frontier.

Agreed, Pirates belong firmly in Adventureland, not on Tom Sawyer's Island.

Not everything in WDW has to be monetised at the expense of theme and storytelling.

Andre
 
There was not a sinkhole under Horizons. There is one under Energy that is mitigated (aka: water pumped in, sinkholes collapse when the water goes away) and the one that became the lake Odyssey and the bridges are suspended over.

Correct. That's why the link between Future World and World Showcase is rather longer than it might otherwise need to be.

Andre
 
To those talking about how Fantasyland is very girl-centric.

To be honest, that argument never really washed with me anyway - if you break it down, the boys already have Adventureland, Frontierland and mostly Tomorrowland too - so what if the girls have most of Fantasyland? Just as long as we boys can still have Peter Pan's Flight! :)

Andre
 

To be honest, that argument never really washed with me anyway - if you break it down, the boys already have Adventureland, Frontierland and mostly Tomorrowland too - so what if the girls have most of Fantasyland? Just as long as we boys can still have Peter Pan's Flight! :)

Andre

No one is complaining about Mermaid of the BatB restaurant - it's the glorification of meet/greets, coloring with crayons, and other ridiculous non-attractions as attractions that has people upset.

Everyone is going to ride Mermaid; boy, girl or other. Hardly anyone aside from a little girl who want to meet Cinderella is going to want to sit and color with her.

The boy/girl thing is really a red herring for a bigger problem - trying to fill the space cheaply with what is essentially crap. It's exactly why Maliboomer at DCA is being torn down with no replacement.

"Nothing" really is better then "crap."
 
And for the folks who say there needs to be something for little girls who only want to sit and color with their favorite princess...

I know people who like the taste of paste. Like kindergarten craptastic comes in a plastic tub paste.

Should we open a paste-based restaurant in Epcot to accommodate those people?
 
And for the folks who say there needs to be something for little girls who only want to sit and color with their favorite princess...

I know people who like the taste of paste. Like kindergarten craptastic comes in a plastic tub paste.

Should we open a paste-based restaurant in Epcot to accommodate those people?

I couldn't help but laugh at that. Now the only question is...where will it fit? :rolleyes:
 
When did Disney actually announce Beastly Kingdom? As far as I know that's one of Jim Hill's. The closest it came to announcement was some surveys asking questions along the line of attending such a park - and even then I think they downgraded and renamed it Jungle Trek - and THAT might still see some life in the nighttime safari ride.

But yes, they did announce various things...I can think of at least three DVC resorts that were announced and never built...which is why the DC project could still get the axe.

You are thinking of Nightly Kingdom...

Beastly kingdom was a land in DAK. It was part of the original design and was supposed to represent fantasy animals... Hence the dragon in the original. It was cut due to overruns and camp Mickey-Minnie was built in it's place. I've always heard that the camp was supposed tobe temp. But obviously that hasn't happened.
 
When did Disney actually announce Beastly Kingdom? As far as I know that's one of Jim Hill's. The closest it came to announcement was some surveys asking questions along the line of attending such a park - and even then I think they downgraded and renamed it Jungle Trek - and THAT might still see some life in the nighttime safari ride.

But yes, they did announce various things...I can think of at least three DVC resorts that were announced and never built...which is why the DC project could still get the axe.

You are thinking of Nightly Kingdom...

Beastly kingdom was a land in DAK. It was part of the original design and was supposed to represent fantasy animals... Hence the dragon in the original. It was cut due to overruns and camp Mickey-Minnie was built in it's place. I've always heard that the camp was supposed tobe temp. But obviously that hasn't happened.

There are a few things surrounding Beastly Kingdom. When they did survey testing for Animal Kingdom, it was the land devoted to mythical animals that was most intriguing to guests. When they built the park, a decision had to be made, do we make the land devoted to Dinosaurs, or do we make the land devoted to Mythical Animals. The other would have been left for the Phase 2 expansion. Eisner loved synergy so he opted for Dinoland USA and Countdown to Extinction. This allowed cross promotion for the animated movie "Dinosaur" to appear in both the Discovery River Boats and Countdown to Extinction/Dinosaur.

Originally the Discovery River Boats was going to feature mythical animals, but budgets were cut as Disney felt obligated to have top notch backstage facilities for the animals, and that saw several things get cut.

Part of the plan when Animal Kingdom was to open new attractions at the other 3 parks as well, so vacations would be extended instead of Animal Kingdom just taking attendance away from the other parks. This was doe when MGM opened with Norway, Wonders of Life, and Mickey's Birthdayland opening around the same time. For the '98 Animal Kingdom opening the plan was for Test Track in Epcot, David Copperfield's Magic Underground in MGM, and something else (possibly Fire or Bald Mountain, but I don't think that timeline is correct) in the Magic Kingdom. Of course Test Track was delayed and David Copperfield's Magic Underground didn't happen, so the attendance in the other parks dropped significantly. Disney panicked and canceled/delayed the phase 2 expansion.

Fast forward to the opening of Islands of Adventure. Disney developed an aggressive plan of attack to "respond". Mission: Space was going to come to Epcot, they were going to revamp The Great Movie Ride, an addition was to be made to the Magic Kingdom (this may have actually been where Fire/Bald Mountain fit in), and the Animal Kingdom was going to get Beastly Kingdom. However, Islands of Adventure opened, and it took attendance away from Universal Studios but not Disney. So this aggressive plan wasn't necessary, so they spread it out/canceled aspects of it.

They also sent some top execs (including Eisner I believe) to Islands of Adventure to "scout it out". They were impressed, but they also noticed that Dueling Dragons was somewhat similar to Dragon Challenge, the coaster planned for Beastly Kingdom (which hadn't been canceled up to this point). Several of the Imagineers that worked on Beastly Kingdom found their way over to Universal Creative, and the idea for a Dragon themed roller coaster found it's way over with them. At this point, Beastly Kingdom was more or less canceled. It didn't matter that Disney came up with the idea first, or even that Dragon Challenge was to have more on ride theming than Dueling Dragons. Dueling Dragons opened first, so it would be Disney that would be perceived as copying Universal.

It's a shame, because Beastly Kingdom was fascinating, but it really was the Dragon Challenge roller coaster that would have been the big ride for that area. Couple that with a better Discovery River Boats, and the scope of the park would have been different. Perhaps had it opened with Beastly Kingdom, Dinosaur would never have been built and we would be having this same discussion about Dinosaur/Excavator not being built because of the Jurassic Park land over at Islands of Adventure.

Beastly Kingdom and Epcot were referenced in the book "The making of Disney's Animal Kingdom Theme Park" (by Melody Malmberg) which was available on the opening day of the Animal Kingdom.

As for Night Kingdom, that project definitely existed. Jay Rasulo loved the idea, and it was in the wake of Discovery Cove. While I'm not anticipating this, I wouldn't be shocked if the plans for this get dusted off in a decade. It appeared as rumor on various boards, but Jim Hill was the first to definitively give details on it.
 
And for the folks who say there needs to be something for little girls who only want to sit and color with their favorite princess...

I know people who like the taste of paste. Like kindergarten craptastic comes in a plastic tub paste.

Should we open a paste-based restaurant in Epcot to accommodate those people?

If enough people want to eat paste, let them eat paste. Then maybe it'll be easier for me to get a reservation where I want to eat.
 
If enough people want to eat paste, let them eat paste. Then maybe it'll be easier for me to get a reservation where I want to eat.

That's not how it works - they will tear down the place you want to eat and replace it with Cafe Paste.

Some seem to forget that 20KLUTS was an attraction.
 
You are thinking of Nightly Kingdom...

Whoops, yes...I WAS thinking Nightly Kingdom. Although I'm not sure Beastly Kingdom was necessarily made public, although it was in the plans...
 
Whoops, yes...I WAS thinking Nightly Kingdom. Although I'm not sure Beastly Kingdom was necessarily made public, although it was in the plans...

See my post above. I don't think either were officially announced, but Beastly Kingdom was in several promotional materials for the park.

Night Kingdom didn't make it that far, but it was definitely in the works.
 
When did Disney actually announce Beastly Kingdom? As far as I know that's one of Jim Hill's. The closest it came to announcement was some surveys asking questions along the line of attending such a park - and even then I think they downgraded and renamed it Jungle Trek - and THAT might still see some life in the nighttime safari ride.

But yes, they did announce various things...I can think of at least three DVC resorts that were announced and never built...which is why the DC project could still get the axe.

You are thinking of Nightly Kingdom...

Beastly kingdom was a land in DAK. It was part of the original design and was supposed to represent fantasy animals... Hence the dragon in the original. It was cut due to overruns and camp Mickey-Minnie was built in it's place. I've always heard that the camp was supposed tobe temp. But obviously that hasn't happened.

Yes, Beastly Kingdom wa to be a land of dragons and unicorns and the like. I can't remember where I read about it originally. It might actually be in a book I have. I might've googled it too. LOL! I just remember talk about it and it was to part of a second phase of buidling.
 
I remember mention of the Beastly Kindgom in one of the vacation videos when discussing that Disney was opening Animal Kingdom. They briefly discussed the different lands to be present.
 
Getting back to Pixie Hollow, I'm disappointed that it might not be a reality. My 5 yr. old Boy/Girl Twins became obsessed with Tink and the Fairies after seeing Peter Pan and then the Tink movies last year. My son likes to wear his sister's Tink (and princess costumes), as well as, his Peter Pan costume and Terence shirt I made for him. I've watched the 2 current movies a zillion times and read a few of the storybooks. If planned thoughtfully, the area could be a great playground, meet and greet, and interactive experience. If you've seen the Tink movies or read the Fairy storybooks, there are some elements that could be some cute attractions. Quick ideas are, main meet n' greet at the Pixie Dust tree (with fiber optic technology in the branches and leaves that makes the tree occasionally rain pixie dust), Tinker's Nook where you could create a light up wand/sceptre with "lost things" and "magic stones" (similar idea to Sid's Create a toy at DQ) with interaction from Fairy Mary and Clank and Bobble, a Tea Room (from the storybooks) that serves delicious desserts and treats, a nice themed counter service eatery similar to France's patisserie. Perhaps a dark ride similar to Peter Pan using Tink's balloon from "Lost Treasure" and featuring storyline from "Lost Treasure, " Fairy Rescue, " and in production "Winter Story." Photos and stills of the areas in Pixie Hollow are so beautiful and enchanting. Tink and friends will be around for awhile with 4 animated features and a live action movie. If the imagineers dig a little deeper into the films and storybooks they can create an area that is magical and can appeal to everyone.
 
I'd have to disagree about the fairies not apealing to a large age group. Even teens like the fairies, and personally I love Tink AND Rosetta, and I'm not 5. I think PH would be a lovely edition, and WILL last quite a while, especially with movies still being planned for the future. I'm not the only person I know who will be buying every movie and video game.
 
I'd have to disagree about the fairies not apealing to a large age group. Even teens like the fairies, and personally I love Tink AND Rosetta, and I'm not 5. I think PH would be a lovely edition, and WILL last quite a while, especially with movies still being planned for the future. I'm not the only person I know who will be buying every movie and video game.

You 95% of people love Tink don't kid your self this francise is all about Tink. The number of people like you is a lot smaller than you think.
 
I'd have to disagree about the fairies not apealing to a large age group. Even teens like the fairies, and personally I love Tink AND Rosetta, and I'm not 5. I think PH would be a lovely edition, and WILL last quite a while, especially with movies still being planned for the future. I'm not the only person I know who will be buying every movie and video game.

I don't know how popular the fairies are -- but Disney does. The fairy franchised has been monetized over the past couple of years with toys, DVDs, books, clothes etc. So any decision Disney makes will be based on those numbers... if those things aren't reaching certain sales targets, Disney won't be making Pixie Hollow and/or other fairy attractions -- no matter how many people say they love Tink/Rosetta/etc on message boards.
 


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